What the Bible says about Free markets, capitalism, regulation, micromanagement etc.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

People have said that we are "hypocrites" because we oppose laws regulating pollution, tainted meat, "slavery" etc. while seeking to regulate people's bodies and private lives. They ask "if you can't trust government to figure out if lead poisoning is a good idea or not, why are you trusting government to wiretap, stripsearch, and execute US citizens without trial, and micromanage medieval societies on the other side of the world whose names you can't even spell?" If they read the Bible they would see how consistent we are.

The Bible supports free markets because wealthy property owners already follow Gods law. They are True Christians by definition (In the house of the righteous is much treasure: but in the revenues of the wicked is trouble: Proverbs 15:6)

In fact, many regulations are actually anti-regulations: they make it against the rules for a property owner to make and enforce rules. For example, we can't have rules to segragate drinking fountains, or do virginity tests on potential secretaries, etc. As more public places are privatized, we are seeing people arrested on new charges - for example, two men where arrested for holding hands in a privatized park in Utah. In a proper free-market, where everything is privately owned by people who are free to make as many rules as they want, things will be more tightly regulated and micromanaged. The difference is that God's Chosen will be doing the micromanaging.

Granted, some of the richest people in the world are Saudi Arabians, but even if they are hellbound they are doing God's work. We know this because God is rewarding them. If they were not doing God's work, they would be poor.

So, as we've always said, you can't expect a micromanager in Washington to properly figure out if inhaling lead particles is healthy or not. After all, the Bible says nothing about that, except that we aren't suppose to worry about what we eat, or if we will even eat at all: (Matthew 6:34, Matthew 6.25) because we are living in The Final Days: (Mt.16:28, Mt.23:36, Mt.24:34, Mt.26:64, Mk.9:1, Mk.13:30, Lk.9:27, Lk.21:32, Phil.4:5, Heb.1:2, Rev.22:20)

However, who to kill, and who to invade, is clearly set out by the Bible. For who to invade (and then kill) the Bible says, well, pretty much everybody. The Middle East is named specifically (Joshua 1:3-4) as is Africa: (Ethiopia (old term for all of Africa), and Libya, and Lydia, and all the mingled people, and Chub, and the men of the land that is in league, shall fall with them by the sword. - Ezekiel 30:5) It is also God's Will that sinful and non-Christian countries be exterminated (Deuteronomy 2:33-34, Numbers 21:34-35, 1 Samuel 15:2-3, Joshua 6:21. Joshua 10:40) so that covers everyone else. This will save time for Jesus when he comes to destroy the earth in a couple of days (Revelation 9:7-10, Revelation 11:5-10).

In short, we support free markets, and freedom isn't free™. We support limited government: government that limits the rights of non-Christians.

[SeraphSalvation]

Re: What the Bible says about Free markets, capitalism, regulation, micromanagement etc.

But was it not said that the meek, the poor, will inherit the Earth? Didn't Jesus teach of compassion, of loving thy neighbor? Is it not said in Luke 1:49-53 that

49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. 50 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. 51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. 52 He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. 53 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. ?


Then again, in Matthew 19:16-24 (the same event is also described in Mark 10:17-25 and Luke 18:18-25, and the metaphor of a camel going through the eye of a needle is common to both Matthew and Luke).

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why do you ask me about what is good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Once again, in Leviticus 25:35-38: "If one [...] becomes poor [...] help him [...] so he can continue to live among you. Do not take interest of any kind from him, but fear your God [...] You must not lend him money at interest or sell him food at a profit. I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt to give you the land of Canaan and to be your God." and Acts 4:32-35, "All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had [...] there were no needy persons among them [...] the money [...] was distributed to anyone as he had need." As well as Acts 2:42-47, "They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching [...] to the breaking of bread [...] everyone was filled with awe [...] all the believers were together and had everything in common [...] they gave to anyone as he had need. Every day they [...] ate together with glad and sincere hearts [...] "


Capitalism had begun with pure, clean, godly intentions. But it has been twisted by the hand of the Devil, allowed by our sins of pride and gluttony.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: What the Bible says about Free markets, capitalism, regulation, micromanagement etc.

