[Goatski]

Re: Aryan Subraces

White Lodge

"That ancient collection of pure souls who maintain the highest and most sacred of sciences: White Magic or White Tantra. It is called White due to its purity and cleanliness. This “Brotherhood” or “Lodge” includes human beings of the highest order from every race, culture, creed and religion, and of both sexes."

Yes, human beings of the highest order.

[Gnostic Apprentice]

Re: Aryan Subraces

You may call me Han Gebur. "Goatski" is a word an administrator inserted as my username. Nothing more.

Greetings Han Gebur.

Does the student teach the Master?

Instead of sitting here and debating about who has more Gnosis, or who is a true Gnostic or not a true Gnostic, etc.; let us focus on the facts. Also, those who claim to be Masters usually are not Masters, but are often mythomaniacs.

However, the "European" form is the form in which the gods manifest.

"The First Root Race was gigantic and black in color...."

"They are the Glacial Men, who, for the good of this poor suffering humanity, still exist."

"Individuals of such a group which correspond to the first race.... ...have preserved their original purity."

"Presently, the members of such a group, have a beautiful human size and presence similar to our own. They have perfect bodies of flesh and bone, and great wisdom. Indeed, they are the living prototype of what all of the populace of the Earth should be."

- Gazing At the Mystery

Yes I've shortened the above quotes by clipping them, but if you read the actual book Gazing at the Mystery for yourself, you will see that what I've quoted is still in the proper context.

"Among the masters of the White Lodge, not one wears a black hood. The Master Zanoni (a White Master), dresses in a black tunic and wears a distinguished mantle of the same color, but never a black hood. This is because the black hood is only for black magicians."

– The Revolution of Beelzebub

It doesn't matter if somebody who has Solar Bodies and who has experienced thousands of Maha-Samadhis claims otherwise. There is no room here for any contrary interpretation of the above two quotes from Samael Aun Weor.

What you've done in this thread is actually inverted the teachings of Samael Aun Weor; by claiming that the Divine prototype of the Gods is of the white European race, and by insisting that it is okay for a Gnostic student to condone a black hood, even if it's just a black hood of a black winter coat.

If a Gnostic student has to wear a winter coat that has a black hood because they cannot afford a new coat, and they make sure to as much as possible NOT actually wear the hood itself, but just the coat; it is one thing.

But for a Gnostic student to justify it's depiction in their forum-avatar, is an entirely different thing. I'm NOT saying that your depicting of a black hood in your forum-avatar necessarily makes you a black magician. Perhaps you are merely depicting it out of ignorance only. So please do not take this personally.

I'll give you even more benefit of the doubt, and consider that maybe you are only depicting a black hood as to disguise yourself, in order to blend in more within this den of fanaticism and Javhe-worship of which we are posting in.

Yes, human beings of the highest order.

"...from every race, culture, creed and religion, and of both sexes."

Again, nothing personal. Let us discuss the facts only.

[Gnostic Apprentice]

Re: Aryan Subraces

Allow me to re-quote H.P. Blavatsky with added text, in order to give a better context for my previous post where I've quoted here:

"Skepticism may sneer; faith, based on knowledge and spiritual science, believes and affirms.

"Our present cycle is preeminently one of such soul-deaths. We elbow soulless men and women at every step in life. Neither can we wonder, in the present state of things, at the gigantic failure of Hegel's and Schelling's last efforts at some metaphysical construction of a system. When facts, palpable and tangible facts of phenomenal Spiritualism happen daily and hourly, and yet are denied by the majority of "civilized" nations, little chance is there for the acceptance of purely abstract metaphysics by the ever-growing crowd of materialists."

"Besides, there are many good reasons why the study of magic, except in its broad philosophy, is nearly impracticable in Europe and America. Magic being what it is, the most difficult of all sciences to learn experimentally -- its acquisition is practically beyond the reach of the majority of white-skinned people; and that, whether their effort is made at home or in the East. Probably not more than one man in a million of European blood is fitted -- either physically, morally, or psychologically -- to become a practical magician, and not one in ten millions would be found endowed with all these three qualifications as required for the work. Civilized nations lack the phenomenal powers of endurance, both mental and physical, of the Easterns; the favoring temperamental idiosyncrasies of the Orientals are utterly wanting in them.

