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Re: Rev. Jim educates a misguided False Christian on the Bible

Why do you continue to refer to me as a 'false Christian'? I am an honest believer in the gospel. How does that make me a false christian?

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Re: Mock GOD or JESUS and DIE!

Tell me then where it says the Psalm is an analogy like you claim. Granted, Christ used parables to illustrate a point but these are addressed to the reader as parables. When you start taking things in the Bible as a metaphor or analogy, you run the risk of a slippery slope. Does that mean the Genesis creation shouldn't be taken literally? What about Lev. 20:13 when it commands us to kill homosexuals...is that not literal either?

And it works both ways. How do you know the verses you quote me aren't meant to be taken literally? Maybe there's a meaning behind that that is not clear in the text alone?

And by what measure do you deem a Bible verse to be considered an analogy to one that should be understood directly and literally?

Surely you can see the problem of subjectively determining what Bible verses really mean. You either accept the Bible literally -- or you don't. Otherwise you are just twisting/misunderstanding/ignoring Scripture.

Finally, God is love, I agree. But God is also hatred. You are focusing only one side of God, whereas we True Christians™ acknowledge God for all that He truly is.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

I'm not sure what church you go to, but they are putting misinformation into your head. I really hope you stick around here because you seem like a person who wants to know Christ more, but unfortunately have been fed a dinner plate full of lies. I can help you become a saved True Christian™. Tonight I will pray hard that your eyes open and you see the light.

Thank you for praying for me. And I will also for you. I truly appreciate it. And I will be the first to admit I dont understand the entire Bible. I dont understand how it perfectly works! I do believe it does, however. And I do believe that our society today is too focused on the secondary matters, rather than the primary matter. The primary matter at hand is how do you know that you are saved, how do you be humbled in knowing that you have been saved, how can you reach those that are not saved. To be honest, this has truly been enlightening for me as a Christian, b/c I have studied the Word abundently lately...something which I sometimes lack in. It has opened my eyes to how strong my Faith really is.

You asked how do I know the verses arent meant to be taken literally? I couldnt prove to you that they arent, but neither could you prove to me that they are. I can only follow what God has laid on my heart. I can only believe what God has opened my eyes to see. I was once without Christ, and I have since found Him. I have many disagreences with many people on this forum, but thats ok. And whats more is it makes us stronger Christians that we might research and back up our claims/beliefs w/the Bible!

I know that God is a vengeful and wrathful God, but I truly believe that God longs for all of us to turn to Him and surrender all to Him. Think about that for a moment...what it means to surrender all to Him...amazing to think about. I wish nothing but the best for this forum, that it would be uplifting and encouraging to people. Again, thank you for your prayers.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Mock GOD or JESUS and DIE!

Ok, obviously you take a literal view of the Bible. Many do, however, there are underlying analogies to be seen. What David is saying is that God will have the last 'laugh' so to speak. Not that God enjoys sending people to Hell.

Tell me then where it says the Psalm is an analogy like you claim. Granted, Christ used parables to illustrate a point but these are addressed to the reader as parables. When you start taking things in the Bible as a metaphor or analogy, you run the risk of a slippery slope. Does that mean the Genesis creation shouldn't be taken literally? What about Lev. 20:13 when it commands us to kill homosexuals...is that not literal either?

And it works both ways. How do you know the verses you quote me aren't meant to be taken literally? Maybe there's a meaning behind that that is not clear in the text alone?

And by what measure do you deem a Bible verse to be considered an analogy to one that should be understood directly and literally?

Surely you can see the problem of subjectively determining what Bible verses really mean. You either accept the Bible literally -- or you don't. Otherwise you are just twisting/misunderstanding/ignoring Scripture.

Finally, God is love, I agree. But God is also hatred. You are focusing only one side of God, whereas we True Christians™ acknowledge God for all that He truly is.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

I'm not sure what church you go to, but they are putting misinformation into your head. I really hope you stick around here because you seem like a person who wants to know Christ more, but unfortunately have been fed a dinner plate full of lies. I can help you become a saved True Christian™. Tonight I will pray hard that your eyes open and you see the light.

