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Default Day 3. Genesis 7-9 - 09-07-2007, 01:57 PM

Genesis 7-9

Today we get more of the Noah story. (and as promised the possible rape of Noah by his son).

Every one is familiar with the two by two story of the animals, but in Genesis 7:2 and 3 we see how the Lord made Noah take extra of the clean beasts for sacrifice to the Lord.

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.


Here is an interesting tidbit. The flood came the same year Methuselah died.

Genesis 7:6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.



Genesis 5: 25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.


27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.


28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:

29 And he called his name Noah


So Methuselah was 187, when he had Lamech. Lamech was 182 when he had Noah. So Methuselah was 369, when Noah was born. The flood happend when Noah was 600, so Methuselah was 969 when he died/the flood happened. Lamech died at age 777, five years before the flood. (It's always sad when a parent outlives a child, I'm sure those last five years of Methuselah were very difficult.)

Lets continue back with today reading.

Genesis 7:16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.

That's correct, the LORD shut the door of the ark, and as He did, He made it rain.

Some interesting pre-flood facts:

1. It didn't rain before the flood.

Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Genesis 2:6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

Rain isn't mentioned next until the story of Noah.

2. All creatures were vegetarians.

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.


post flood

Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

OK, back to the story.

They leave the ark, then Noah sacrifices one of each of the clean beasts, then God decides not to kill everything again*

Genesis 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

22 While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.


*Genesis 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Don't read the fine print...

Genesis 9:18 And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan.

Uh... ok, thanks for that...

20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:

21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.


A husbandman is a farmer. Uncovered means nekkid.

22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.


Once again... thanks for that.

24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.


Remeber that word ... KNEW from yesterdays lesson? So why did he curse Canaan, and not Ham?

29 And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.


And that's the end of today's lesson.

So what did we learn?

Mankind was wicked, and a vegetarian; coincidence?

Ham possibly raped Noah.

Noah became a farmer.

God promised not to kill everyone again by a flood.


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Default Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9 - 09-07-2007, 07:14 PM

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Today we get more of the Noah story ...

... And that's the end of today's lesson

So what did we learn?
I can testify now that Genesis takes on a whole new meaning for me, Brother V ... the TRUE meaning!

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Mankind was wicked, and a vegetarian; coincidence?
I knew mankind was wicked, but not vegetarian in the times before the Flood ...

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Ham possibly raped Noah
I didn't know this before ...

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Noah became a farmer
... didn't know this either ...

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God promised not to kill everyone again by a flood
Finally something I did know ... Praise!


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1st Timothy 2: 9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1st Timothy 2: 10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works ...


1 Timothy 5: 16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed ...

Proverbs 31: 26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness ...
Proverbs 31: 27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness ...

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Default Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9 - 09-08-2007, 02:25 PM

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Genesis 7-9

Today we get more of the Noah story. (and as promised the possible rape of Noah by his son).

Every one is familiar with the two by two story of the animals, but in Genesis 7:2 and 3 we see how the Lord made Noah take extra of the clean beasts for sacrifice to the Lord.

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.


Here is an interesting tidbit. The flood came the same year Methuselah died.

Genesis 7:6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.



Genesis 5: 25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.


27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.


28 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:

29 And he called his name Noah


So Methuselah was 187, when he had Lamech. Lamech was 182 when he had Noah. So Methuselah was 369, when Noah was born. The flood happend when Noah was 600, so Methuselah was 969 when he died/the flood happened. Lamech died at age 777, five years before the flood. (It's always sad when a parent outlives a child, I'm sure those last five years of Methuselah were very difficult.)
I'd always wondered what Methuselah died of. It'd make sense if he died in the flood, but obviously God didn't want to ruin His plot by telling us in Genesis 5:27 that "all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died... IN A FLOOD!!! DUN DUN DUN!"


O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.


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Default Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9 - 09-08-2007, 08:48 PM

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I'd always wondered what Methuselah died of.
Maybe this is where I point out that according to the Septuagint, Methuselah lived until 14 years after the flood. Once again proving that The King James Holy Bible is the only book worth reading.


