[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by vikram

he hears yours ? go baptize the dead.

Errr, it's the Mormons that do that, not Baptists. Whole other bunch of lunatics Christians.

[DirtyHeretic]

I do have a question.

What would happen if, a sinner seeking salvation, were to pray for the salvation they seek? Would your god allow them to wallow in your hell even if they were seeking redemption. It would seem to me that if your god does not listen to sinners, and if we are all born in original sin Romans 5:12, that no one could ever be a christian. If I am wrong please let me know.

[vikram]

Originally Posted by DirtyHeretic

I do have a question.

What would happen if, a sinner seeking salvation, were to pray for the salvation they seek? Would your god allow them to wallow in your hell even if they were seeking redemption. It would seem to me that if your god does not listen to sinners, and if we are all born in original sin Romans 5:12, that no one could ever be a christian. If I am wrong please let me know.

i think the "sin" here he is referring to is "sex". stop having sex, its the only road to salvation.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Originally Posted by DirtyHeretic

I do have a question.

What would happen if, a sinner seeking salvation, were to pray for the salvation they seek? Would your god allow them to wallow in your hell even if they were seeking redemption. It would seem to me that if your god does not listen to sinners, and if we are all born in original sin Romans 5:12, that no one could ever be a christian. If I am wrong please let me know.

We are all born in sin, but after we are washed in the blood of Jesus Christ we are sin free.

[I lick your god]

Can I lick your god

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Originally Posted by I lick your god

Can I lick your god

If you are lucky you might get to wrestle an angel.

Genesis 32 24And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.
25And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
26And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me.
27And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob.
28And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.
29And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there.

[DirtyHeretic]

Originally Posted by Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson

We are all born in sin, but after we are washed in the blood of Jesus Christ we are sin free.

I dont think this adequately answers my question.

If a sinner may as well pray to a brick wall then how can they be saved? Surely John 3:3 which states:

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

must account for something.

If I remember correctly it is a relationship with you god that allows for entrance into heaven. Which would mean that being born again or saved is a relationship with god. How can a relationship be attained when one party is not willing to be a part of it?

Please, I am just trying to understand the concept of how one could be a true christian while meanwhile be unable to be saved.

[King of Babylon]

So you compare yourself to Jesus being totally sinless?

You know, Point of christianity is that Jesus died for all the people and their sins. So I dont see much sense here.

[King of Babylon]

Ps. 103:3
Who forgives all your sins
and heals all your diseases.


Fin: Hän antaa anteeksi kaikki syntini ja parantaa kaikki sairauteni.

No one talking about being "True Christian"
just ask and "He" forgives you, so WHO'S THERE WHO OBEY JUST THE PARTS OF THE BIBLE!

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Originally Posted by King of Babylon

Ps. 103:3
Who forgives all your sins
and heals all your diseases.


Fin: Hän antaa anteeksi kaikki syntini ja parantaa kaikki sairauteni.

No one talking about being "True Christian"
just ask and "He" forgives you, so WHO'S THERE WHO OBEY JUST THE PARTS OF THE BIBLE!

God forgives your sins, but everyone who is saved does not sin.

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Originally Posted by King of Babylon

So you compare yourself to Jesus being totally sinless?

You know, Point of christianity is that Jesus died for all the people and their sins. So I dont see much sense here.

No, more like Zacharias and Elisabeth.

Luke 1:5-6 THERE was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

[incapableofthought]

I would consider myself a sinner (as all other human beings are aside from Christ) and I live a fantastic life wherein all my prayers are answered... as is stated in the bible Leviticus 19:12 "those who close their mind in self-righteousness and judgement of others are blind"

Much love

P.s does anyone know where I can get a durable bat to beat my wife and unborn fetus child with? I've been using a wooden one but my wifes head always splinters it!! HAHA

[Alphonse Alban]

Originally Posted by incapableofthought

I would consider myself a sinner (as all other human beings are aside from Christ) and I live a fantastic life wherein all my prayers are answered... as is stated in the bible Leviticus 19:12 "those who close their mind in self-righteousness and judgement of others are blind"

Much love

P.s does anyone know where I can get a durable bat to beat my wife and unborn fetus child with?