Interesting how when it comes to scripture all liberals quote the same 3 sentences over and over. If God had wanted us to be liberals, the Bible would come on the back of a postcard, rather than being 1500 pages long.

What even goes on at a Church that believes the Bible consists of 3 sentences? Must get awfully repetitive.

But was it not said that the meek, the poor, will inherit the Earth?

That's why they don't need our help. Getting the entire Earth (after we're raptured) and they still want more? Talk about insatiable greed.

Didn't Jesus teach of compassion, of loving thy neighbour?

Who is my neighbour? Jesus says that our neighbours are those who follow His will. He also says that those who follow his will - who are my neighbours - are made wealthy. So if you're not wealthy, you're not following His will, so you're not my neighbour.

Capitalism had begun with pure, clean, godly intentions.

Wait, WHAT? The Road to hell is paved with good intentions. Capitalism succeeds because it has none. Please tell us your history of capitalism. This should be entertaining.

[Jeb Stuart Thurmond]

Re: What the Bible says about Free markets, capitalism, regulation, micromanagement etc.

Please tell us your history of capitalism. This should be entertaining.

Oh, suddenly found something more important to do? Typical.

Then again, in Matthew 19:16-24 (the same event is also described in Mark 10:17-25 and Luke 18:18-25, and the metaphor of a camel going through the eye of a needle is common to both Matthew and Luke). a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.[/I] 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

And do you really believe that the vast majority of wealthy people are going to burn in hell?

How rich is "rich", exactly?

Because by the standards of Biblical times, pretty much everybody today is stinking rich. Economists have estimated that only people in Afghanistan and the Congo are poorer today than people were in antiquity. When Jesus said "man cannot live on bread alone" it was because back then most people LITERALLY ate bread alone, washing down with "wine" which was closer to vinegar by modern standards. Romans were so malnourished that they were physically stunted, when they came across the milk-drinking Germans they considered them to be giants. That's a rich man in Biblical times: someone who has milk. Hence "land of milk and honey" is a huge deal, when today every convenience store regularly pours expired milk pour the drain by the gallon.

Even by today's standards, the fact that you have education and access to a computer means you've got hundreds of times more money than a lot of people. Billions of people consider YOU to be stinking rich.

Lenin may have killed and imprisoned aristocrats, but he didn't send anyone whose with access to milk & honey to eternal torture. If you turn out to be right, if you can prove that Jesus is worse than Lenin, I'll become an atheist.

Once again, in Leviticus 25:35-38: You must not lend him money at interest or sell him food at a profit..

CAN'T SELL FOOD AT A PROFIT? So, under your economic system, we just hope that all farmers, and everybody involved in food, should just start working for free! Your charity agriculture system would result in mass starvation overnight.

And no lending? Forget ever seeing any business-start-ups, ever. Except by hell-bound wealthy people, I guess.

Even Stalin and the North Koreans never expected farmers to till soil and wake up to milk the cows for free.

You're so far to the left that Stalin looks moderate next to you.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: What the Bible says about Free markets, capitalism, regulation, micromanagement etc.

But was it not said that the meek, the poor, will inherit the Earth? Didn't Jesus teach of compassion, of loving thy neighbor? Is it not said in Luke 1:49-53 that

49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. 50 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. 51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. 52 He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. 53 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. ?


Then again, in Matthew 19:16-24 (the same event is also described in Mark 10:17-25 and Luke 18:18-25, and the metaphor of a camel going through the eye of a needle is common to both Matthew and Luke).