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Default Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9 - 10-11-2007, 11:28 AM

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Genesis 7-9
*Genesis 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Don't read the fine print...
KVJ1611 properly notes in Genesis 9:13-17 that the sign of the covenant was a bow. We, as the LORD's favored, await the day when the cloud shall come careening in to cover the cornfields of the unclean. No flood will be necessary, for in His wisdom, He will fire arrows straight and true only into the failed seeds that must not be harvested.

Whomever would whine that God used the improper word when writing His book and suggest that a shining spectrum of sparkling colours is what awaits them, know that all the tree hugging hippy crap in the world cannot save you from the forthcoming fire [of arrows]!!!! PRAISE JESUS!


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This has been very enlightening.
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24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

Rememberthat word ... KNEW from yesterdays lesson? So why did he curse Canaan, and not Ham?
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Default Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9 - 07-20-2010, 12:17 AM

Brother V,

Are the sons of God from Heaven? The only Son of God I know is Jesus.

Genesis 6
2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.


4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

I like the part about the giants. Who begot the Giants?


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Default Re: Day 3. Genesis 7-9 - 07-20-2010, 04:38 PM

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Brother V in this case is "knew" used as one of the cases of knowledge rather than a case of *knowledge*?
In chapter 9, verse 22, you see that Ham saw the nakedness of his father.

Who cares, what's the big deal? Surely he's seen his father naked while they were bathing. Or saw him taking a poop, or just seen him after a shower?

If Noah was in his own tent, why would the Shem and Japheth have to take a blanket to cover him?

Clearly, something happened here, that was a bit more than just pointing and laughing at a naked old man.

Most people believe the son's of God in chapter 6 are angels. The giants were the offspring of the angels and women.


Judges 9:21 And Jotham ran away, and fled, and went to Beer, and dwelt there, for fear of Abimelech his brother.
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In chapter 9, verse 22, you see that Ham saw the nakedness of his father.

Who cares, what's the big deal? Surely he's seen his father naked while they were bathing. Or saw him taking a poop, or just seen him after a shower?

If Noah was in his own tent, why would the Shem and Japheth have to take a blanket to cover him?

Clearly, something happened here, that was a bit more than just pointing and laughing at a naked old man.
I will re-read the passage. I must admit all the nakedness *affected* me.

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Most people believe the son's of God in chapter 6 are angels. The giants were the offspring of the angels and women.
That is what I thought. This is the same race the Goliath was from correct Brother?

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This is the same race the Goliath was from correct Brother?

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Not really. Remember, during the flood, everything with the "breath of life" died. So all the giants would have died off during the flood.

Genesis 7:22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

Goliath of Gath came from the Philistines (modern day Palestinians). According to the table of nations, the Philistines come from a guy named Casluhim, who was the son of Mizraim, who was the son of Ham.

In order for any of the genetics of the giants to make it past the flood, one of Noah's daughter in laws would have to have some of the giant genetics in her, or one of Noah's boys (probably Ham) got the gene from his mother (but it's more likely that it was one of their wives).

Goliath's mother is commonly believed to have been Orpah (who you'll meet in the book of Ruth). Orpah is (of course) a Philistine. We don't know who the fathers of Goliath and his three giant brothers are. So, it's possible that she was impregnated by an angel, but that's unlikely. It's more likely that the giant gene was recessive and that she managed to find a husband (after leaving Naomi) who also had the recessive gene and they produced the giants.

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In order for any of the genetics of the giants to make it past the flood, one of Noah's daughter in laws would have to have some of the giant genetics in her, or one of Noah's boys (probably Ham) got the gene from his mother (but it's more likely that it was one of their wives).
Genes are God's way of surprising us?

For the life of me I NEVER thought I would see 'genetics' in these forums. I must contemplate on this and seek guidance through prayer.

Thank you Brother V. I need to read more.

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Genes are God's way of surprising us?

For the life of me I NEVER thought I would see 'genetics' in these forums. I must contemplate on this and seek guidance through prayer.

Thank you Brother V. I need to read more.

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Of course there are genes. God made them.

He also made it so that angel's DNA can interact with human DNA, and create a child. However, human DNA and monkey DNA will not work.

The LORD works in mysterious ways.

Speaking of genes; it's been proposed (and I tend to agree) that all the various species of animals came about after the flood. For example, Noah wouldn't have taken 2 of every kind of dog (setter, terrier, mastiff...) he would have just had to have taken 2 dogs, and inside those 2 dogs there is enough genetic material to make all the rest of the dog species. In fact, it's possible that he didn't even take any dogs, but just 2 wolves.