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Re: 666: The number of the beast

Leviticus 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

We don't want to hate you in our hearts, that's why we speak up when you sin.

Loving a neighbor is does not mean staying quiet until he dies and burns in Hell, as a matter of fact that is the opposite of loving.

I agree you should inform your brother/sister of their flaws...especially if they claim to be in the faith. That is what I have said since Ive been on here as to why I have come. To give a strong word of rebuke to many on this forum. I come here with only love in my heart. How have I sinned against anyone of you? I have been defending all I say with scripture, yet you simply dont want to take what I say to be the truth. You believe you know the truth, when in fact, you are terribly misled as to what the scripture is all about...from what I have read in many of your 'true christians' posts. It appears that you view 'sin' as disagreeing with what YOU believe to be the truth. I am guilty of that. I disagree with you on many things that I have seen while being on here. Which is why I am here to inform many of you.

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Re: Mock GOD or JESUS and DIE!

Admittedly the Bible isn't clear on who exactly goes to Heaven, whether the prophets or the rest of the people, so I will give you a better example instead. Let's take a look at Psalms.

Psalm 37:12-13 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. The LORD shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.

God laughs at those who are going to Hell. Clear and simple.

Ok, obviously you take a literal view of the Bible. Many do, however, there are underlying analogies to be seen. What David is saying is that God will have the last 'laugh' so to speak. Not that God enjoys sending people to Hell.

1 John 4:8 'He that loveth not knoweth not God, for God is love.

1 John 4:16 'And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God and God in him.'

Knowing that God is love, lets look at what love is expressed as in the Word of God.

1 Corinthians 13:4-6 'Charity(or love) suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself(does not brag), in not puffed up(or arrogant).Doth not behave itself unseemingly(rudely); seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in truth.

Perhaps the most important part is underlined which says Love does not rejoice in iniquity, but in truth! If you then know that God is love, and know the defination of love as is in the Bible, you can see that God would not rejoice in sending anyone to Hell...because He is LOVE! He is also just...no question and does what He has to...but I dont believe He would rejoice in it.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Help me BAN Pokemon !

If youll look back at 1 John 1:8, it says 'If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.'

And 1 John 8:10 says 'If we say that we have not sinned, wee make him a liar, and his word is not in us.'

Both of these verses are referring to sin which is omnipresent in people before they are Saved by Jesus Christ. Verse 8 is a follow-up of the preceding verse which tells us Christ removes all sins from us.

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Verse 8 is a warning of being so arrogant as to assume we have no sins already. We must acknowledge we are sinners and then the blood of Christ will remove the sin from us. That is what 1 John 1:7-8 are about.

Again, 1 John 1:10 (there is no 8th chapter in 1 John) is very similar to the preceding. It is referring to the sin before we are forgiven by Christ. Verse 9 also reaffirms that Christ forgives our sin.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

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Re: Help me BAN Pokemon !

Again, I don't "interpret" Scripture. You can see plainly from the verses that we True Christians™ do not sin.

1st John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1st John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1st John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1st John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Look at that first verse, number six. Those who abide in Christ do not sin. Those that sin are not Christians. The last verse, number nine, tells us those who are born of God (Christians) don't sin and can't sin either.

Ok my friend, You referred to verses 6 and 9. And I see how it appears by first glance. But I assure you, John is not referring to sinless perfection, b/c if it were, the population of Heaven would be 1...JC!

If youll look back at 1 John 1:8, it says 'If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.'

And 1 John 8:10 says 'If we say that we have not sinned, wee make him a liar, and his word is not in us.'

You see friend, I dont come here to argue with you nor anyone else, rather to point out that NONE of us are perfect and WE ALL need Christ in our lives! Apart from Christ we are nothing.

My Bible points out that John is speaking of habitual practice of known sinful acts. The true believers actions will conform to the character of his true father, God or Satan. The person born of God will reflect this in behavior. Dont take my word on this, in all seriousness...take God's own Word.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Mock GOD or JESUS and DIE!

Admittedly the Bible isn't clear on who exactly goes to Heaven, whether the prophets or the rest of the people, so I will give you a better example instead. Let's take a look at Psalms.

