[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

Why would God hate me if He is everlasting love?

Because you are a disgusting degenerate pervert and God is not everlasting love for sinners. Making it up that God loves everyone forever doesn't make it true. Hell is there specifically for people who reject Christ's temporary death in order that they be saved from sin by repenting and being baptised.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

Jesus COMMANDED you to love everyone, including your enemies despite god's laws.

And please tell us were we don't love these Hell bound scum?

I mean sure, we don't personally cuddle up to trash like atheists (you ever talk to one?) however we do love their souls and don't want to see them burn. I would say all things considered we TRUE Christians are rather polite to atheists.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

Trust me, friend, there is no trickery here. I come right out and say it. Jesus COMMANDED you to love everyone, including your enemies despite god's laws. It is your duty as a christian to love everyone, not to judge them, that is god's duty. It is without a doubt your requirement to love all of mankind, Jesus told you so. If you don't, you don't believe in Jesus, and you surely in no way are a christian.

I have no such requirement, because I have no imaginary tyrant dictating what I am to eat, who I can sleep with or not, and in what position, or condemning me in any way shape or form. I am a good person precisely because I choose to be, because I know it's right. I don't need daddy up in the clouds instructing me on such matters. Some people need such things in their lives, to be led by the ear and instructed with impudence on how to treat other people. You have a pretty good book that teaches these things, one that you say you follow and try to live up to, yet you still choose to call people fags and be a hateful person. You haven't learned a thing from Jesus, you are taking one line from a book written 1500 years before Jesus, a book that Jesus is in near flawless contradiction too, and apply that line to your belief system as if Jesus never existed.

Trickery? You should take a look at yourself before casting the first stone.

Jesus Christ was no outlaw. He upheld the doctrines of the Old Testament in every instance, except when He rescinded the dietary laws and found a loophole for the sacrificial laws. How does Jesus contradict the Old Testament?

See Matthew 5:19, James 2:10, and other verses.

[Bitch23]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

Sorry, buddy, but it's you fag-loving atheists who are required to love everyone and trapse around the internets telling everyone that you know how to do it better. I can see thru your trickery.

Trust me, friend, there is no trickery here. I come right out and say it. Jesus COMMANDED you to love everyone, including your enemies despite god's laws. It is your duty as a christian to love everyone, not to judge them, that is god's duty. It is without a doubt your requirement to love all of mankind, Jesus told you so. If you don't, you don't believe in Jesus, and you surely in no way are a christian.

I have no such requirement, because I have no imaginary tyrant dictating what I am to eat, who I can sleep with or not, and in what position, or condemning me in any way shape or form. I am a good person precisely because I choose to be, because I know it's right. I don't need daddy up in the clouds instructing me on such matters. Some people need such things in their lives, to be led by the ear and instructed with impudence on how to treat other people. You have a pretty good book that teaches these things, one that you say you follow and try to live up to, yet you still choose to call people fags and be a hateful person. You haven't learned a thing from Jesus, you are taking one line from a book written 1500 years before Jesus, a book that Jesus is in near flawless contradiction too, and apply that line to your belief system as if Jesus never existed.

Trickery? You should take a look at yourself before casting the first stone.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

Almost forgot. Do you feel that I am persecuting you? It seems to me that the belief system you have adopted is one of pure persecution. In fact, god's will makes sure that from the moment you were conceived he is persecuting you. You live a life of persecution, of being told that you are wrong and sinful and wicked from the moment you come into existence, and that the only way to cleanse yourself is to bow to the wishes of another being. That is persecution. I am asking questions, and giving counterpoints to your claims. I am not persecuting you, your lord is, forever. You could also know the freedom from such persecution if you just realized that the words in the King James are the ramblings of bronze age religious hysterics, and that we have evolved past needing to subjugate ourselves to imaginary beings in order that we should be good.

Further, why would you assume I have not read the bible? You assume that if I had there would be no more questioning, that I would see the light and come into the fold, for god said unto me. Well, that's funny. I'll leave you with this quote "The quickest way to become an atheirt, is to read the bible.". It works for you, not for me. There is just no need for someone who claims to be a christian, or anyone for that matter, to be so hateful towards people that are different than you. As you said, that is god's job, not yours.

Friend, I pity you for the aeternal suffering that you will face. It is so easy to just believe and follow. I don't see why you reject the offer of Salvation in favor of a life of personal and epistemological responsibility. Christ could just take it all away, but you insist on carrying the burden of your sins. Are you some sort of extreme masochist? Do you have any idea how long eternity is?

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

Further, why would you assume I have not read the bible? Yo

Because you are an atheist. You might have open The Bible, looked at the words, but you obviously didn't understand them or you wouldn't still be an atheist.

