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Default Re: Jesus was a migrant, Matthew 2:13-14 says so - 10-31-2019, 06:00 AM

He was not, and even if He were, there is good migration (Norway) and bad migration (brown people) as Donald Trump has enlightened us recently.Jesus would be of course the best migrant EVER.


1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
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Default Re: Jesus was a migrant, Matthew 2:13-14 says so - 10-31-2019, 12:12 PM

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very early in Chapter 1 verse 5 we see that it says "I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon."-Song of Solomon 1:5. I do not mean to be argumentative but clearly he is saying he is a Black man.
That is not an argument, it's not even wrong. In the first place if a description reads "black but comely" and another description reads "white and ruddy" then clearly two different people are being described. The description you've pointed to is obviously not of the King and can be broken down as follows:

Song of Solomon 1

4b
..The king hath brought me into his chambers:

4c..We will be glad and rejoice in thee,

4d..We will remember thy love more than wine:

4e..The upright love thee.

5a..I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem,

5b..As the tents of Kedar,

5c..As the curtains of Solomon.

12a.While the king sitteth at his table,

12b.My spikenard sendeth forth the smell thereof.

Multiple other references confirm this in chapter one alone and the soliloquy opening chapter two is particularly poignant in this respect.
Song of Solomon 2:1-6
Handmaiden has pointed out specific comparisons less common today, except in certain circumstances, but nevertheless very expressive. The bed is green. The King is not a horse. Look for the following key words:
I have compared. thee to
Thou art. fair
Our bed is. green.
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Default Re: Jesus was a migrant, Matthew 2:13-14 says so - 04-27-2022, 11:55 AM

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(Leviticus 19:33-34)

When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.

I came back to this thread, because I've realized that I've missed some details: other prophets were migrants too. Some examples includes:
  • Adam and Eve: Both were kicked out from Eden and were forced to find a new homeland. Clearly migrants.
  • Noah: Built a boat to traverse the sea. One of his passengers was his son Ham, who was the first black person. Definitely a migrant.
  • Abraham: Was a guest, along with his wife and half-sister Sarah, in Egypt. Surely a migrant.
  • Joseph: Became an important Egyptian when he was brought there. 100% migrant.
  • Jonah: Went to Sardinia via a whale (like the one in Pinocchio). Was also a racist who later repented.
  • Saint Paul: Did a long journey that eventually led him to Rome. How can he not be a migrant?
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Default Re: Jesus was a migrant, Matthew 2:13-14 says so - 04-29-2022, 12:28 PM

No.

There are different sorts of "migrants" for example emigrants and immigrants. Clearly treating sojourners in one's land the same as natives necessitates a single legal system for all. Outmoded ecclesiastical law may be swallowed by the inept few unable to think for themselves: in no way can it be binding: Paul is an instance of this.

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• Saint Paul: Did a long journey that eventually led him to Rome. How can he not be a migrant?
Because he was a Roman citizen already.
ACTS 22:25-28 And as they bound him with thongs, Paul said unto the centurion that stood by, Is it lawful for you to scourge a man that is a Roman, and uncondemned? When the centurion heard that, he went and told the chief captain, saying, Take heed what thou doest: for this man is a Roman. Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea. And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom. And Paul said, But I was free born.
And Paul said, But I was free born.
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Default Re: Jesus was a migrant, Matthew 2:13-14 says so - 06-25-2022, 07:34 PM