Leviticus 19:12 says "And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD."

I don't see how this is relevant. Anyway, I prefer wooden ones. Hickory bats are nice. Still, I would not beat unborn baby with bat, there is line between love and hurting. I recommend to use open hand, but if you really have to, start using fists only after thrid trimester.

YiC,

Alphonse

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by incapableofthought

I would consider myself a sinner (as all other human beings are aside from Christ)...

You are a sinner, and a filthy one at that, but we True Christians™ aren't anymore.

You see friend, he who abides in Jesus Christ is made sinfree (as 1 John 3:5-9 says).

Thus, Jesus expects True Christians™ to cast stones. Glory!

[mrkimharper]

We are ALL sinners. Romans 3:23. For ALL have sinned. Does God not hear the prayer of the Christian?

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by mrkimharper

We are ALL sinners. Romans 3:23. For ALL have sinned. Does God not hear the prayer of the Christian?

Nonsense! I am Saved® so I am free of sin!

1st John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood"

1st John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Originally Posted by mrkimharper

We are ALL sinners. Romans 3:23. For ALL have sinned. Does God not hear the prayer of the Christian?

Why do false Christians always quite reading Romans 3 at verse 23?

If they would actually continue reading their Bible, they would read that Paul explains that is before Salvation.

24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

[Logicaltight]

God listens to the prayers of all Christians. In his kind mercy, he is able to tolerate sinners and help them into a better lifestyle, to change their ways and become sinless, clean souls so that they may join him in Heaven.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Originally Posted by Logicaltight

God listens to the prayers of all Christians. In his kind mercy, he is able to tolerate sinners and help them into a better lifestyle, to change their ways and become sinless, clean souls so that they may join him in Heaven.

Then why does the Bible have a list of people and times where God refuses to listen to them?


Deuteronomy 1:45, 3:26 ; 2 Samuel 22:42 ; Job 27:9 ; Job 35:12 Job 35:13 ; Psalms 18:41, 66:18 ; Proverbs 1:24-28 ; Proverbs 15:8 Proverbs 15:29 ; Proverbs 21:13 Proverbs 21:27, 28:9 ; Isaiah 1:15, 45:19. 59:2 ; Jeremiah 11:11, 14:12, 15:1, 18:17 ; Lamentations 3:8 Lamentations 3:44 ; Ezekiel 8:18 ; Ezekiel 20:3 Ezekiel 20:31 ; Hosea 5:6 ; Micah 3:4 ; Zechariah 7:12-13 ; Malachi 1:9, 2:11-13 ; John 9:31 ; James 1:6 James 1:7, 4:3 ; 1 Peter 3:7

[Logicaltight]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

Nonsense! I am Saved® so I am free of sin!

1st John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

Revelation 1:5 "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood"

1st John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

Originally Posted by Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson

Then why does the Bible have a list of people and times where God refuses to listen to them?


Deuteronomy 1:45, 3:26 ; 2 Samuel 22:42 ; Job 27:9 ; Job 35:12 Job 35:13 ; Psalms 18:41, 66:18 ; Proverbs 1:24-28 ; Proverbs 15:8 Proverbs 15:29 ; Proverbs 21:13 Proverbs 21:27, 28:9 ; Isaiah 1:15, 45:19. 59:2 ; Jeremiah 11:11, 14:12, 15:1, 18:17 ; Lamentations 3:8 Lamentations 3:44 ; Ezekiel 8:18 ; Ezekiel 20:3 Ezekiel 20:31 ; Hosea 5:6 ; Micah 3:4 ; Zechariah 7:12-13 ; Malachi 1:9, 2:11-13 ; John 9:31 ; James 1:6 James 1:7, 4:3 ; 1 Peter 3:7

If the Bible says so, and in multiple circumstances, then you must be correct. However, EVERYBODY has the opportunity to leave behind being a sinner. Simply by going to Reconciliation and seeking God's forgiveness through a priest, one can cleanse themself of sin. From then, if they live true and faithful lives and confess their since to God, they can make it into the kingdom of Heaven.