[Twiggy]

Re: BAN anaesthetics during childbirth: God wants women to suffer

And this is why I don't want children

[Jedediah]

Re: BAN anaesthetics during childbirth: God wants women to suffer

And this is why I don't want children

Are you a woman? If so, you had better want children! Or do you want to burn in hell for all eternity?

I Timothy 2:13-15
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

[godgivesmewings]

Re: BAN anaesthetics during childbirth: God wants women to suffer

Could someone explain this? I love God, and I really want to understand, but I just dont.

[Jedediah]

Re: BAN anaesthetics during childbirth: God wants women to suffer

Could someone explain this? I love God, and I really want to understand, but I just dont.

What specifically do you not understand? The Word of God seems pretty clear to me. Maybe you should stop trying to think for yourself so much and instead put your faith in Him.

Proverbs 3:5-6

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

[Twiggy]

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Are you a woman? If so, you had better want children! Or do you want to burn in hell for all eternity?

Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.[/COLOR]

I thought I could just try and continue with faith and charity etc, we've got enough of an over population problem as it is. Maybe adoption. I just don't fancy the whole giving birth bit, it sounds painful and I spent a month in hospital last summer and would rather not go in one ever again if I can help it.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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I thought I could just try and continue with faith and charity etc, we've got enough of an over population problem as it is. Maybe adoption. I just don't fancy the whole giving birth bit, it sounds painful and I spent a month in hospital last summer and would rather not go in one ever again if I can help it.

Does burning in Hell for all eternity sound pleasurable by comparison?

[BibleThumpp]

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Does burning in Hell for all eternity sound pleasurable by comparison?

Burning in hell seems pleasurable in comparison to the delusional individuals in this forum. I'm guessing you believe we should not use aspirin? You sound like a moron TBQH. Please reassess your outlook on life, maybe God will accept you.

[Teabagging Mom]

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Burning in hell seems pleasurable in comparison to the delusional individuals in this forum. I'm guessing you believe we should not use aspirin? You sound like a mormon TBQH. Please reassess your outlook on life, maybe God will accept you.

When I first saw your name I thought it was Baby Bump Ha Ha ha, but you don't sound like someone who loves the Lord, even though He was raised from the dead on the Third Day and sits on a throne with Him, do you? Can I save you? Because I'm going to Norway to be a missionary with Mr. Bill, and I'll be able to fix you up with Jesus, when I 'm done with my Bible training. Also, I know a lot about having babies since I had two, and when Toby was born, Duane took off with his she-mail and left me on the floor, where I gasped and pushed until Toby was born. And then I woke up in the hospital, so it can be done, when it's the Lord's will.

[The immolated]

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Burning in hell seems pleasurable in comparison to the delusional individuals in this forum. I'm guessing you believe we should not use aspirin? You sound like a mormon TBQH. Please reassess your outlook on life, maybe God will accept you.

I can assure you that it is you that is deluded.
The Lord God does not delude his faithful.


Praise be to God .

[The immolated]

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My apologies for the double post.


If God made it so that women should suffer during childbirth then that is how it should be. There are no two ways about it, this is his will and his will be done!

[DMDBeast]

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Okay whoa, whoa, and a whoa, are you all actually advocating violence toward women? Beating them? and forcing them to experience pain? You realize that's called DOMESTIC ABUSE and is actually AGAINST THE LAW, honestly i'm forced to ask are you all retarded?

[ebilly99]

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Okay whoa, whoa, and a whoa, are you all actually advocating violence toward women? Beating them? and forcing them to experience pain? You realize that's called DOMESTIC ABUSE and is actually AGAINST THE LAW, honestly i'm forced to ask are you all retarded?

Not Violence... Love. If I love my wife then I would be wrong not to let her know when she messed up, and even worse if it ended up Damning her. Now she is to obay me, and if she does not she will burn in hell (Not my words the bible) Now I love my wife but when we first married she did not obey everything I said, So I just told her again with my fist... Funny how my hand is a better talker... Consider this though, If I had not hit her then she would burn forever in hell, So I had no other choice unless I was truly evil

[RighteousSpeecher]

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I'm 7-months pregnant (I was raped by my uncle and decided to marry him since it was God's will). But suffering is kind of a gothic thing, isn't it ? I don't want to be mistaken with those evil sick persons who seek pain to feel closer to Satan ! What should I do ?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

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I'm 7-months pregnant (I was raped by my uncle and decided to marry him since it was God's will). But suffering is kind of a gothic thing, isn't it ? I don't want to be mistaken with those evil sick persons who seek pain to feel closer to Satan ! What should I do ?

