X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Spanking IS God's Will!

    Praise Jesus! A fine Baptist School located in the heart of the sodomy capital of America (Sin Fransisco) has taken a Godly stand in defending the right of Parents to spank their children. In fact, spanking is a Christian DUTY, not just a right. Its all HERE.

    Spanking kids is God's will, El Sobrante church says
    Doctrine may conflict with rod-sparing bill in state Assembly

    Parents who belong to the Bethel Baptist Church in El Sobrante are told in no uncertain terms: Spank your children or oppose God's will.

    The church, which also runs the 200-student Bethel Christian Academy, discourages parents from using their hands and recommends using a "rod" or flexible stick to swat children until their will is broken. But an eight-panel church pamphlet with corporal punishment instructions does encourage using instruments such as hairbrushes, cords or two-by-fours.

    "Corporal punishment is not something you do to the child, it's something you do for the child," said Bethel Pastor David Sutton, who wrote the pamphlet. "Your goal as a parent is to correct the child or get him back on the right path."

    According to the pamphlet, parents who do not practice corporal punishment are depriving their children of the only method God says produces wisdom, and risk directly opposing God's will.

    Though the pamphlet does not describe anything unlawful, Contra Costa County Children and Family Services is concerned about the church's policy, CFS Division Manager Stacie Buchanan said.

    "There's a very fine line between discipline and abuse," she said. "If you go over the line, you risk having us involved."

    Determining abuse can be tricky, depending to some degree on a parent's attitude, Buchanan said. State law defines physical abuse as any corporal punishment that results in injury or a traumatic condition, such as severe bruising.

    The debate over spanking goes beyond just one church's policy, and a bill making its way through the state Assembly could force changes at Bethel Baptist.

    The bill, which passed the Assembly's Public Safety Committee last week, would allow adults to use an open hand to spank a child but prohibit hitting with a stick, switch, rod, closed fist, electrical cord or other objects.

    Bethel Baptist has had problems with its corporal punishment policy. Earlier this year, the Contra Costa Sheriff's Office removed a foster child from the care of a church family, Sutton said. CFS and the sheriff's office declined to comment this week on the removal, but Sutton said it was related to corporal punishment.

    "We guide our lives according to the Bible, not (Children and Family Services)," he said.

    Church policy on corporal punishment is sometimes misunderstood or exaggerated, said Pastor Kent Brandenburg, the leader of the independent church, which is not affiliated with any denomination and bases all church activities on the word of the Bible as written.

    If parents do use corporal punishment, they also should use other methods of discipline such as timeouts and restrictions on activities, Buchanan said

    But the church directs parents to spank for all disobedience, because all other methods are not designed by God.

    "We disagree with timeouts as a family," said Sutton, who has two children. "That's an attack on spanking."

    In a 2001 study, University of California, Berkeley, research psychologists Diana Baumrind and Elizabeth Owens followed 100 families who used light or moderate corporal punishment for 12 years. The study concluded that occasional spanking does not damage a child's social or emotional development.

    Owens said this week that she would rather not comment on the Bethel Baptist Church's spanking policy as a research psychologist. "But I can tell you that as a mother and a person (and a Christian), I found the school's promotion of and instructions for regular spanking of children to be very disturbing," she said.

    Adjunct professor Susan Holloway of the UC Berkeley School of Education said she was particularly alarmed by the pamphlet's recommendation that parents swat their children repeatedly until their will is broken.

    Brandenburg insists that the goal is to break children of bad behavior and return them to a righteous path.
    Praise Jesus is all I can say. Shout AMEN everybody! Jesus demands that we spank! He DEMANDS it! This whole hippie "time out" idea is unBiblical and is sure to turn your baby into a queer. GLORY to GOD!!
    Who Will Jesus Damn?

    Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

    Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

    Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

  • #2
    Re: Spanking IS God's Will!

    I believe in strict discipline, but I honestly think yelling can be just as effective. As for religion, probably nobody should be disciplined if they refuse a certain set of beliefs.

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: Spanking IS God's Will!

      Originally posted by Nightrunner View Post
      I believe in strict discipline, but I honestly think yelling can be just as effective. As for religion, probably nobody should be disciplined if they refuse a certain set of beliefs.
      Really? So if people think that murder is acceptable and raping pigs is a perfectly fine way to spend an afternoon, they shouldn't be disciplined?
      O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.



      God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: Spanking IS God's Will!

        Originally posted by Nightrunner View Post
        I believe in strict discipline, but I honestly think yelling can be just as effective. As for religion, probably nobody should be disciplined if they refuse a certain set of beliefs.
        How many children have you raised, exactly?

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: Spanking IS God's Will!

          There's a huge debate going on here because the government's about to bring an anti smacking bill.

