Welcome, from an atheis agnostic, formerly saved man

[yourhamster]

Well, I found your forum earlier today, and I decided I'd post some words of wisdom, and see how I get received.

I was raised by a Christian mother and a non-believing father.
I really believed in the bible, until I read it. I later found it to be full of many contradictions, circular reasoning, and just plain immoral teachings. You may wish of me examples, I will list a few;

(Andrew: God exists. God gives people's lives meaning.
Lucy: God does not exist. God is a contradiction and therefore cannot exist in reality.
Andrew: That is just your opinion, it is no less valid than mine.
Lucy: It is not opinion, it is fact, which is valid. Your opinion is invalid.
Andrew: How do you know you are right, and I'm not?
Lucy: Because I have a rational argument to prove I am correct.
Andrew: But how do you know rationality is correct?
Lucy: Because the rational validity of a set of arguments is how well they conform to reality.
Andrew: Whose reality? Yours maybe, but not mine.
Lucy:
1. Reality is objective.
2. Rationality is valid.
3. The rational validity and truth value of a statement is how well it conforms to objective reality.) Giant contradiction, I'll continue;

Omnipotence is an attribute which means unlimited in power - without limitations to action. This attribute is paradoxical and can be shown as impossible through the following argument: Question: Can an omnipotent entity, X, create a rock that X can not lift? If yes, then X is not omnipotent; if no, then X is not omnipotent.
Therefore X is not omnipotent
Therefore god is a contradiction, therefore god cannot exist in reality.

Teaching Creationism on an equal level as Evolution is similar to teaching our knowledge about pregnancy next to the tale of the stork.

Circular reasoning is on the list of logical fallacies.


I refuse to reply to anyone, unless they can rebut every one of these arguments against God (I know I won't get a response unless I spell and capitalize everything correctly, anything to avoid answering a question that you have no answer to, I guess)

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Welcome, from an atheis agnostic, formerly saved man

Who are Andrew and Lucy?

How old are you, little girl?

[yourhamster]

Re: Welcome, from an atheis agnostic, formerly saved man

Who are Andrew and Lucy?

How old are you, little girl?

Thank you muchly, you have proven every one of my points.
You avoided the obvious points I made by pointing out one minor flaw in my argument. Sorry I didn't introduce two fictional people.
Andrew and Lucy are two youths used as an example of a debate about whether or not Jesus Christ, your God could be real.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Welcome, from an atheis agnostic, formerly saved man

Thank you muchly, you have proven every one of my points.
You avoided the obvious points I made by pointing out one minor flaw in my argument. Sorry I didn't introduce two fictional people.
Andrew and Lucy are two youths used as an example of a debate about whether or not Jesus Christ, your God could be real.

So you plagarized that little dialogue from some other website? That's a federal crime up in Canada you know.

How old are you?

[yourhamster]

Re: Welcome, from an atheis agnostic, formerly saved man

So you plagarized that little dialogue from some other website? That's a federal crime up in Canada you know.

How old are you?

Thank you for proving my points even further, please rebut the points I researched before I laugh so hard that I explode from the inside. Yes, I used research from an amazing forum community, that I believe wholeheartedly with. Especially the owner, Satan. I'll even give you a link, you should sign up so that the completely rational people (search for Sythe, Shredderbeam, and Finniscool, you'll rather like them, especially the last, he's a homosexual)

[evil link removed], please visit the SFA forums under your name on this site, I look forward to laughing uncontrollably at your responses.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Welcome, from an atheis agnostic, formerly saved man

Listen missy, I don't come to your house and tell to stop abusing yourself to pictures of teen heartthrobs, do I? Don't come stomping into our forum making demands! And just because our Godly Pastor asked your age does not mean we do not plan on answering your pagan, God-mocking questions.

Have a little patience girl. Do you have the ADHD or something?

[Wide-Open]

Re: Welcome, from an atheis agnostic, formerly saved man

We may have to tred carefully Brother Portway. This girl is threatening us with self-combustion. The DoF is in DoFCon 3 after this hatecrime.

[yourhamster]

Re: Welcome, from an atheis agnostic, formerly saved man

Listen missy, I don't come to your house and tell to stop abusing yourself to pictures of teen heartthrobs, do I? Don't come stomping into our forum making demands! And just because our Godly Pastor asked your age does not mean we do not plan on answering your pagan, God-mocking questions.

Have a little patience girl. Do you have the ADHD or something?

I'm showing you how annoying it is when people avoid questions, also I am not a girl. Even if I was, would it mean anything? Christian extremists should be punished.

I love how one of your all so mighty pastors posts the ten commandments, specifically, Thou shall not murder, and the punishment, and later says to kill. If you cannot at least answer this point, I see no point in debating with you.

I also love that my name has been changed, and I had a link to one (omg he's gonna swear!{watch as this is the only point challenged}) fucking good site with amazing points disproving your pointless religion. If you can answer my questions, do it.