Just put your faith in God. The baby will come out on its own. Doctors are for atheists, who lack faith.

Exodus 15:26 (King James Version) 26And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.


Deuteronomy 7:15 (King James Version) 15And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.


Psalm 103:1-5 (King James Version) 1Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name. 2Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: 3Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases; 4Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies; 5Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's.


Psalm 103:2-3 (King James Version) 2Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: 3Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth all thy diseases;


Psalm 107:19-20 (King James Version) 19Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, and he saveth them out of their distresses. 20He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.


Psalm 147:3 (King James Version) 3He healeth the broken in heart, and bindeth up their wounds.


Proverbs 3:7-8 (King James Version) 7Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil. 8It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.


Isaiah 19:22 (King James Version) 22And the LORD shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the LORD, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.


Isaiah 53:5 (King James Version) 5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.


Isaiah 57:17-18 (King James Version) 17For the iniquity of his covetousness was I wroth, and smote him: I hid me, and was wroth, and he went on frowardly in the way of his heart. 18I have seen his ways, and will heal him: I will lead him also, and restore comforts unto him and to his mourners.


Jeremiah 30:12-14, 17 12For thus saith the LORD, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous. 13There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines. 14All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased.17For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.


Malachi 4:2 (King James Version) 2But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

[roshna]

Re: BAN anaesthetics during childbirth: God wants women to suffer!

Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

As we all know, one of the main objectives of modern monkey-worshiping medical scientists is to brainwash hapless women into disobeying the Bible, God and their husbands.

There are several ways they do this: for example, psychiatrists unanimously promote the demonic notions of Freudian psychology, instead of the Biblical Truth™: demonic possession makes people act weird. That’s how it is, folks.

Today, however, I want to talk about childbirth anaesthesia. It is a shockingly common practice at hospitals nowadays to alleviate the pain of a woman in childbirth using anaesthetics. This, however, is utterly demonic and reprehensible, and an act of rebellion against God.

Why is this? Well, after Eve caused the Fall of Man, God says to her:

Genesis 3:16:
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

That is right: women should suffer great pains during childbirth: it is God’s punishment upon the female gender for bringing sin into the world! Let us pause a moment to say thanks to the Lord for His Divine Love and Justice!

Psalm 48:9-14:
We have thought of thy lovingkindness, O God, in the midst of thy temple.
According to thy name, O God, so is thy praise unto the ends of the earth: thy right hand is full of righteousness.
Let mount Zion rejoice, let the daughters of Judah be glad, because of thy judgments.
Walk about Zion, and go round about her: tell the towers thereof.
Mark ye well her bulwarks, consider her palaces; that ye may tell it to the generation following.
For this God is our God for ever and ever: he will be our guide even unto death.


Right, let's continue. As always, the Bible is crystal clear on this:

Isaiah 26:15-18:
Thou hast increased the nation, O LORD, thou hast increased the nation: thou art glorified: thou hadst removed it far unto all the ends of the earth.
LORD, in trouble have they visited thee, they poured out a prayer when thy chastening was upon them.
Like as a woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O LORD.
We have been with child, we have been in pain, we have as it were brought forth wind; we have not wrought any deliverance in the earth; neither have the inhabitants of the world fallen.

This verse, which is taken from one of Isaiah’s prophecies about Judah, says the people have been in the Sight of the Lord “as a woman in childbirth,” which confirms that God sees women suffering when bearing children, and that He is watching every time His Just Punishment upon womankind springs into action again.

Another confirmation that God wants women to be in pain:

Micah 4:10:
Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.

Of course, childbirth isn’t actually that much of a punishment, according to Jesus, as He says:

John 16:20-22:
Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.
A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.
And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.

