[Shadoe_Hare]

I could give you all the evidence you wanted, go through the Bible word-for-word, post until my fingers bled, even make crayon drawings so you could understand everything, but it wouldn't matter so why should I bother?&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>I wasn't giving opinions, I was stating what it says in the Bible, but put simply so certain people here could understand.<br><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;You, like most everyone else here, just want to misconstrue the&nbsp; word of God to give yourselves a free pass,thinking you can do whatever you want without any consequences, that God won't punish you, but He can. If you truly read the Bible you'd know this.</div></div>

[Shadoe_Hare]

In regards about your question as to if I thought it was, or was not, okay to give little girls away to grown men: No, I do not believe that's okay, and if I had proof of someone actually doing that here, or any other child abuse, I would turn it in to law enforcement.

The opinions I gave weren't opinions. They were statements from the Bible, only put simply so certain people could understand them. I'm not sure which Bible you're reading...a children's one, perhaps?


As for the other, I could post until my fingers bled, go over the Bible with you word-for-word, and even make crayon drawings so you could understand everything, but it wouldn't matter so why should I bother?


You and most people here seem intent on misquoting the Bible, twisting meanings and parables so that they fit into your own agenda, to do whatever you want in life and think you won't have to answer to God, but in the end you will.


If you truly read the Bible you'd know this.

[Roland]

Originally Posted by Shadoe_Hare

In regards about your question as to if I thought it was, or was not, okay to give little girls away to grown men: No, I do not believe that's okay, and if I had proof of someone actually doing that here, or any other child abuse, I would turn it in to law enforcement.

That would be the obvious thing to do. I would do that too.

The opinions I gave weren't opinions. They were statements from the Bible, only put simply so certain people could understand them. I'm not sure which Bible you're reading...a children's one, perhaps?

That is not how it works here. The True Christians™ seem to prefer literal quotes and the verse where it came from provided. And they want you to use the KJV.

As for the other, I could post until my fingers bled, go over the Bible with you word-for-word, and even make crayon drawings so you could understand everything, but it wouldn't matter so why should I bother?

The people here are not asking for crayon drawings, they are asking for Bible verses. If you are a Christian that should be your source. I can make some pretty nice crayon drawings by the way, handmaiden makes some nice art too.

You and most people here seem intent on misquoting the Bible, twisting meanings and parables so that they fit into your own agenda, to do whatever you want in life and think you won't have to answer to God, but in the end you will.

If you truly read the Bible you'd know this.

Well, you can always prove them wrong by quoting the Bible.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Shadoe_Hare

...I wasn't giving opinions, I was stating what it says in the Bible...

You're the one who hasn't been quoting any Bible.


None of the True Christians™ have a problem with the "thee"s and "thou"s of the KJV, so whip out the 1611 Authorized if you want to. Several can go even back to the Koine, Hebrew, and Aramaic of the source materials, if you really want to get academic.


You want to claim the True Christians™ don't follow the Bible? Fine, cite the specific verse, and explain how they violate it. Don't "well, the Bible says..." and then only give us your flawed paraphrase of a semi-forgotten passage and mumblings from some apologetic who denies what basic English words mean.

[Roland]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much

Don't "well, the Bible says..." and then only give us your flawed paraphrase of a semi-forgotten passage and mumblings from some apologetic who denies what basic English words mean.

Hi Didymus Much,

I wonder if they are giving atheist a hard time or if they are just as stupid as me.

[handmaiden]

Originally Posted by Shadoe_Hare

In regards about your question as to if I thought it was, or was not, okay to give little girls away to grown men: No, I do not believe that's okay, and if I had proof of someone actually doing that here, or any other child abuse, I would turn it in to law enforcement.

Would you involve law enforcement if you saw a man poised with a dagger at the throat of his son? Because then you would be interfering with The Lord's Will in teaching an important lesson.

Genesis 22: 1-19
And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And He said, Take now thy son, thine only son Issac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will thee of. And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Issac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him. Then on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off. And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you. And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Issac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together. And Issac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? And Abraham said, My son, God will provide Himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together. And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Issac his son, and laid him on the alter upon the wood. And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.

The opinions I gave weren't opinions. They were statements from the Bible, only put simply so certain people could understand them. I'm not sure which Bible you're reading...a children's one, perhaps?

Much of what you have written has been your opinion on different matters including your take on the Bible. You have also attempted to be glib and clever regarding the whole Furry issue.