Also, I'm not being impatient and making demands, I'll give you time to read your book of hypocricy and quote every verse, in following I will take the point to rebut every one of your points. Also I am between the ages of 16 and 21, with an IQ of 160.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Welcome, from an atheis agnostic, formerly saved man

Thanks for the tip Pastor. I'll keep my KJV1611 at my side, just to be sure.

To get back to the "questions" Gerbilgirl brought up:

You are yet another God-denying Rationalist I assume? Have you ever read the Bible? Have you? I seriously doubt it. Because a very central theme in God's book is Faith.

We get lots of your type in here, wanting us to PROVE God exists. Well, since your such a smarty pants, prove he DOES NOT exist.

I'll wait for your response.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Welcome, from an atheis agnostic, formerly saved man

So you know your exact IQ but not your age. Wow, your mother must be quite a prize. Was she a drunk or something? How come you don't know how old you are?

Anyway, as far as Exodus 20:13 is concerned, it is well known that it is a mistranslation that should read "Thou shalt not murder."

The Bible is full of the Lord commanding His people to kill, to stone sinners to death, etc. Killing in the name of God is not only OK, it is encouraged innumerable times in the Bible.

Next question.

[yourhamster]

Re: Welcome, from an atheis agnostic, formerly saved man

Thanks for the tip Pastor. I'll keep my KJV1611 at my side, just to be sure.

To get back to the "questions" Gerbilgirl brought up:

You are yet another God-denying Rationalist I assume? Have you ever read the Bible? Have you? I seriously doubt it. Because a very central theme in God's book is Faith.

We get lots of your type in here, wanting us to PROVE God exists. Well, since your such a smarty pants, prove he DOES NOT exist.

I'll wait for your response.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russel%27s_Teapot

Faith is simply belief without proof.

faith   /feɪθ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [feyth] Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1.confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability. 2.belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact. 3.belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims. 4.belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty. 5.a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith. 6.the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith. 7.the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles. 8.Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved.
This is my response, I need refute no further thanks to Russel's Teapot. I have read 2 versions of the bible fully, and half of the King James version. Also, I am not a girl, as you would like to faithfully believe. (haha, you believe without proof that I'm a girl, so this is used in proper context as well)

[Wide-Open]

Re: Welcome, from an atheis agnostic, formerly saved man

You come up with a (badly formatted) extract from wickedpedia, run by Joos and atheists, and you want us to accept THAT as proof?

We believe in the Lord, and we go to Heaven. You believe in a teapot, and will go to hell.

Next question. Kitchen utensils are my specialty.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Welcome, from an atheis agnostic, formerly saved man

WICKERPODEIA LINK SNIPPED

This is my response, I need refute no further thanks to Russel's Teapot. I have read 2 versions of the bible fully, and half of the King James version. Also, I am not a girl, as you would like to faithfully believe. (haha, you believe without proof that I'm a girl, so this is used in proper context as well)

Fine, you're a guy. Happy now? Try using a name that doesn't include a girly pet next time to avoid confusion.

So you've read HALF of the One True Bible© and your a Biblical scholar now? Well, before I was saved, I used to watch ER quite a bit. That makes me a doctor!

Please, you know nothing of our faith. Zero, nada, zip, zilcho. The concept of Faith is so very difficult for you Rationalists to understand, isn't it? It's sad really, that you only believe what you can see, touch, taste, or feel. You must lead a very empty life.

While we lead lives full of the burning, white-hot love of Jesus! Praise! He fills our every waking hour with Glory! And that's just here on earth. We have Heaven to look forward to, for ETERNITY!

All you have to look forward to is rotting away. But when Satan has his way with you in Hell, you'll wish you were just lying in the ground, slowly turning into dirt, I can assure you of that!

[yourhamster]

Re: Welcome, from an atheis agnostic, formerly saved man

You come up with a (badly formatted) extract from wickedpedia, run by Joos and atheists, and you want us to accept THAT as proof?

We believe in the Lord, and we go to Heaven. You believe in a teapot, and will go to hell.

Next question. Kitchen utensils are my specialty.

WOW! Noone has responded to my first post thoroughly, I am being very lenient with you. Let me make a good example, since the wikipedia article apparently isn't good enough.

If;
I wrote a 2000 page book in Elizibethan English (made in the 16-1700's) and told everyone it was law, would you believe it?
OF COURSE NOT!!!! So why do you believe in a book, written by mortal men, that's written in Elizibethan? I'll go to bed now, I'll give you 10 hours to rebut or refute every point I've made, and then, maybe, I'll feel lenient enough to refute your so called evidence.

Also, let's look at something your head pastor has told us. He said that where science (rationality) has contradicted the bible (a fairy tale), you will believe the fairy tale. Congrats, get out of your PJ's and go to bed.

Let's see 144,000 "true" Christians in this world. Hmmm, 6.7B people in this world, looks like you're outnumbered. Yes, the masses have been wrong before, however, this seems to big of number.

Hmmm... what else... the universe is ~15B years old, how do you explain this?

The human race is .25M years old, religion, 2000 years old.

Also, what color do you believe Jesus to be?

Good night, and good luck.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

Re: Welcome, from an atheis agnostic, formerly saved man

Good night lil' hamster boy! Do come back!