When a son is born to a woman, she should forget her pains, as she is supposed to thank God for the birth of a son. In other words: stop whining. Be glad that God didn’t make you barren, as He did to so many women in the Bible (Genesis 16:1, Genesis 25:28, Genesis 29:31, 1 Samuel 1:5, etc.)!

According to Paul, unbelievers cannot escape from sudden destruction, like women cannot escape from travail during childbirth:

1 Thessalonians 5:1-3:
But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Also, Paul reminds us once again that women brought evil into this world, and that therefore, the pains of childbirth, which is her punishment, shall also be her salvation:

1 Timothy 2:13-15:
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

The first occurrence of using a painkiller to alleviate the rightful suffering of a woman during childbirth occurred was the case of Euphanie Macalyane, who was provided with a medical remedy by Agnes Sampson, a midwife and a witch. True Christian™ King James (yes, that’s the King James, of 1611 King James Bible fame), upon hearing this, burned Macalyane alive for her rebellion. Thank God for King James!

However, things started really going to Hell with god-mocking scientist James Baker Simpson, once living in Scotland, now burning in Hell. He was the first to apply chloroform as an analgesic for childbearing women. Probably, his affinity for narcotic substances started with drinking huge amounts of booze, as Scottish people are prone to do.

Anyway, when he tried to force this method upon all women in his country, there were many True Christians™ who opposed this demonic practice. They sent a short note to all doctors in the country, warning them for this satanic practice:


Source: "Triumph Over Pain" by Rene Fuelop-Miller, pages 324-341

I could hardly have said it better myself: using anaesthetics during childbirth will eventually result in the collapse of society, as the fear of the Lord, the basis of all morality, is kept alive by pain and suffering, like that which occurs during childbirth.

Finally, all diseases and physical and mental troubles ultimately come from God, as He is the one who sends plagues:

Exodus 4:11:
And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

Leviticus 26:16:
I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

As well as all other evils:

Isaiah 45:7:
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

So, any attempt to fight the diseases that God created is a direct attack upon Him. And the Bible warns us for such behaviour:

Isaiah 45:9:
Woe unto him that striveth with his Maker! Let the potsherd strive with the potsherds of the earth. Shall the clay say to him that fashioneth it, What makest thou? or thy work, He hath no hands?

To conclude, I hope I can count on the support of all of you in our attempt to ban this demonic practice from our Godly Country. God meant women to suffer, as a reminder of their guilty conscience in the whole Tree-of-Knowledge fiasco. Alleviating their pain is evil and demonic. Live with it. It’s what God says in the Bible.

Yours in Christ,

True Disciple

I am new to this forum and a strong christian who tasted god truly due to my sufferings. the conversation seems interesting. Just one and only one thing i got to say. if woman have to suffer during childbirth as a punishment from god, then what is the point od jesus christ coming to earth to save all (not only men but also women) from the sin? he says that he will forgive ALL sins not some. The moment a woman or men accept jesus, then the forgiveness happens. Yes God did say that women have t suffer for making sin coming to earth and he also used to kill people straight away when they done an iniquity. But all that rules are changed when jesus came to earth. Again, eve was tricked by satan rather than she willingly made sin to come to world. That is why woman are not equal to men and they are always below men because women are thoughless and easy to fall into the snare of devil. so imagine if you let a woman rule the world, the world would have been upside down. but pregnancy is not a punishment but a gift of god. and God does not give gifts to punish people. Also if you were a woman, then would you want to suffer during childbirth? please answer truthfully to this question. Keeping people away from pain is an act of kindness and helpful mentality. and there are many types of pains and pregnancy is just one of them. If you are not allowed to take pain killers in just one kind of pain(travail) then you shouldnt take pain for any other kinds of pain either. Rather just accept the pain as a punishment from god. (let us not forget the scripture which says jesus came to the earth to forgive sins that happened from the beginning of the world and he will forgive ALL sins of whoever who accepts him(WHICH INCLUDES BOTH MEN AND WOMEN) and that there is no punishment who is now in christ(revelations) So if your women still expect punishment(in the form of travail) even after they say they are in christ, then my brother, they are not truly in christ.