"In the Hindu, the Arabian, the Thibetan, an intuitive perception of the possibilities of occult natural forces in subjection to human will, comes by inheritance; and in them, the physical senses as well as the spiritual are far more finely developed than in the Western races. Notwithstanding the notable difference of thickness between the skulls of a European and a Southern Hindu, this difference, being a purely climatic result, due to the intensity of the sun's rays, involves no psychological principles. Furthermore, there would be tremendous difficulties in the way of training, if we can so express it. Contaminated by centuries of dogmatic superstition, by an ineradicable -- though quite unwarranted -- sense of superiority over those whom the English term so contemptuously "niggers," the white European would hardly submit himself to the practical tuition of either Kopt, Brahman, or Lama. To become a neophyte, one must be ready to devote himself heart and soul to the study of mystic sciences. Magic -- most imperative of mistresses -- brooks no rival. Unlike other sciences, a theoretical knowledge of formulai without mental capacities or soul powers, is utterly useless in magic. The spirit must hold in complete subjection the combativeness of what is loosely termed educated reason, until facts have vanquished cold human sophistry."

– Isis Unveiled

[Goatski]

Re: Aryan Subraces

Instead of sitting here and debating about who has more Gnosis, or who is a true Gnostic or not a true Gnostic, etc.; let us focus on the facts.

I am not debating anything with you. Debate is for the ignoramous.

One can give directions, place road markers or hold the hand of another to guide them to a destination, but no amount of guidance will ever be as valuable to you as putting one foot in front of the other. The effort cannot be mine, but yours.

Also, those who claim to be Masters usually are not Masters, but are often mythomaniacs.

And you know this because you read it in a book? Contemplate this notion for a moment.





The ideas of others: You can accept them or you can deny them. That is a simple task. But can you live them? Can you experience Truth for yourself? That is what Gnosis is.

It is easy to intellectualize the works of Masters. Crude memorization and ideological regurgitation serves no purpose. What do you gain from such practices?

Tell me, if you are neither initiate nor adept of the Greater Mysteries how are you then qualified to support the validity of anything a Master says. How do you then deem who is and is not a Master? Samuel Aun Weor did not publish a single book for the purpose of force feeding dogma to the masses. Take hold of the map provided and make your way through the Narrow Path. The Being does not require Samuel Aun Weor.

Yes I've shortened the above quotes by clipping them, but if you read the actual book Gazing at the Mystery for yourself, you will see that what I've quoted is still in the proper context.

Yes, the first terrestrial humanoids of Euclid were the color black. Do you, per chance, think them gods? Do you suppose the term "black" is universally synonymous with the African Negroid? Is a black colored humanioid necessarily the same as a the socio-political concept of a "black man"? Are "black men" literally black by definition?

It doesn't matter if somebody who has Solar Bodies and who has experienced thousands of Maha-Samadhis claims otherwise. There is no room here for any contrary interpretation of the above two quotes from Samael Aun Weor.

People who know everything can learn nothing. Meditate on this.

What you've done in this thread is actually inverted the teachings of Samael Aun Weor; by claiming that the Divine prototype of the Gods is of the white European race, and by insisting that it is okay for a Gnostic student to condone a black hood, even if it's just a black hood of a black winter coat.

I had hoped you would meditate on the quotes I provided from the Book of Matthew and the Holy Quran. There was meaning in them.

If you truly believe that it is the color of a man's attire that defines him, know that it is only that - belief. Lo, superstition.

I'll give you even more benefit of the doubt, and consider that maybe you are only depicting a black hood as to disguise yourself, in order to blend in more within this den of fanaticism and Javhe-worship of which we are posting in.

It is simple a coat that is black. Nothing more.

Again, I advise you meditate upon this and ask yourself, "Where does the Master dwell?" Are you at least practiced in the art of meditation?

[Gnostic Apprentice]

Re: Aryan Subraces

Actually no, "black men" whether physically "black" (with melanin) or internally "black" (Klipoth, hell) are obviously not always literal.

Krishna means "the black one" for example. "Osiris is a Black God", the Black Tezcatlipoca, etc.

As another example, there is White Tantra, Grey/Gray Tantra, and Black Tantra. These terminologies obviously have nothing to do with skin color. Because if they did, then a physical child of a physical "black" person and a physical "white" person, would have gray/grey skin instead of brown skin.

Nevertheless, melanin (the natural chemical which makes skin dark or "black") is something related to and of the Solar Light, because melanin absorbs and transforms the Ultraviolet Solar Light. Those whose skin lacks melanin, get burned by the Sun.

However, this doesn't necessarily imply in the grand scheme of things that any racial feature is superior or inferior to any other racial feature.

This being said, I still don't get where you are getting this idea that that which is related to the "white European form" or features, characteristics, etc. reflects Divinity more than other features or characteristics.

As for your other questions, I'm currently not inclined to talk anymore here about my internal accomplishments or lack thereof. If my egos have created karma here, then I'll answer to my Inner-God and no one else.


Regards

[Goatski]

Re: Aryan Subraces

This being said, I still don't get where you are getting this idea that that which is related to the "white European form" or features, characteristics, etc. reflects Divinity more than other features or characteristics.