As for the other, I could post until my fingers bled

That's hyperbole, used to cast yourself in the role of the long-suffering hero enduring slings and arrows.

. . . go over the Bible with you word-for-word,

But you haven't gone over the Bible word-for-word, have you? Not for yourself, not in an attempt to live it out in your daily life.

and even make crayon drawings so you could understand everything, but it wouldn't matter so why should I bother?

Friend, you are the one defending the practice of dressing up in plush toy animal costumes, and you are trying to imply that we are the childish ones in this exchange?

You and most people here seem intent on misquoting the Bible,

Misquoting? No. We are directly quoting the actual words and it appears to be making you unhappy.

. . . twisting meanings and parables so that they fit into your own agenda,

Every new flavor of Christianity invented in the past two millennia starts with that accusation. "You guys are wrong and we're right because the Bible really says . . ."

to do whatever you want in life and think you won't have to answer to God, but in the end you will.

This is you, basically admitting that you can't make an effective stand for your ideas by drawing from the actual Bible so it's time to say, "Sic 'em, Jesus! Go get those meanies who are making me look stupid." If only The Lord would oblige you by sending some (non-Furry) animals:

2 Kings 2:23-24

And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood and tare forty and two children of them.

If you truly read the Bible you'd know this.

We have read the Bible, which is what is frustrating you to no end. And before I leave you, I would like to share the words written by a man who was committed to The Lord and the service of His church.

1 Corinthians 13:11

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Originally Posted by Shadoe_Hare

The opinions I gave weren't opinions. They were statements from the Bible, only put simply so certain people could understand them.

Which "certain people" did you have in mind? If you are thinking of children, you will obviously be aware from reading the terms and conditions of this forum that people under the age of 18 are not permitted to register.

You and most people here seem intent on misquoting the Bible

That is a blatant lie, and you know it.
Proverbs 19:9 - A false witness shall not be unpunished, And he that speaketh lies shall perish.

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Shadoe_Hare

I'm not even going to bother explaining it. You guys would contradict an Archbishop, and probably even Jesus.

As far as I'm aware, bishops are a type of priest. The priesthood came to an end when Jesus was crucified. Quite apart from the idiotic hats and lugubrious robes, I would probably contradict them, yes. "Probably" suggests there could be some category of bishop not deserving of being questioned and of course even cannibals are kind to one another so the gentlest of bishops still needs to be challenged on his theology.

Matthew 27:50-54

Archbishops must be like super bishops and merit super responses. Which brings us to Jesus. Whatever the fad this week, whom we should hate is spelled out by Jesus. What notable absences can you spot in Christ's list?

[handmaiden]

Originally Posted by Shadoe_Hare

I'm not even going to bother explaining it. You guys would contradict an Archbishop, and probably even Jesus.

1 Timothy 3:2

A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach

Titus 1:7

For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God, not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre


Above is a sampling of the few mentions of the word, "bishop" in the Bible. Archbishops are never mentioned. Any church with a hierarchal structure that includes such personages is not based on a Biblically directed commission.

[MitzaLizalor]

Thank you for that Scripture. I was particularly struck by

Titus 1:7g ..not given to filthy lucre

Hoping not to seem insensitive, the price of gold can be found elsewhere and anyone used to costume design (or fancy embroidery) knows the value cost of gold wire thread. The episcopacy also has a particular taste preference in fabric; if I wore anything like that I'd probably be carted off in a straight jacket – but for a stage robot? Ideal.

• • • • •

Which brings us to the bling. God calls it filthy lucre, and zany rods aren't new. Before e-devices existed or lasers or flintlocks, liars had fancy-looking poles sufficiently complicated to suggest they might do something – and if they also had access to fudged expositions backed up by filthy lucre, they could get ignorant masses (taught from the pulpit) to do anything. Now we have the result.

[RIGHT] How potent would this thing look to a stone age savage?

And how rare: gold.

From antiquity these crooks have existed, adding each matchstick to their edifice day by day and year by year and century..

but then you're dead.

That thing to the right deceived millions as it must now continue to deceive for all but those willing to investigate The Truth.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor

...From antiquity these crooks have existed, adding each matchstick to their edifice day by day and year by year and century...

Now I'm confused. Are you talking about the staves or the guys holding them?

[Shadoe_Hare]

Yes, I would call the cops on a man holding a dagger to his son's throat. Not doing so would be just plain stupid. It's child abuse and endangerment.