          Very interesting watching the Fundy xtian slappers come up with reasons as to why they should be allowed to beat their kids....which mostly amount to:because the bible says so.
          In order to be old & wise,you must first be young & stupid.

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: Spanking IS God's Will!

            Originally posted by lilith View Post
            There's a huge debate going on here because the government's about to bring an anti smacking bill.

            Very interesting watching the Fundy xtian slappers come up with reasons as to why they should be allowed to beat their kids....which mostly amount to:because the bible says so.
            Unlike you heathens in Godless New Zedland,we Americans have what is called freedom of Christian religion. We are not all forced to practice any number of superstitions, nor do we have to sacrifice babies to pagan demons.

            Anyone in the Godly United States is free to practice Christianity however he sees fit. Women, of course, are free to practice Christianity however their husbands or fathers see fit. As our Godly President's father said in 1987, during his successful Presidential campaign:

            "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." - George HW Bush, August 27, 1987

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: Spanking IS God's Will!

              Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
              Praise Jesus! A fine Baptist School located in the heart of the sodomy capital of America (Sin Fransisco) has taken a Godly stand in defending the right of Parents to spank their children. In fact, spanking is a Christian DUTY, not just a right. Its all HERE.

              Praise Jesus is all I can say. Shout AMEN everybody! Jesus demands that we spank! He DEMANDS it! This whole hippie "time out" idea is unBiblical and is sure to turn your baby into a queer. GLORY to GOD!!
              I am so encouraged by this news and I'm sure our Lord Jesus Christ is smiling (nervously) down on San Fransisssico. But I was disappointed to see that they don't condone the use of hairbrushes and car aerials. Also, would it be possible to change the name of the church to something less Spanish sounding? SOMEWHAT ENCOURAGED GLYNNDIE
              Jesus - gentle, dependable overnight relief.

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: Spanking IS God's Will!

                Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.
                Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.
                Proverbs 23:13-14

                What more needs to be said?
                God want us, His followers, to beat children!
                Last edited by SalvationSeeker; 05-07-2007, 10:21 PM.
                If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: But if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.
                A foolish woman is clamorous: She is simple, and knoweth nothing.
                Proverbs 9:12-13

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: Spanking IS God's Will!

                  Oh I just love a good spanking! Just don't rip my silk panties!

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: Spanking IS God's Will!

                    My,doesn't this subject bring out some interesting posts!
                    In order to be old & wise,you must first be young & stupid.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Re: Spanking IS God's Will!

                      THIS JUST IN! Good news for all Christian parents in the Godless state of Califoricate! Beating your child is legal again! PRAISE JESUS!!


                      ....And they say miracles don't happen any more...
                      Who Will Jesus Damn?

                      Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

                      Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

                      Need Pastoral Advice? Contact me privately at PastorEzekiel@landoverbaptist.net TODAY!!

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Re: Spanking IS God's Will!

                        Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
                        THIS JUST IN! Good news for all Christian parents in the Godless state of Califoricate! Beating your child is legal again! PRAISE JESUS!!


                        ....And they say miracles don't happen any more...

                        Spanking (ie, a swat on the butt) is legal, beating your child black and blue is not.
                        Now that Obama has won the election there will be big black cock for every white woman!!!

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Re: Spanking IS God's Will!

                          A good sound Spanking as a Child turned me into the person I am today.

                          Praise The Lord that my Father was enough of a Man not to be afraid of using whatever came to hand to beat me.

                          Those scars down my back never did heal properly, and every time I see them in a mirror it reminds me of how Jesus suffered for us.

                          Sister Talitha

                          Markswoman, Circumcisionist, Platinum Tither.


                          HE took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha Cumi; which is,
                          being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise!...Mark 5:41



                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Re: Spanking IS God's Will!

                            Originally posted by Pastor Ezekiel View Post
                            THIS JUST IN! Good news for all Christian parents in the Godless state of Califoricate! Beating your child is legal again! PRAISE JESUS!!


                            ....And they say miracles don't happen any more...
                            This is certainly joyous news, Pastor Zeke. But this being the state of Califoricate I wonder if there are more sinister and perverse motives going on here. Porn Valley (San Fernando Valley) is the heart of the state's billion-dollar porn industry.
                            Hell's foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
                            brothers, lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.
                            ...and get off my lawn
                            sigpic

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Re: Spanking IS God's Will!

                              Originally posted by Dances with Joy View Post
                              Spanking (ie, a swat on the butt) is legal, beating your child black and blue is not.
                              A spanking is not just "a swat on the butt." That would make it a spank.

                              He who loves his child spares not the rod of correction Ms Palmolive. This is why you shouldn't use your hand. A rod, no bigger round than your thumb, usually work for younger children. After the age of seven for girls and five for boys 2x4's, studded leather belts, and hickory limbs become more viable.
                              "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. . . . And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the manservant's do."
                              (Leviticus 21:6-7)

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X