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He was not,
You started off quite well. I had hopes for you. I thought "At last! That kiddy-fiddler has seen the error of his ways! He has manged to read a Bible... and then...
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I came back to this thread, because I've realized that I've missed some details: other prophets were migrants too. Some examples includes:
  • Adam and Eve: Both were kicked out from Eden and were forced to find a new homeland. Clearly migrants.
  • Noah: Built a boat to traverse the sea. One of his passengers was his son Ham, who was the first black person. Definitely a migrant.
  • Abraham: Was a guest, along with his wife and half-sister Sarah, in Egypt. Surely a migrant.
  • Joseph: Became an important Egyptian when he was brought there. 100% migrant.
  • Jonah: Went to Sardinia via a whale (like the one in Pinocchio). Was also a racist who later repented.
  • Saint Paul: Did a long journey that eventually led him to Rome. How can he not be a migrant?
Shall I continue?
  • Adam and Eve: There were no borders: you can't migrate unless there's a border.
  • Noah: He was a ship-wrecked mariner.
  • Abraham: He was a tourist.
  • Joseph: He was kidnapped and dumped in Egypt - that's not "migration".
  • Jonah: He was told by God to preach abroad. Basically he was a street-preacher on steroids. As God owns the earth, God didn't recognize borders.
  • Saint Paul: Did a long journey that eventually led him to Rome. How can he not be a migrant? As long as he kept moving, he wasn't a migrant.





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Default Re: Jesus was a migrant, Matthew 2:13-14 says so - 09-07-2022, 08:55 AM

I have reprimanded myself for not reading more completely before posting. As you know, it's not my way to seem critical of other, false, belief systems however far they have migrated from The Truth (assuming they were ever in contact with it at all) and Rome is a good example of this. Having reread the thread to appreciate all the posts in context, two points stand out regarding [1] Noah and [2] Christ Jesus, highlighted in SeaGreen and RoyalBlue respectively.







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I came back to this thread, because I've realized that I've missed some details: other prophets were migrants too. Some examples includes:
..Noah: Built a boat to traverse the sea.


How could any two points be distinguished in a world completely covered by water? Such locations would be necessary for any traversing to be done. God is clear that the waters rose up from below as much as fell down from above, perhaps like a boat in a bathtub with the plughole working in reverse but definitely not like a reservoir's dam bursting.
Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
As we know, The Firmament (colloquially known as "sky") restrains a significant volume of water. Let's go woke and accept the astrologers' claim:
a sphere of water 540,833,534,332,891,911,238,367⅞ miles across!
all held back except for windows operated by God. So in other words like having a boat in your bathtub with reverse plughole function and the shower on. The water rises straight up. A major difference is that your toy could be assigned a location by measuring from the edge of the bath. Mount Everest could substitute for that but the problem is that Mount Everest was covered with water if it even existed beforehand and that Noah came back down more-or-less where he started from. "Traversing" from anywhere to anywhere else is completely absurd under such circumstances.
Genesis 8:2-5 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained; and the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated. And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat. And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month…were the tops of the mountains seen.
THEN, a location could be determined but were those mountains even there beforehand? There were some, as we know from their tops having been covered, vv18-20, but regardless of how high they were it's certain that Everest was covered because no mountains were visible until the time recorded by God to inform us. This brings us to the blue section.







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The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them. And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb.

When the days of her [Mary's] purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord…and to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.

When they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth.
Luke 2:20, 21, 22, 24, 39


Colombo, San Sebastián and Thomson Bay are settlements on the islands of Ceylon, Grand Tierra del Fuego and Rottnest respectively. Travel between them is relatively straightforward. One could start in Colombo for example and go to Thomson Bay, then turn hard right and go on to San Sebastián. Mostly this would be by sea or air.

Jesus similarly had several options, in getting to Nazareth (or returning to in the case of Mary & Joseph) from Bethlehem. When He was born, after a few days, they'd all gone to Jerusalem and spent some time there. Several options exist for getting to Egypt on the way home, sea would be one, road another. Probably by road via Egypt, pausing to take in the Egyptian riviera, maybe a look at the pyramids, this is just a fancy on my part you understand, then a pleasant cruise back up to the coast near Nazareth, disembarking around modern-day Haifa. In none of these places would Jesus be any sort of migrant, neither an immigrant nor an emigrant. Exactly the same as in my other imagined journey. God gives the destinations but nobody went anywhere to actually live. It's an important distinction and worth pointing out.

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