[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by Mustafa Jihad2

If the word Ball has dirty connotations for you then the problem is in your mind. A ball is just a ball ��

I was referring to the flat earth model. A Quarter with a dome and the sun and the moon floating like balls. This is what the flat earth movement has done to you:

“And not an atom’s weight in the earth or in the sky escapeth your Lord, nor what is less than that or greater than that, but it is (written) in a clear Book” (Satanism 10:61)

Secular science does not claim the world is a globe. The idiots believe it is an oblate spheroid. You people really need to get your ducks in a row.

Jesus wins again.

YIC

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Mustafa Jihad2

Ok fine. Its … a ball.

I'm disregarding the other stuff because it's all presented without evidence. As the last post makes clear, we do actually know what the secularists claim.

And as I'd hope by now is also clear, we do actually know what God has revealed in The Bible. I would like to point out that no-one here is part of “the the flat earth movement” which implies a movement away from some established position or, alternatively, towards a new (and not yet established or even well defined) perspective. That is not the case for anyone who accepts The Bible.

In the simplest terms,

1. God made everything
   God made the universe
   • God made everything in. the universe
   
   
2. God made the world and everything in it
   The Earth, The Sky and The Oceans are all made by God
   • therefore God knows everything about. these things
   • otherwise He couldn't have made. them
   
   
3. God has told us some of what He knows
   
   
4. Evidence from God himself is incompatible with ball shaped worlds.

For the first two items I've included alternative wording for the convenience of secular enquirers who may be more familiar with those words. It all amounts to the same thing. Christians are neither part of a movement away from agnostic cosmology nor beholden to any effort seeking to overturn the status quo within it.

For some time the irreligious turn up here making all sorts of claims, some of them relating to cosmology, but what do they bring in the way of evidence? Nothing that cannot be refuted with a single sentence. Quite apart from that, their models fail to account for actual observations made and recorded across millennia which I doubt they're even aware of. Before making a decision I read up on the topic using reliable sources, make observations myself if appropriate, compare different sources and so on. No-one has to agree with me but when looking for a rebuttal surely it's essential to check out the sources I (or anyone else) have used?

I think that about covers it. If the four point outline is still opaque I can simplify it a bit.