I did not get an idea from anywhere. I simply stated the Truth of the matter. That is all.

A truth you are eager to deny regardless of the fact that you are in no position to confirm otherwise, much less deny. Lo, the only correct thing you have done is to not take my word for it.

As for your other questions, I'm currently not inclined to talk anymore here about my internal accomplishments or lack thereof. If my egos have created karma here, then I'll answer to my Inner-God and no one else.

By its nature, which is nature, the ego is ever the source of karma. What are you doing about it?

Will you continue to wallow in intellectual arrogance, blind belief and dogmatism? Or will you take action and live the Drama of Golgotha?

[Gnostic Apprentice]

Re: Aryan Subraces

We obviously disagree, on some level, about the racial aspects of the Gnostic Teachings.

May I ask what was the original purpose of this thread?

And why have you been apparently the only one to put it so bluntly, that white-European features are the ones that reflect Divinity the most; whereas Samael Aun Weor himself and various Gnostic Instructors have not said it so bluntly, that is if they would even agree with your assertion to begin with?

In other words, if this said assertion is what the Gnostic Teachings see as truth (whether it is actually true or not), then why don't Gnostic Instructors who claim to be in contact with Samael Aun Weor come out and say it?

Is it because if they did come out and say it, that they know that other races (and white European who sympathize with other races) would abandon the Gnostic Teachings?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Aryan Subraces

Rev. M. Rodimer, I don't know how many times I have to emphasize that H.P. Blavatsky wrote that only some African tribes are devolving. It's not racism, because she never said that they are devolving because of their race. H.P. Blavatsky also wrote that there are many people of the white race on this planet who are devolving.

So you're saying this is not a true quote from her book?

"Mankind is obviously divided into god-informed men and lower human creatures. The intellectual difference between the Aryan and other civilized nations and such savages as the South Sea Islanders, is inexplicable on any other grounds. No amount of culture, nor generations of training amid civilization, could raise such human specimens as the Bushmen, the Veddhas of Ceylon, and some African Tribes, to the same intellectual level as the Aryans, the Semites, and the Turanians so called. The 'sacred spark' is missing in them and it is they who are the only inferior races on the globe, now happily -- owing to the wise adjustment of nature which ever works in that direction -- fast dying out. Verily mankind is 'of one blood,' but not of the same essence. We are the hot-house, artificially quickened plants in nature, having in us a spark, which in them is latent." - H.P. Blavatsky's "The Secret Doctrine", Vol. 2, page 421

[Gnostic Apprentice]

Re: Aryan Subraces

Did you read the quote from H.P Blavatsky's Isis Unveiled which I've quoted in my recent posts? I don't agree with everything that H.P. Blavatsky wrote either. However, perhaps there are some tribes and groups of people whose Buddha-Nature or divine "spark" is currently in a state of devolution. Although again, H.P. Blavatsky also wrote that many people of the white race's "spark" is currently in a state of devolution too (see the said earlier-posted Isis Unveiled quotes). And, in the very The Secret Doctrine quote that you just quoted, she wrote that only some African tribes are devolving, which implies that many African tribes are not devolving. Therefore she did not say that devolving tribes are devolving because of their race; so her saying that they are devolving, is therefore not racist. If she wrote that they were devolving because of their race (which would be a racist statement), she would not have said that only some African Tribes are devolving. Meaning that she obviously did not say that the tribes who are devolving, are devolving because of their race or skin color. Does this make sense?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Aryan Subraces

Did you read the quote from H.P Blavatsky's Isis Unveiled which I've quoted in my recent posts? I don't agree with everything that H.P. Blavatsky wrote either. However, perhaps there are some tribes and groups of people whose Buddha-Nature or divine "spark" is currently in a state of devolution. Although again, H.P. Blavatsky also wrote that many people of the white race's "spark" is currently in a state of devolution too (see the said earlier-posted Isis Unveiled quotes). And, in the very The Secret Doctrine quote that you just quoted, she wrote that only some African tribes are devolving, which implies that many African tribes are not devolving. Therefore she did not say that devolving tribes are devolving because of their race; so her saying that they are devolving, is therefore not racist. If she wrote that they were devolving because of their race (which would be a racist statement), she would not have said that only some African Tribes are devolving. Meaning that she obviously did not say that the tribes who are devolving, are devolving because of their race or skin color. Does this make sense?

That quote said nothing about "devolving". It said they were inferior and could never be brought up to the level of the superior races, but thankfully, they were dying out rapidly.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

[Gnostic Apprentice]

Re: Aryan Subraces

What part of only some African tribes do you not understand? And again I ask, did you read what I've quoted here from Isis Unveiled? Also, H.P.B. was indeed referring to the process of devolution. However, in order for us to even begin to grasp what she was talking about in full context, we would have to have at the very least an intellectual understanding of the processes of Dependent Origination and Interdependence (related to Karma), and Devolution, Involution, Evolution, and Revolution.

