[Fish (On Moderation)]

Re: Verses to save.

God first tried to get the Bible written then, maybe, but it was corrupted by the homer Joos that got their hands on it by accident while meeting up for sex in the sewers, where the True Christians(tm) had been trying to meet (for safety). They were written down just as God *wanted* them written down in 1611.

Care to back that up with some references? Because it sounds like you just made that up on the spot.

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

Re: Verses to save.

God first tried to get the Bible written then, maybe, but it was corrupted by the homer Joos that got their hands on it by accident while meeting up for sex in the sewers, where the True Christians(tm) had been trying to meet (for safety). They were written down just as God *wanted* them written down in 1611.

[Fish (On Moderation)]

Re: Verses to save.

They were written by God! Have you learned NOTHING in your tampering about these parts?

The Epistles of St Paul were written by Paul, and inspired by the Holy Spirit. They are both human and divine in nature. And they were written in the first century, not in 1611 as you claim. They were first translated to English in 1611.

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

Re: Verses to save.

They were written by God! Have you learned NOTHING in your tampering about these parts?

[Fish (On Moderation)]

Re: Verses to save.

The Word of God is TIMELESS -- it is as True(tm) today as it was when it was written as when it wasn't written (previous to 1611).

If it wasn't written prior to 1611 then who wrote the Epistles of Paul?

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

Re: Verses to save.

Good sir, one of the most kickass apostles of them all was sent to preach to the Gentiles: Paul!

13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

You should spend more time with your nose in your Bible and less time with it sniffing the crotches of smelly old truck drivers, sinner. The Word of God is TIMELESS -- it is as True(tm) today as it was when it was written as when it wasn't written (previous to 1611).

[Fish (On Moderation)]

Re: Verses to save.

Jesus didn't tell His apostles to preach the gospel to the gentiles either. That all comes into play after the ressurection. Read the "Acts of the Apostles" in your Bible.

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

Re: Verses to save.

Acts 10:10-15 [....] What do you think about this example?

Peter says, "I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean". This definitely proves that Jesus had never abolished any of the old laws.

Thanks for proving our point.

[Pastor Rune Enoe]

Re: Verses to save.

What did Jesus establish at the Last Supper and what did He establish in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost? The New Covenant of course.

We're still waiting for you to back up your claims with scripture. Here, let me give you a hand: Search the Gospels for 'covenant'.

You can't pour new wine into old wineskin.

...but maybe we can knock sense into an old sinner?

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Verses to save.

The pope does not change or add to scripture. He is infallible when he speaks ex cathedra but it is always in accordance with scriptures and never contradicts it.

Pope Declares Jubilee Year — Brings Back Indulgences

Issue Date: March/April 2000 The year 2000 is a big deal for Roman Catholics. Pope John Paul II has declared it to be a year of Jubilee. Such "Jubilees," or "holy years," have been celebrated every 25 years since 1300 AD. This one takes on a special meaning since it falls on the turn of the millennium.
In addition, the pope has used the occasion to spotlight one of the most controversial Roman Catholic teachings, the granting of indulgences. This teaching springs from the belief in the "treasury of merit." This merit is stored up by the good deeds of Jesus, the Virgin Mary and all the other "saints" down through history and is controlled and dispensed by the pope and his priests. Part of the dispensing process is called the granting of indulgences.
The need for this merit is caused by the problem of purgatory. Catholicism recognizes several types of sinners. Those who do premeditated sin and show no interest in repenting are automatically condemned to hell. Other sinners who are willing to confess their sin can go to a priest who has power to forgive them. They are often given some ritual or good deed to perform to show they are really sorry.
But, that is not really the end of the matter. Even though the guilt of sin has technically been "forgiven," there remains some sort of "temporal" punishment or purging necessary before the individual is pure enough to enter heaven.
This purifying is accomplished by performing good deeds with a contrite heart while on earth and spending an unspecified time after death in the tormenting fire of purgatory. Thus, granting an indulgence is to officially transfer some of the treasury of merit to cancel time in purgatory.
These indulgences come in two sizes: partial and "plenary." Plenary indulgences wipe all punishment for past sin and can only be granted by the pope. Partial indulgences can be granted by Bishops and priests and only cancel part of the punishment for sin.
In this Jubilee year, the pope has designated certain actions to merit plenary indulgences. Just observing the Jubilee year in Rome wipes out all punishment up to date. While in Rome, a "pious pilgrimage" to a designated cathedral or basilica will get you another plenary but you are allowed only one a day. If you have been good since yesterday and don't need a new one for yourself, you can designate it for a loved one who is already in purgatory.
Not all of the focus of the Jubilee is on Rome. Visiting certain sites in the Holy Land during 2000 can also get you a plenary indulgence. People who cannot go to Rome or Israel can make a pilgrimage to a designated shrine or cathedral in their own country. Even sailors at sea are not forgotten. If, on June 2, 2000, they make contrite confession to a priest, take "Eucharistic Communion," pray before an idol, and "pray for the Pope's intentions," they can get a full plenary indulgence.
With 30 million pilgrims expected in Rome during 2000, it would have been impractical for the pope to overlook the cash benefits. Besides visits to places, other actions are designated as worthy of a plenary. These include other acts of personal sacrifice such as giving up smoking or drinking for a day or "supporting, by a significant contribution, works of a religious or social nature."
Martin Luther blew the whistle on this indulgence scam and triggered the Reformation. Unfortunately, he couldn't stop it entirely but today it is more subtle but just as deceiving. Its revival today by this pope proves that Roman Catholicism is still the prostitute church of Revelation 17 and 18. Soulwinners, we need to help the precious Roman Catholic people to "come out of her." (Rev. 18:4)