There were (of course) several different birds that were taken on board, we know that because of the dove/raven story in today's reading.

People also wonder how he fit all the animals on the ark. Full grown elephants, lions, tigers, giraffes, hippos... take up a lot more space and require more resources than infants of them. So, it's obvious he took very young versions of each kind of animal.

Since he took multiples of each "clean" animal... they could have been fed on goats milk.

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Of course there are genes. God made them.

He also made it so that angel's DNA can interact with human DNA, and create a child. However, human DNA and monkey DNA will not work.

The LORD works in mysterious ways.

Speaking of genes; it's been proposed (and I tend to agree) that all the various species of animals came about after the flood. For example, Noah wouldn't have taken 2 of every kind of dog (setter, terrier, mastiff...) he would have just had to have taken 2 dogs, and inside those 2 dogs there is enough genetic material to make all the rest of the dog species. In fact, it's possible that he didn't even take any dogs, but just 2 wolves.

There were (of course) several different birds that were taken on board, we know that because of the dove/raven story in today's reading.

People also wonder how he fit all the animals on the ark. Full grown elephants, lions, tigers, giraffes, hippos... take up a lot more space and require more resources than infants of them. So, it's obvious he took very young versions of each kind of animal.

Since he took multiples of each "clean" animal... they could have been fed on goats milk.

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Oh boy

For starters, how can the supernatural have physical DNA?

I know, I know... with God all things are possible right?

But let's say noah made two of some "kinds" and FOURTEEN of others fit in his "boat". For his cargo to produce the millions of species we see today in a mere 4000 years sounds like an avalanche of evolution in such a short period of time that no evolutionay biologist would propose. Although it is preposterous that natural selection works this quickly, you actually make a compelling case FOR evolution.

Yes, yes... he could have taken young pairs, but not before they were weaned, in which case they are often still pretty good size.

And let's say they could all metabolize and be nourished with "goat's milk". You need more than eight people just to feed them several times a day.
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Pretty much answered your own question right there, didn't you. I don't know how God did it, I just know that he did.

Oh and you can create a new breed of dog that will breed true within 7 generations, and that's without Gods intervention (think goldendoodle). Who says that Noah didn't take two wolves on and those two wolves gave birth to all the different types of dogs there are today?


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Pretty much answered your own question right there, didn't you. I don't know how God did it, I just know that he did.

Oh and you can create a new breed of dog that will breed true within 7 generations, and that's without Gods intervention (think goldendoodle). Who says that Noah didn't take two wolves on and those two wolves gave birth to all the different types of dogs there are today?
Take a pair of pure bull mastiffs and produce mini dachshunds. I'll give you 7000 generations and guarantee it won't happen. There would have to be genetic diversity from interbreeding and you don't have this with just one pair of wolves.
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Pretty much answered your own question right there, didn't you. I don't know how God did it, I just know that he did.

Oh and you can create a new breed of dog that will breed true within 7 generations, and that's without Gods intervention (think goldendoodle). Who says that Noah didn't take two wolves on and those two wolves gave birth to all the different types of dogs there are today?

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Take a pair of pure bull mastiffs and produce mini dachshunds. I'll give you 7000 generations and guarantee it won't happen. There would have to be genetic diversity from interbreeding and you don't have this with just one pair of wolves.
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Sure, I'd take your bet if I actually thought you would be around to pay up. As long as I get to pick the bullmastiffs I breed (one of my favourite breeds btw).

And you completely missed the fact that you said it yourself, "with God all things are possible". Even evolutionists say that mini dachshunds came from wolves.


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Sure, I'd take your bet if I actually thought you would be around to pay up. As long as I get to pick the bullmastiffs I breed (one of my favourite breeds btw).

And you completely missed the fact that you said it yourself, "with God all things are possible". Even evolutionists say that mini dachshunds came from wolves.

Well, I am partial to them too, as I've had two Rotties and was not the mastiff bred with another to produce them? But two AKC BMs do NOT have enough genetic variety to EVER produce mini dachshunds.

I'll accept the copout that with God all is possible, as it is what I expected.

I do love dogs (as pets, NOT partners), so we have one thing in common.
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