[MitzaLizalor]

https://www.catholiceducation.org/en...the-bible.html

Catholics follow a three-year cycle of Scripture reading, so a Catholic who goes to church faithfully will — over those three years — hear almost all of the Bible read.

When someone cites Scripture but leaves some out, it's always interesting to read the excluded portion.

[Lady Eveline]

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor

https://www.catholiceducation.org/en...the-bible.html

When someone cites Scripture but leaves some out, it's always interesting to read the excluded portion.

3 whole years and they only read most of Scripture?! Even those little Bible apps for a smartphone has a setting to read the entire Bible in just under 30 days. Clearly not anywhere near dedicated to Jesus as they constantly claim to be.

[Dennis Lukes]

Darn it I know I shouldn't have clicked. We need some kind of "Warning: Homosexual Content" label for threads posted by Catholic clergymen. Damned sodomites.

[MitzaLizalor]

I'm wondering if there's a problem with definitions? Recapping briefly:

There were a number of illustrations which I've adjusted to a standard size and arranged in vaguely chronological order, annotated as follows:

madonna idol	proposed identity	actual identity
	not elucidated, obviously done in homage to ↓	SATAN
	Ubaid madonna	SATAN
	some sort of Venus madonna	SATAN
	old French madonna	SATAN
	revolting hippopotamus madonna	SATAN
	art deco madonna	SATAN
	trans madonna (with serpent)	SATAN
	modern European madonna	SATAN

The definition in question relates to what a goddess is?

There are different approaches. Is a goddess an actual thing or an abstract concept? In the latter case, some aspect of the unconscious mind could be involved. Or is a goddess simply a particular type of statue? All of them are idols by virtue of the fact that they were made at all (regardless of what you do with it once manufactured) contravening a direct Commandment³ from God. On the other hand, taking a less esoteric stance, goddesses could be alternative names for types of actions, good or bad, personified in art as shown [above] with the statue itself having no contribution to the action. There is another ridiculous idea, that one adores, venerates or otherwise stares at the thing, projecting energy to imbue it with an ideal one holds. Can you imagine what that might be for the hippopotamus?

So if Rovagnati could clarify that point, it would be easier for a discussion leading to an acceptance of how much these popes and madonnas actually contribute to the world, now or in the future.




1.
Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

2.
Psalm 14:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

3.
Deuteronomy 5:8
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth

[Romeo Rovagnati]

Nice set of religious images. But why did you left out the Venus of Willendorf?

[MitzaLizalor]

I'm sorry, I've just seen your post. The reason for that is to do with the origins of that type of figure. In the pre-Babylonian era, in fact earlier than anything depicted here, piles of waterworn stones could be arranged to look like a "Venus" (well, statue would not be the right word) or even a water-eroded lump of sandstone could have looked like that in the right light.

But not very alike. Improvements could be made. Clearly no such smooth pebble arrangement survives but it's easy to imagine how some of these:



..could be arranged somehow – or even by happenstance agglomerate into an approximation of a human fugure:



..thus inspiring, say, an Aurignacian savage to attempt some adjustments. It wouldn't take much to arrive at the thing you posted but the origins were concrete (waterworn stones in what looked like a pattern) rather than imaginary (a goblin) or real but intangible (pain, screaming, hope) if you see what I mean. Eventually, someone comes up with the idea of discarding the stones altogether and simply fashioning a lump of clay into a popular design, in this case a round Venus.

The step from there into outright idolatry, making up a story about something and making a statue of that, or observing the terrible results of demonic activity and making a statue of the demon, inspired (usually) by hallucinations, well it may be a small step but it's a significant one.

To avoid confusion I stuck with the more recent madonnas and hope you're able to identify the Babylonian origins of your doctrine which clearly have nothing to do with Jesus.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Romeo Rovagnati

Nice set of religious images. But why did you left out the Venus of Willendorf?

This sculpture was supposedly made 30,000 years ago. This is before Creation, therefore, it must be fake.

[Dennis Lukes]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

This sculpture was supposedly made 30,000 years ago. This is before Creation, therefore, it must be fake.

I don't know, it looks like a real pornographic heathen idol to me. Could be they just lied about its age, maybe it's only 3,000 years old. Archeologists lie about everything.

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Originally Posted by Dennis Lukes

Could be they just lied about its age, maybe it's only 3,000 years old. Archeologists lie about everything.

Not just archeologists, anyone who changes their story is an unreliable witness. I can't stand how so-called authorities on science go on TV and tell us how they changed their position on something. That's known as lying. Shame on them. How can you trust someone after that?

[Romeo Rovagnati]

Other than Mr. Much having nothing to do with the subject of your post...

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor

I've analized all the images that you've posted and came to the conclusion that this is supposed to be an "evolution of Madonna"?

So, according to you:

1. You begin with the possible future Pope that I've posted earlier on the thread, which is not meant to be the first Madonna
2. Then we have a reptilian Madonna-like statue from Ubaid, which the future Pope is supposed to be an homage of
3. Then, the reptilian "Madonna" "evolves" into a chair Goddess (i dunno why you called it a "Madonna")
4. Then we directly go to the French Madonna (I'm not even sure if the statue is French or Medieval, but whatever)
5. But suddently, a statue of an Hippopotamus Egyptian Goddess is more rececent than the French Madonna (by the way, why you didn't chose Isis for this one?)
6. Then we have an Art Deco Madonna, which would be very recent if it weren't for the fact that styles before Art Deco are still used nowadays
7. But the Art Deco Madonna somehow evolves into a Chinese God holding a serpent (I, of course cannot identify the God because of the confusing (or Confucian) beliefs the chinese have). I'm also surprised that you didn't use the Goddess of Compassion for the Chinese
8. And then it evolves into a Modern European Virgin Mary (altough the style is older than Art Deco)

Now, a question I would like to add is: does the Theotokos from Orthodox Churches belong in the list?



Also, unreleated: did you count the Ciccone singer as a Madonna?

[Dennis Lukes]

Originally Posted by Romeo Rovagnati

I've analized all the

altar boys in your congregation, we know.

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Didymus Much
Toh-may-toe, toh-mah-toe.

Originally Posted by Basilissa
Yes, Madonna is a pagan goddess.

Are you suggesting the Vikings brought tomatoes back from Vinland? Evidently they got some distance up the St Lawrence River, if not so far as Lake Ontario then very likely to Lake Saint-Pierre. This is some distance from tomato country and for now I'll stick with the established wisdom that pizza never contained tomato prior to the 15th century.

The quoted comments are related in that whether one says, "pagan goddess" or "madonna" is about as noteworthy as how one pronounces New World salad ingredients. Sure, an Italian will come up with a new type of pizza just as Romish idols were made wearing occidental clothing, despite the creature depicted having a long history from different locations with robes and body shapes from the region just as tomato was served in pizzas in Italy or on skewers as kebabs in Turkey. It's still a tomato and the madonna is still a pagan goddess.

Although I don't eat pizza, I don't consider it demonic. Madonna OTOH is obviously a devilish manifestation which many worship as though she were a goddess whereas, in fact, only God is worthy of praise forever and ever. Turn to Jesus today.

[Romeo Rovagnati]

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor

Although I don't eat pizza...

Didn't you Americans have Pizza Hut? Oh wait, that explains why you don't eat it.

[Dennis Lukes]

Originally Posted by Romeo Rovagnati

Didn't you Americans have Pizza Hut? Oh wait, that explains why you don't eat it.

Pizza Hut's current designation is sinful, and we don't eat it because it's pro-pedophile. That would be right up your alley though.