Psalm 37:12-13 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. The LORD shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.

God laughs at those who are going to Hell. Clear and simple.

[A Follower]

Re: 666: The number of the beast

You MUST BE KIDDING! You call someone telling an unsaved person 'God hates you' to be TOUGH LOVE! You are insane in even trying to justify this!!!

By the way, God in no way, shape or form informs us to personally bash anyone! Infact, John 3:16 says that God loved the world so much that He sacrificed His own Son to save it!

Mark 12:30-31 ' And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength; this is the first commandment. And the second is like namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

By the way, this is Christ Himself talking. Your excuses of Ezekiel are futile and invalid!

Leviticus 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

We don't want to hate you in our hearts, that's why we speak up when you sin.

Loving a neighbor is does not mean staying quiet until he dies and burns in Hell, as a matter of fact that is the opposite of loving.

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Re: Mock GOD or JESUS and DIE!

I'm not interpreting the Scripture. I'm just understanding for what it says. If you read the verses immediately following it, 11 and 12 it says these are saved people and are then admitted into Heaven.

Rev. 11:11-12 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

In these verses, all highlighted red (them, they, their) is refering to calling up the 2 prophets up to heaven. You see, in verse 10 the men rejoicing, whom were unsaved, that the 2 prophets who had 'tormented' those who dwelt on the earth with plagues and their message. Then in verses 11-12 the prophets are the ones called up to heaven, and the unsaved who were rejoicing previously, were reacting out of fear, for seeing their resurrection was absolute proof that their message was true and the Jesus is God and Messiah.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: 666: The number of the beast

By the way, God in no way, shape or form informs us to personally bash anyone! ....

By the way, this is Christ Himself talking. Your excuses of Ezekiel are futile and invalid!

Ok, here are some examples of Christ Himself talking. And he is "bashing" others, in your words...

Matthew 12:34 "O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?"

Matthew 15:26 "But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs."

The first verse is where Jesus is addressing the Pharisees as "vipers". The second is where he is referring to a Canaanite woman and considers her a dog. How is this any different than what Pastor Ezekiel does?

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Help me BAN Pokemon !

Again, you fail to correctly interpret the scripture. The scripture you refer to in John doesnt mean you live a 'perfect sin-free' life. It means if you live habitually in sin, you have not been transformed by christs power and purity.

Again, I don't "interpret" Scripture. You can see plainly from the verses that we True Christians(tm) do not sin.

1st John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1st John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1st John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1st John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Look at that first verse, number six. Those who abide in Christ do not sin. Those that sin are not Christians. The last verse, number nine, tells us those who are born of God (Christians) don't sin and can't sin either.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Mock GOD or JESUS and DIE!

God be with anyone who might have heard you preach a message. I respectfully disagree with your interpretation of that scripture. Its not talking about saved men rejoicing! Its referring to the unbelievers of the earth rejoicing, having submitted to the beast, because they hate the plagues and the message of the 2 prophets.

I'm not interpreting the Scripture. I'm just understanding for what it says. If you read the verses immediately following it, 11 and 12 it says these are saved people and are then admitted into Heaven.

Rev. 11:11-12 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

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Re: Help me BAN Pokemon !

That is correct. We are a perfect church. We follow all of the Bible (Matt. 4:4) and do not sin (1 John 3:6-9). The reason why that sounds "incredible" is the vast majority of churches and denominations do not follow what God wants and are thus imperfect. Which is why I think you would do good if you stuck around and learned from us, then you could join us in Heaven one day.

Again, you fail to correctly interpret the scripture. The scripture you refer to in John doesnt mean you live a 'perfect sin-free' life. It means if you live habitually in sin, you have not been transformed by christs power and purity.

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Re: Mock GOD or JESUS and DIE!

Why not? The Bible says we should celebrate when sinners are sent to Hell.

Revelation 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

God be with anyone who might have heard you preach a message. I respectfully disagree with your interpretation of that scripture. Its not talking about saved men rejoicing! Its referring to the unbelievers of the earth rejoicing, having submitted to the beast, because they hate the plagues and the message of the 2 prophets.