[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

This is from C.H. Spurgeon's Treasury of David, in his exposition of Psalm 53:1.

Ps 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. And this he does because he is a fool. Being a fool he speaks according to his nature; being a great fool he meddles with a great subject, and comes to a wild conclusion. The atheist is, morally as well as mentally, a fool, a fool in the heart as well as in the head; a fool in morals as well as in philosophy. With the denial of God as a starting point, we may well conclude that the fool's progress is a rapid, riotous, raving, ruinous one. He who begins at impiety is ready for anything.

No God, being interpreted, means no law, no order, no restraint to lust, no limit to passion. Who but a fool would be of this mind? What a Bedlam, or rather what an Aceldama, would the world become if such lawless principles came to be universal! He who heartily entertains an irreligious spirit, and follows it out to its legitimate issues is a son of Belial, dangerous to the commonwealth, irrational, and despicable. Every natural man is, more or less a denier of God. Practical atheism is the religion of the race.

Corrupt are they. They are rotten. It is idle to compliment them as sincere doubters, and amiable thinkers -- they are putrid. There is too much dainty dealing nowadays with atheism; it is not a harmless error, it is an offensive, putrid sin, and righteous men should look upon it in that light. All men being more or less atheistic in spirit, are also in that degree corrupt; their heart is foul, their moral nature is decayed.

And have done abominable iniquity. Bad principles soon lead to bad lives. One does not find virtue promoted by the example of your Voltaires and Tom Paines. Those who talk so abominably as to deny their Maker will act abominably when it serves their turn. It is the abounding denial and forgetfulness of God among men which is the source of the unrighteousness and crime which we see around us. If all men are not outwardly vicious it is to be accounted for by the power of other and better principles, but left to itself the "No God" spirit so universal in mankind would produce nothing but the most loathsome actions.

Amen!!! You tell'em, Chuck!

We could also say that one does not find virtue promoted by your Dawkinses, Hitchenses, Sam Harrises, or P.Z. Myerses. Replacing that one line would make the whole speech as pertinent today as it was in Spurgeon's time.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Timely, thought provoking, and dead on as usual, sir!

[Nobar King]

There is only one Voltaire. Still, the message is good.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

One of the greatest Baptist preachers ever to walk the earth. His sound words echo down the centuries and fill us with the warmth and light of His Truth! PRAISE!

For those who would like to see (and sometimes hear) more There is THIS

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Amen!! Sweet JESUS AMEN!!

Corrupt are they. They are rotten. It is idle to compliment them as sincere doubters, and amiable thinkers -- they are putrid. There is too much dainty dealing nowadays with atheism; it is not a harmless error, it is an offensive, putrid sin, and righteous men should look upon it in that light. All men being more or less atheistic in spirit, are also in that degree corrupt; their heart is foul, their moral nature is decayed.

I may just have to use this bit in Sunday's Sermon. Shout GLORY!

[Levi Jones]

Spurgeon was a godly genius who told it like it is especially about atheist scum.

We often talk of unbelief as if it were an affliction to be pitied instead of a crime to be condemned.

The angels never doubt Him, nor the devils either; we alone, out of all the beings that God has fashioned, dishonour Him by unbelief, and tarnish His honour by mistrust.

Even if a man had no other sin whatsoever, it is quite sufficient to condemn him for ever, that he neglects his God and turns away from his Saviour; for unbelief is an act of high treason against the divine majesty, plucking at the crown jewel of Jehovah’s truthfulness.

If a man can do without God, it is certain that God can do without him, and the day will come when God will do without him, according to his word, “I will ease me of mine adversaries.”

[silverspirit2001]

My question is .. are the mentally insane atheists deserving of the death penalty, an exorcism, or locking up for eternity.

Personally, I think those who come to the conclusion of God not existing (against all the evidence), are immediately possessed by demons, before they can realise their error. They need an exorcism then locking up, till they realise Gods infinite majesty.

Or they die, and burn in hell.

But I am afraid, I may too be liberal.

[ἄθεος (without god)]

Written by Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1787.

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched.
Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion.
Question with boldness even the existence of a God;

because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

Said by a great american

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by silverspirit2001

My question is .. are the mentally insane atheists deserving of the death penalty, an exorcism, or locking up for eternity.

Personally, I think those who come to the conclusion of God not existing (against all the evidence), are immediately possessed by demons, before they can realise their error. They need an exorcism then locking up, till they realise Gods infinite majesty.

Or they die, and burn in hell.

But I am afraid, I may too be liberal.

I'm afraid you will never get to heaven with liberal attitudes like that! This is what God says, "2 Chronicles 15:13 Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

Originally Posted by ἄθεος (without god)

Written by Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1787.

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched.
Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion.
Question with boldness even the existence of a God;

because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

Said by a great american

Strangely I agree with that vile beast Jefferson on this occasion - Question the existence of God by all means, as long as you always come to the conclusion that He Exists!

[ἄθεος (without god)]

Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire

I'm afraid you will never get to heaven with liberal attitudes like that! This is what God says, "2 Chronicles 15:13 Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
Strangely I agree with that vile beast Jefferson on this occasion - Question the existence of God by all means, as long as you always come to the conclusion that He Exists!

But what if doesn't exist?
The reason im an atheist, is because i came to the conclusion that you can't prove his existence. In fact, you can't prove the existence of god more than the existence of Allah (which is just an arab word for god) or The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

and what Thomas Jefferson meant was, that its stupidity to blindly follow something, just because some people says its the truth.
His ideas were just some of many other ideas that started the American Revolution, which lead to the foundation of free america, with the freedom of speech and freedom to choose your own religion or not and i choosed the non-religion of atheism.