If what H.P. Blavatsky wrote was inherently racist, she would have written that all African Tribes are devolving. Yet, she did not say any such thing. Did you read the said quote I've posted here from Isis Unveiled?

Also, in the Theosophical and Gnostic view, people of devolving tribes (or devolving people in general, who do not repent before entering the Second Death) get another chance of attaining true happiness after they have finished undergoing the long and painful process of the Second Death (the process where failed souls pay their karma in the hell realms); whereas in the conventional "Christian" view, they would have to undergo the Second Death for all eternity for not "believing in Jesus". So at least the Gnostic view is both more logical and more compassionate.

[Gnostic Apprentice]

Re: Aryan Subraces

To answer your question, no aesthetic form represents divinity. Even the tenebreous ones may appear beautiful and pure. However, the "European" form is the form in which the gods manifest.

Do you happen to know why the gods supposedly choose to manifest in the "European" form, and not other forms?

It is a black hood of a black winter coat. That is all.

If you truly believe that it is the color of a man's attire that defines him, know that it is only that - belief. Lo, superstition.

I do not believe such a thing. Although I do want to ask, what was Samael Aun Weor referring to when he wrote that all White Magicians never wear a black hood? Are you implying that he was referring to in the Internal Planes only?


Anyway, I've recently read some of your older posts here and this post, in the context of this thread is interesting.

[Gnostic Apprentice]

Re: Aryan Subraces

To clarify, the first post on this page is addressed to Rev. M. Rodimer, and the second post on this page is obviously addressed to Han Gebur.

[Goatski]

Re: Aryan Subraces

Do you happen to know why the gods supposedly choose to manifest in the "European" form, and not other forms?

It is the most refined, evolutionarily exemplary and conveys the highest beautiful of this planet. The Caucasoid morphology is the apex of humanoid aestheticism on this world.

I do not believe such a thing. Although I do want to ask, what was Samael Aun Weor referring to when he wrote that all White Magicians never wear a black hood? Are you implying that he was referring to in the Internal Planes only?

Did he say, "No white magician" or "No master"? What is the context of his statement? Do you, per chance, think that the White Lodge dictates the color and attire of the black lodges? Do you, per chance, believe that it is physically impossible for a black magician to wear a white hood? These are things you should ponder.

There is no such thing as an evil color. There is no such thing as an evil garment. You forget that Aun Weor is not the Master. Samael is the Master. Samael, the Master, walks in the superior sephirah. In the superior realms a black hood, a black hat, a black bandana, any black item covering the head signifies something. It is language that is seen as much as understood. It conveys a meaning and presents itself outside the constraints of 48 laws.

I hope you will take up meditation. You seek answers from me, but in Truth I say unto you, the answer is within you.

Anyway, I've recently read some of your older posts here and this post, in the context of this thread is interesting.

That post and even this thread were created over 3 years ago. Three years are a lite stroll for some, a brisk jog for many and a great journey for few (for better or worse). In the greater majority of cases, not a single step is taken. I count myself amongst the few.

To answer your question, the 3 year old post you are inquiring about has no context to this thread today. That black rebellion is all but cosmic dust. Lo, the chorus of those traitors has been silenced.

[Gnostic Apprentice]

Re: Aryan Subraces

It is the most refined, evolutionarily exemplary and conveys the highest beautiful of this planet. The Caucasoid morphology is the apex of humanoid aestheticism on this world.

This statement to me is a rather subjective view. Although I digress, as each one is entitled to their own view.

Did he say, "No white magician" or "No master"? What is the context of his statement? Do you, per chance, think that the White Lodge dictates the color and attire of the black lodges? Do you, per chance, believe that it is physically impossible for a black magician to wear a white hood? These are things you should ponder.

There is no such thing as an evil color. There is no such thing as an evil garment. You forget that Aun Weor is not the Master. Samael is the Master. Samael, the Master, walks in the superior sephirah. In the superior realms a black hood, a black hat, a black bandana, any black item covering the head signifies something. It is language that is seen as much as understood. It conveys a meaning and presents itself outside the constraints of 48 laws.

Of course it is physically possible that a black magician might wear a white hood. And Samael Aun Weor did not say that a black hat, or a black bandana, or black shawl, etc. is never worn by White Masters. But he did write that a black hood is never worn by White Masters because a black hood is only for black magicians. If not in the physical world, then in the internal worlds.

I hope you will take up meditation. You seek answers from me, but in Truth I say unto you, the answer is within you.

Inverential Peace