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[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Verses to save.

Your understanding of hell is incorrect, it is seperation from God not a fiery furnace in a literal sense. Jesus told Peter to take care of His flock, He said He would build His Church upon him. The pope is simply apostolic succession.

No, I have the Bible for my understanding of Hell:

And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off:
It is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off:
It is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out:
It is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Mark 9:43-48

Repetition is a good way of learning!
These verses clearly states that Hell is a place where it always burn.
More verses back that up:

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:7

Eternal fire, such as in a fire that ALWAYS BURN.
Even more verses:

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers,
and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Revelation 21:8


And Peter was never a Pope. He never even visited Rome!
ALSO, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS APOSTOLIC SUCESSION IN THE BILBE. YOU'RE EITHER AN APOSTLE OR YOU AREN'T.


BTW

Where in the Bible does it say that a man 'holds the place of God allmighty on Earth'?

[Fish (On Moderation)]

Re: Verses to save.

Where in the Bible is any man given such a position and power?
Where in the Bible does it say that a man 'holds the place of God allmighty on Earth'?

Btw the last pope "did away with" hell, yet the Bible clearly states it exists, and that you will burn there.
How is that "always in accordance with" scripture?

Your understanding of hell is incorrect, it is seperation from God not a fiery furnace in a literal sense. Jesus told Peter to take care of His flock, He said He would build His Church upon him. The pope is simply apostolic succession.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Verses to save.

The pope does not change or add to scripture. He is infallible when he speaks ex cathedra but it is always in accordance with scriptures and never contradicts it.

Where in the Bible is any man given such a position and power?
Where in the Bible does it say that a man 'holds the place of God allmighty on Earth'?

Btw the last pope "did away with" hell, yet the Bible clearly states it exists, and that you will burn there.
How is that "always in accordance with" scripture?

[Fish (On Moderation)]

Re: Verses to save.

As I said, Jesus is free to do as He wants and there is no sin in Him anyways.
And if He lets a disciple "break" the law (it isn't truly broken if he's allown, now is it?) that disciple is allowed to do so.

Why is this so hard to understand?
Do you think a king needs to follow his own laws?
Jesus is the king of kings, and He is GOD, so He does as He pleases.

The pope however, is NOT God, and He is in no position to change or add to scripture, no matter what your false church claims.

The pope does not change or add to scripture. He is infallible when he speaks ex cathedra but it is always in accordance with scriptures and never contradicts it.

[SalvationSeeker]

Re: Verses to save.

Tell me this then, did Jesus and His disciples ever break the law?

As I said, Jesus is free to do as He wants and there is no sin in Him anyways.
And if He lets a disciple "break" the law (it isn't truly broken if he's allown, now is it?) that disciple is allowed to do so.
Also, Jesus can forgive any sin except blaspheming the holy ghost.

Why is this so hard to understand?
Do you think a king needs to follow his own laws?
Jesus is the king of kings, and He is GOD, so He does as He pleases.

The pope however, is NOT God, and he is in no position to change or add to scripture, no matter what your false church claims.