[Bitch23]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

Almost forgot. Do you feel that I am persecuting you? It seems to me that the belief system you have adopted is one of pure persecution. In fact, god's will makes sure that from the moment you were conceived he is persecuting you. You live a life of persecution, of being told that you are wrong and sinful and wicked from the moment you come into existence, and that the only way to cleanse yourself is to bow to the wishes of another being. That is persecution. I am asking questions, and giving counterpoints to your claims. I am not persecuting you, your lord is, forever. You could also know the freedom from such persecution if you just realized that the words in the King James are the ramblings of bronze age religious hysterics, and that we have evolved past needing to subjugate ourselves to imaginary beings in order that we should be good.

Further, why would you assume I have not read the bible? You assume that if I had there would be no more questioning, that I would see the light and come into the fold, for god said unto me. Well, that's funny. I'll leave you with this quote "The quickest way to become an atheirt, is to read the bible.". It works for you, not for me. There is just no need for someone who claims to be a christian, or anyone for that matter, to be so hateful towards people that are different than you. As you said, that is god's job, not yours.

[Nobar King]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

It is your duty as a christian to love everyone, not go on the internet and profess to know god's will in all things.

Sorry, buddy, but it's you fag-loving atheists who are required to love everyone and trapse around the internets telling everyone that you know how to do it better. I can see thru your trickery.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

I'm sure I do deserve an infraction. And I commend you for not masturbating, because surely that is not a natural thing to do. Let me ask this, a serious question. You say Jesus rescinded the dietary laws. Does this mean that god was wrong in making those laws in the first place? Do you not find it odd that Jesus rescinded so many of god's laws from the OT? It seems to me a contradiction within itself to say that God, who is all knowing and the creator of humans, would need to be corrected. for any reason, and especially not by his son/him. How do justify the contradictions, and the corrections that god had to make to his own doctrine? Is he fallible?

Thank you for being civil, despite your atheism.

When God says eating pork is wrong, it becomes wrong. When He says it is right, it becomes right.

Psalm 119:137-138

King James Version (KJV)

137Righteous art thou, O LORD, and upright are thy judgments.
138Thy testimonies that thou hast commanded are righteous and very faithful.

[Bitch23]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

God has also commanded us to obey secular law. See Colossians 1:16

I don't wear mixed fibers. Why would you assume that I did?

Leviticus 19:27 tells us not to mar the corners of our beards and such. It says nothing soever about cutting our hair.

I think you deserve an infraction for asking me this question.

If you refer yourself to my awards, you will see that I am an EX-masturbator. I have repented of my seed spilling obsession, as Jesus commanded me to.

Jesus rescinded the dietary laws. See Matthew 15:11.

I'm sure I do deserve an infraction. And I commend you for not masturbating, because surely that is not a natural thing to do. Let me ask this, a serious question. You say Jesus rescinded the dietary laws. Does this mean that god was wrong in making those laws in the first place? Do you not find it odd that Jesus rescinded so many of god's laws from the OT? It seems to me a contradiction within itself to say that God, who is all knowing and the creator of humans, would need to be corrected. for any reason, and especially not by his son/him. How do justify the contradictions, and the corrections that god had to make to his own doctrine? Is he fallible?

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

All I have to do is read your incredibly stupid signature "atheism = anal sex" to understand who you are. Please stop professing to be a christian when all you are is a judgmental bigot. You are the second person I've run into today who has made the inane logic leap from paganism to christianity. As I said to the other person, I suppose if I let myself regress so far as to fornicate on pentagrams and drop LSD onto my eyeball, maybe another, less ridiculous mythological belief system would be good for me. I'm glad that christianity worked for you to drag you up from the depths. But in a lot of ways you seem to still be there. Your hateful words belie the message you are preaching. It is your duty as a christian to love everyone, not go on the internet and profess to know god's will in all things.

All I have to do is read the Bible to know God's will. See 2 Timothy 3:16. You could know God's will as well, if only you would read the KJV Bible.

Are you persecuting me for my past sins, or for my redemption in Jesus? This is a rhetorical question. Please reflect on it.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

I'm wondering, Billy Bob, if you take the bible at it's word, why aren't gays being put to death constantly? "Surely they will be put to death...". If you believe in the word so strongly, why don't you go kill gay people, as the almighty instructed you? Furthermore, the basic doctrine of christianity is that we are ALL born with sin, so tell me, what makes homosexuals so much more the sinners as yourself?

God has also commanded us to obey secular law. See Colossians 1:16

The passage you quoted earlier, if you were to keep reading, has a litany of things that one should not do, as in not wearing clothes of mixed fabric,

I don't wear mixed fibers. Why would you assume that I did?

not cutting your hair, and so on. Do you cut your hair Billy Bob?

Leviticus 19:27 tells us not to mar the corners of our beards and such. It says nothing soever about cutting our hair.

What are you wearing right now?

I think you deserve an infraction for asking me this question.