About Furries, and fun, in general:
Ecclesiastes 9:10
Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might,for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which youare going.

[Shadoe_Hare]

About Furries, and fun in general:


Ecclesiastes 9:10
Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might, for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.


(Dumbed down version: There is nothing wrong having fun, even if you're a furry.)



About supposedly not being able to sin :


1 John 3:9, NIV: "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God."



Basically, John's advice is actually being targeted specifically at believers. In particular, that there is no excuse for sin in the life of a believer. Grace is a not a license to sin. Those who sin without remorse, conviction, or change have no relationship with Christ whatsoever. But even a saved Christian has to choose good over evil.


In the verse, the emphasis is on the one "born of God." God lives in the believer and the believer can therefore no longer live the same life as prior to becoming God's child.


Though believers continue to sin, they will be changed more into the likeness of Christ.


God's children are expected to reflect his characteristics to some degree. Again, the emphasis is not on perfection, but likeness. An unchanged person is not a true believer.
A true believer cannot help but live differently because God lives within them.


(Dumbed down version: If you believe in God you should try not to sin. You can still sin because you are human. Even though Christ died for us, we still need to confess to God any sins we do so He can forgive us.)


On Child abuse:


Proverbs 13:24, NIV: "Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them."




Basically, this is the origin of the infamous English phrase "spare the rod, spoil the child." That paraphrase is usually quoted in defense of corporal punishment: the use of spanking or other physical means of discipline. In literal terms, this verse is a reference to corporal punishment. It is not, however, only about physical discipline. Nor is it meant to justify forms of discipline that cross the line into abuse.


(Dumbed down version: It's not okay to hit your kids, especially with razor straps, paddles, belts, switches, give them black eyes, sell little girls to grown men, give them black eyes, hold a knife to their throat, and anything else that is mentally, emotionally and physically abusive. We have child protection laws for a reason.)


About Judgement:


2 Corinthians 5:10:


For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.


(Dumbed down version: We're all going to be judged. Everyone.)

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Shadoe_Hare

About Furries, and fun in general:

Ecclesiastes 9:10
Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might, for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which you are going.

(Dumbed down version: There is nothing wrong having fun, even if you're a furry.)

Of course there is nothing wrong with having fun. The Bible is filled with verses showing the proper way of having fun. For example, killing babies by bashing them into rocks is an appropriate way to have fun:

Psalm 137:9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

The problem is when you start having fun in a way that is condemned by the Bible. For example, wearing weird clothes (such as the furries) is an example of having fun in the wrong way:

Zephaniah 1:8 And it shall come to pass in the day of the Lord's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

About supposedly not being able to sin :

1 John 3:9, NIV: "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God."

Basically, John's advice is actually being targeted specifically at believers. In particular, that there is no excuse for sin in the life of a believer. Grace is a not a license to sin. Those who sin without remorse, conviction, or change have no relationship with Christ whatsoever. But even a saved Christian has to choose good over evil.

In the verse, the emphasis is on the one "born of God." God lives in the believer and the believer can therefore no longer live the same life as prior to becoming God's child.

Let's look at this verse in King James version:

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

It says that the born again do not commit sin. We cannot commit sin once we're born again. Period.

On Child abuse:

Proverbs 13:24, NIV: "Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them."

This is an excellent example of why we choose the KJV over NIV - KJV has much simpler/direct language, while NIV beats around the bush and makes things overly complicated.

We will have to wait for Dr. Elmer White to weigh in regarding the Hebrew version, but here is the same verse in KJV:

Proverbs 13:24: He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

The KJV clearly says that a good parent beats his son most if not every evening.

(Dumbed down version: It's not okay to hit your kids, especially with razor straps, paddles, belts, switches, give them black eyes, sell little girls to grown men, give them black eyes, hold a knife to their throat, and anything else that is mentally, emotionally and physically abusive. We have child protection laws for a reason.)

I will leave you with another Proverbs verse to ponder:

Proverbs 20:30 The blueness of a wound cleanseth away evil: so do stripes the inward parts of the belly.

Therefore: beatings that result in wounds are good, as they cleanse evil.

About Judgement:

2 Corinthians 5:10:

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.

(Dumbed down version: We're all going to be judged. Everyone.)

Agreed. I have nothing to worry. Do you?


Psalm 119:1-3
1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart.
3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways.