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why do you ask me about what is good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Once again, in Leviticus 25:35-38: "If one [...] becomes poor [...] help him [...] so he can continue to live among you. Do not take interest of any kind from him, but fear your God [...] You must not lend him money at interest or sell him food at a profit. I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt to give you the land of Canaan and to be your God." and Acts 4:32-35, "All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had [...] there were no needy persons among them [...] the money [...] was distributed to anyone as he had need." As well as Acts 2:42-47, "They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching [...] to the breaking of bread [...] everyone was filled with awe [...] all the believers were together and had everything in common [...] they gave to anyone as he had need. Every day they [...] ate together with glad and sincere hearts [...] "


Capitalism had begun with pure, clean, godly intentions. But it has been twisted by the hand of the Devil, allowed by our sins of pride and gluttony.

Nothing could be more absurd than this futile task you are undertaking, trying to oppose one Biblical teaching by quoting another. That could only be successful if the Bible was blatantly self-contradictory. Since it is the Perfect Word(c) of the Creator of the Universe, you might as well give up. It cannot be True and internally contradictory at the same time. Don't you understand the first thing about logic?

[Free Market Fred]

Re: What the Bible says about Free markets, capitalism, regulation, micromanagement etc.

People have said that we are "hypocrites" because we oppose laws regulating pollution, tainted meat, "slavery" etc. while seeking to regulate people's bodies and private lives. They ask "if you can't trust government to figure out if lead poisoning is a good idea or not, why are you trusting government to wiretap, stripsearch, and execute US citizens without trial, and micromanage medieval societies on the other side of the world whose names you can't even spell?" If they read the Bible they would see how consistent we are.

Thank you, Brother Jeb, for starting this thread. You are absolutely correct! Just let me give you an example how Big Government controlled by leftist environwackos is hurting capitalism...

In order to fire union thugs as well as avoid paying minimum wage (which itself is an example of extreme Marxism) my company moved most of its factories to China and Mexico during the 1990s. Actually, mostly to China since Mexican labor is more expensive than Chink prisoners. Of course, we used NAFTA to claim we made stuff in Mexico so we could import Chinese goods into the USA via Mexico and thus avoid paying taxes thanks to Mexico's "duty-free" status. But I digress. Anyway, once we started making everything in China, leftist environwackos starting whining about how we were polluting in other countries where there was no commie EPA. The greenie activists even sent some nosy journalists over there to Chinkland to make documentaries, showing how the Yellow River was now purple and people living downstream from our factories had cancer and were giving birth to babies with two heads, etc.

Well, all that bad publicity started upsetting the Chink government, so even they began to wonder what was in our toxic waste. We had to pay a ton of bribes to Chink health inspectors to look the other way, and this was hurting profits. I can tell you that this caused quite a panic at our shareholders' meetings. So we were under pressure to clean up our act. Thus, we decided to take the most vile wastes and process them into a white material which we manufactured into drywall, which we imported into the USA from around years 2000 to 2008 during the housing boom when there was lots of construction going on.

OK, everything fine so far, but then Americans living in those houses started getting cancer, their kids born with two heads, etc. Then the EPA started cracking down, prohibiting our drywall imports, condemning the houses built with CancerWall ™, and all that other bleeding-heart liberal stuff that Big Government always does. Fortunately, the housing market conveniently collapsed in 2008 thanks to the mortgage crisis caused by our Ponzi finance schemes, so most of the working poor lost their homes anyway since they couldn't pay their mortgages. Thus, the houses are now unoccupied. Of course, the Ponzi collapse did hurt our bottom line, but a few trillion in government bailouts took care of that, thus protecting our executive bonuses.

Anyway, the point is that THE FREE MARKET PROVIDED THE SOLUTION. We didn't need the EPA to do anything! Those contaminated houses are now uninhabited, so there's no risk to the public. Unless, of course, some homeless people sneak in there to spend the night out of the rain, in which case who cares if they get cancer? Those vermin are just useless eaters, unlike the job creators such as myself. So actually, by importing contaminated drywall, my company is helping to reduce poverty by culling poor people from the general population, which is a win-win for the free market and America!

Of course, the 1% were never harmed by the poisonous drywall, since our mansions are made with marble walls, which is not only non-toxic but also has the added benefit of being bulletproof.

That's my company, the Uranus Corporation. Real solutions for real people!


Chinese drywall - What's good for Uranus is good for the USA!