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by ἄθεος (without god)

But what if doesn't exist? The reason im an atheist, is because i came to the conclusion that you can't prove his existence.

I think you are being silly here but for the sake of argument I am going to get along with this for a minute.

Assuming you are right and God doesn't exist: That means I will have lived a decent life being a good person obeying the rules of the Holy Bible. After that I will die and seize to exist completely. No harm done really.

Now lets assume, that you are wrong: I will go to Heaven and you will be burning in Hell for all eternity. Which is billions and billions of years of horrible suffering.

I think it is clear what the smart choice here is.

[ἄθεος (without god)]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

I think you are being silly here but for the sake of argument I am going to get along with this for a minute.

Assuming you are right and God doesn't exist: That means I will have lived a decent life being a good person obeying the rules of the Holy Bible. After that I will die and seize to exist completely. No harm done really.

Now lets assume, that you are wrong: I will go to Heaven and you will be burning in Hell for all eternity. Which is billions and billions of years of horrible suffering.

I think it is clear what the smart choice here is.

And you are telling me that i'm silly?

We all seize to exists when we die, and so what?
But our memory will live on, through those people we affect.
Everyone knows Thomas Jefferson, because he affected so many. Now if you truely have been a good person, then people will remember you for that. Just because an old book says that we have to tread each other nice, doesn't mean that christanity has a monopoly on this. For me, treading other people nice and beeing a good person, is just common sence.

Now, lets say i'm wrong.
Then infact i go to heaven no matter what, because your "God" is designed to forgive my since.
Why, you might ask, and the reason is simple... Jesus.
Jesus died for the since of mankind, so everyone can go to heaven.
In conclusion, i can go around and sin all i want and he still has to let me into this so called "Heaven"

and if i'm wrong on this point to and i really go to hell, then f**k that, it's going to be warm and there will be people i know.

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by ἄθεος (without god)

Now, lets say i'm wrong. Then infact i go to heaven no matter what, because your "God" is designed to forgive my since. Why, you might ask, and the reason is simple... Jesus. Jesus died for the since of mankind, so everyone can go to heaven. In conclusion, i can go around and sin all i want and he still has to let me into this so called "Heaven"

Jesus only forgives those who believe in Him. Sending people to Heaven and Hell at random would not be fair. This is why God gave us the Holy Bible which contains clear instructions on how we can go to Heaven.

You, unfortunately, will end up in Hell.

Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

John 15:6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

[ἄθεος (without god)]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

Jesus only forgives those who believe in Him. Sending people to Heaven and Hell at random would not be fair. This is why God gave us the Holy Bible which contains clear instructions on how we can go to Heaven.

You, unfortunately, will end up in Hell.

Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

John 15:6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

You tell me that the bible has clear instructuons of how to live and how to behave?
Seems i misunderstood the instructions, since i thought everyone goes to heaven...
It seems serveral people of the world has misunderstood its meaning, because there are so many religions who claims they truly follow the bible.
In fact, i think none of them a right, including Baptism...
The bible is just and old book and if you start living by a long list of rules, as the jewish people do, then you will end up to regret it.

[Nobar King]

Originally Posted by ἄθεος (without god)

You tell me that the bible has clear instructuons of how to live and how to behave?
Seems i misunderstood the instructions, since i thought everyone goes to heaven...

What is the point of having a Hell and threatening to send everyone there if it's just going to sit there empty all the time?

You've never actually read The Bible, have you?

[ἄθεος (without god)]

Originally Posted by Nobar King

What is the point of having a Hell and threatening to send everyone there if it's just going to sit there empty all the time?

You've never actually read The Bible, have you?

Infact, i have.

and i released that all the part aobut the wrath of god, comes form the old testament, which Jesus wanted people to stop living by. This lead to the new testament, and a lot of different books where held out.
Including The Book of Judas, which says that Jesus asked Judas to betray him, so his so called "mission" could be carried out.

and all the part about armageddon and the rapture in the book of revelation by John is just nonesense. If Jesus really came to save us, why should we then preapare for something that doesn't come?
Truth is, that the John who wrote the Book of Revelations, was not the same John who followed Jesus.

and you know what? I don't even care if there is a heaven or hell, its all just a stupid fairy tale to scare kids, to belive something thats not real.

And let me quote:

The whole thing is so patently infantile, so foreign to reality, that to anyone with a friendly attitude to humanity it is painful to think that the great majority of mortals will never be able to rise above this view of life.
— Sigmund Freud

[Nobar King]

How could you have possibly read The Bible and still think that it says that everyone is going to Heaven? Do you think Osama Bin Laden and the 19 terror hijackers are going to Heaven?

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by Nobar King

How could you have possibly read The Bible and still think that it says that everyone is going to Heaven? Do you think Osama Bin Laden and the 19 terror hijackers are going to Heaven?

Osama, heck what about Jimmy Carter? What kind jerk things Carter is going to just waltz into heaven after all he has done.

[Patrick Dawson]

I don't how anyone can be atheist. They are so retarded it's not even funny anymore. Their theory about the origin of the universe is so dumb. They are saying that the world was greated in some "big bang" referring to an explosion. And atheist scientists have also stated that there can't be fire without oxygen. Then how could the explosion that created the world (including oxygen) happen if there was no oxygen before the explosion.

[Patrick Dawson]

Also I'm sorry if my English is bad sometimes. I have dyslexia.
Sometimes I feel like i'm being tested by God like Job.