1st John 3:6-9
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1st John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

[Didymus Much]

1 John 3:9, NIV: "No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God."

Originally Posted by Shadoe_Hare

...Dumbed down version: If you believe in God you should try not to sin. You can still sin because you are human....

Really? Where do all those weasel words that say it's ok to keep sinning if you feel bad and/or really think you could do better or something and should maybe come from? I'm not seeing them in my copy of the Bible.

Where the Bible says that if you really love God (see your own 1 John quote), you can't sin. At all. Not even a little bit.

That's what God's grace is supposed to do. Make you perfect, like the True Christians: True Christians are Perfect!

Sounds like you'd rather keep doing confession and penance (other things the Bible doesn't approve of).

[handmaiden]

Originally Posted by Shadoe_Hare

Yes, I would call the cops on a man holding a dagger to his son's throat. Not doing so would be just plain stupid. It's child abuse and endangerment.

So you would have taken it upon yourself to interfere directly between Almighty God and His chosen instrument, Abraham?

I have to be honest with you, I am taken aback by that. For most of my life I have been regaled with retellings of Abraham's unswerving faith in God. The fact that he was willing to sacrifice his long awaited, only-begotten (legitimate) son was held up to me as the gold standard of trust and obedience in Our Lord. But you are saying that you would have not followed God's command in that situation or allowed another person to obey such divine instructions. That kind of makes me question the strength and clarity of your professed faith.

About Furries, and fun, in general:
Ecclesiastes 9:10
Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might,for there is no work or thought or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol, to which youare going.

And my hand could find itself clutching a dagger, poised to offer up to The Lord the most precious thing in the world to me.

Or, my hand could find itself putting together a pipe bomb in order to bring down God's wrath upon an abortion clinic. Mine you, I don't think of those things as fun, of course. But service to God does bring a certain satisfaction even when it requires extreme sacrifice, I will admit that.

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Shadoe_Hare

God's children are expected to reflect his characteristics to some degree. Again, the emphasis is not on perfection, but likeness.

Thank you for your post and for addressing questions that have come up. I'm not sure though whether you're intending to disagree with Jesus? He did address this point, of course. He has been discussing shared clothing and opportunities for witnessing to heathens even if they act heartlessly (which mostly they do) but He does acknowledge some residual capacity for love.

Matthew 5:46-48 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

As has been covered in previous posts, The Bible guarantees Christians a capacity for perfection. Jesus did not say to attempt perfection (I presume that's what you meant by "try not to sin") or to be perfect some of the time but maybe worship an idol on Tuesdays. Remember that Jesus created the universe and His use of the imperative mood is unusually strong – from a merely human perspective.

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

The command and the manifestation of what is commanded are intertwined so as to be indistinguishable. And that first light still exists. One small difference between light and perfection is that on Creation Day One, light did not already exist; perfection however did already exist when Jesus demanded it from Christians.

[The Attention Seeker Jen (On Moderation)]

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor

As has been covered in previous posts, The Bible guarantees Christians a capacity for perfection. Jesus did not say to attempt perfection (I presume that's what you meant by "try not to sin") or to be perfect some of the time but maybe worship an idol on Tuesdays.

Good. Because take it from me, I am far from perfect, which is a bit of a paradox because I am a self-professed perfectionist. And I can't help but feel there's much room in me for improvement. To be totally honest though, I'm glad that Jesus does not ask of us to attempt perfection, because usually I get crippled with anxiety that I end up procrastinating.

I know you were addressing the bunny, but I thought I'd share if it might help our new member for a relatable and empathetic experience.

[Isabella White]

Originally Posted by The Attention Seeker Jen

Good. Because take it from me, I am far from perfect, which is a bit of a paradox because I am a self-professed perfectionist. And I can't help but feel there's much room in me for improvement. To be totally honest though, I'm glad that Jesus does not ask of us to attempt perfection, because usually I get crippled with anxiety that I end up procrastinating.

I know you were addressing the bunny, but I thought I'd share if it might help our new member for a relatable and empathetic experience.

I will just leave this here, Miss Nettles — kindly take your time with this one.

Matthew 5:48 "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect."

[Roland]

Originally Posted by Shadoe_Hare

(Dumbed down version: We're all going to be judged. Everyone.)

Hi Shadoe, This forum is not about dumbed down versions (or you interpretation) It is about literal quotes from the KJV Bible. On this forum you should quote from the KJV and base your argument on the verses from the KJV.

The only other option you have is to accept Jesus as your savior or become a Hell bound Heathen like me.