Also, the OT was written during a time when procreation was paramount to the continuation of the human species, else we would die out. People lived on average to about 30 years old. Infant mortality rates were extremely high and people died regularly of diseases of the mouth because humans didn't even know of microbial diseases, much less had toothpaste. There is another passage in the OT that talks about the sin of "spilling your seed", meaning to have sex with a woman but not ejaculate within her. Onan did this multiple times. God was very angry with him. Homosexuality would be the same thing in god's eyes, simply not using the seed to insure humans would continue to exist. It is a sin to spill your seed. In fact, its the same sin as homosexuality. Have you spilled your seed? I urge you not to lie about this. If you take the bible for it's word, you have sinned every time you have had a wet dream, masturbated, or "pulled out" when having sex. You simply can't take the bible literally in one case and not in others. You are either a sinner like the rest of us, or you profess to be god. Stop ranting on about how it is a sure thing that gays will burn in hell, because if you take the bible at it's word like that, you will burn without a doubt, you have no other option.

If you refer yourself to my awards, you will see that I am an EX-masturbator. I have repented of my seed spilling obsession, as Jesus commanded me to.

Do you eat pork Billy Bob? Because if you don't believe in the words of the Old Testament, then you don't believe in Jesus.

Jesus rescinded the dietary laws. See Matthew 15:11.

[Bitch23]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

I do not have an opinion about homosexuality. God does, and He expresses it in many places throughout the Bible, including Leviticus 20:13.

I would still be fornicating on pentagrams and dropping LSD into my bewildered eye socket if I hadn't read the word of God. My opinions would lead me straight to Hell. What matters are God's opinions.

All I have to do is read your incredibly stupid signature "atheism = anal sex" to understand who you are. Please stop professing to be a christian when all you are is a judgmental bigot. You are the second person I've run into today who has made the inane logic leap from paganism to christianity. As I said to the other person, I suppose if I let myself regress so far as to fornicate on pentagrams and drop LSD onto my eyeball, maybe another, less ridiculous mythological belief system would be good for me. I'm glad that christianity worked for you to drag you up from the depths. But in a lot of ways you seem to still be there. Your hateful words belie the message you are preaching. It is your duty as a christian to love everyone, not go on the internet and profess to know god's will in all things.

[Bitch23]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

Amen, friend. Amen. I hope the queers all change before it is too late.

We are not so different you and I. Even the queers are like us, just souls making our way through creation. The only difference is I take God at His Word, and you are all damned. I hope you come to accept God's Word. Although He is strict, He is fair. The same rules apply to everybody. He does not make exceptions for queers. Everybody must follow His Law.

Do you blame me for taking God at His Holy Word?

I'm wondering, Billy Bob, if you take the bible at it's word, why aren't gays being put to death constantly? "Surely they will be put to death...". If you believe in the word so strongly, why don't you go kill gay people, as the almighty instructed you? Furthermore, the basic doctrine of christianity is that we are ALL born with sin, so tell me, what makes homosexuals so much more the sinners as yourself? The passage you quoted earlier, if you were to keep reading, has a litany of things that one should not do, as in not wearing clothes of mixed fabric, not cutting your hair, and so on. Do you cut your hair Billy Bob? What are you wearing right now?

Also, the OT was written during a time when procreation was paramount to the continuation of the human species, else we would die out. People lived on average to about 30 years old. Infant mortality rates were extremely high and people died regularly of diseases of the mouth because humans didn't even know of microbial diseases, much less had toothpaste. There is another passage in the OT that talks about the sin of "spilling your seed", meaning to have sex with a woman but not ejaculate within her. Onan did this multiple times. God was very angry with him. Homosexuality would be the same thing in god's eyes, simply not using the seed to insure humans would continue to exist. It is a sin to spill your seed. In fact, its the same sin as homosexuality. Have you spilled your seed? I urge you not to lie about this. If you take the bible for it's word, you have sinned every time you have had a wet dream, masturbated, or "pulled out" when having sex. You simply can't take the bible literally in one case and not in others. You are either a sinner like the rest of us, or you profess to be god. Stop ranting on about how it is a sure thing that gays will burn in hell, because if you take the bible at it's word like that, you will burn without a doubt, you have no other option. Do you eat pork Billy Bob? Because if you don't believe in the words of the Old Testament, then you don't believe in Jesus.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Homosexuals Are Not Born That Way!

"But we ARE choosing to be straight."

So, you admit that you have gay tendencies, but because you are not lazy, you marry a woman despite the fact that want to be with a man? You sir are living a lie. Just accept your homosexuality, that's not laziness, that's who you are.

In other words, speak for yourself. I'm straight and I don't chose to be straight. I find women attractive, biologically. Looking at a naked man does nothing for me, as it apparently does for you. Which is fine. But you are making one hell of a logic leap, insinuating that every human being is exactly like you. That is blatantly untrue and you are sinning by pretending to know god's will. You have an opinion about homosexuality, that is all, stop trying to put yourself out there as knowing absolutely how things are and what god's will is. Thinking you know everything is the true definition of ignorance.

Gay people have gay sex, and the bible states that is an abomination. Tell me, what does the bible say about false prophets?

I do not have an opinion about homosexuality. God does, and He expresses it in many places throughout the Bible, including Leviticus 20:13.

I would still be fornicating on pentagrams and dropping LSD into my bewildered eye socket if I hadn't read the word of God. My opinions would lead me straight to Hell. What matters are God's opinions.