[UnsavedBullDyke]

Re: Question for Catholics

How wonderful, you're calling out to Jesus instead of His dead mother! Have you realized that Mary-worship is sacrilege, and decided to come to Jesus?



Maybe God will heal your scabs for you now!

Mary isn't worshiped.... She is honored.. Are you not to honor your father and mother..? Why would you not honor and memorialize the mother of God's only begotten son? The woman who carried and nurtured him..

[Didymus Much]

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I've seen my fair share of BDSM porn, and it looks as though Catholicism is lot worse.

Does Catholicism even have a "safeword"?

[Oliver Brendan Hayve]

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Seriously, catholicism is comparable to sadomasochist porn.

I've seen my fair share of BDSM porn, and it looks as though Catholicism is lot worse.

[John Creeser]

Re: Question for Catholics

Seriously, catholicism is comparable to sadomasochist porn.

The Cilice




The Flagrum





Confraternities of the Cord




They also a bunch of cutters. They hide this sick and twisted practice by proclaiming stigmata.




I'm often torn wondering who is worse; the muslims or catlicks.

Both of which DISGUST ME!!


p.s. actually anyone who is not a True Christian Republican Baptist disgusts me.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Question for Catholics

I still want to know why they pray to bits of dead people.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Question for Catholics

No question it uses an analogy, but for what purpose? To compare what an athlete does to win a corruptible crown to what Paul does to win an incorruptible one. From the mention of the incorruptible crown Paul is showing how to win this crown. You must ask what the "therefore" is there for. It clearly changes from metaphor to application, from winning in athletics to winning in faith.

And in application, in striving to attain the incorruptible crown Paul brings his body into subjection. What regard does an athlete have for his body during training? He literally breaks it down and builds it up again.

What words does Paul use, from various translations, to say what he does to himself: pommel, bring it into subjection, drive my body, chastise it, buffet it, rough treat it, etc. all to prepare himself for winning the spiritual battle. This makes sense in speaking to the Corinthians who are living lives of excess and sexual impurity.
In Christ, George

The flesh is put into submission for what purpose if not to allow the spirit to accept Christ Jesus as LORD and Master (Romans 10:9)? By accepting Christ, having faith that He is who He says He is (Second Person of the Holy Trinity, not to be confused with Baal, Melqart, Adonis, Eshmun, Attis Tammuz, Asclepius, Orpheus, Ra, Zalmoxis, or Dionysus, some of the other popular "dying gods" of the region of the time Jesus walked the earth), the believer is then "sealed" to the vine, if you will.

And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Ephesians 4:30

And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
John 10:28-29

Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1st Peter 1:5

Your interpretation of this life-long race only works if Jesus was speaking metaphorically only about everything else having to do with justification. The Roman cultist interpretation of justification came to fruition only in the 16th century when they could no longer successfully oppress True Christians™. What seems logical and historical to you is relatively young in the era of Christendom, a theological late-bloomer of sorts.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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No question it uses an analogy, but for what purpose? To compare what an athlete does to win a corruptible crown to what Paul does to win an incorruptible one. From the mention of the incorruptible crown Paul is showing how to win this crown.

I'm with you so far.

You must ask what the "therefore" is there for. It clearly changes from metaphor to application, from winning in athletics to winning in faith.

But if you examine the text closely, you will see that the metaphor continues after the "therefore":

I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

As a consequence, we cannot draw a bright line between metaphor and literal meaning at the "therefore." Where, then, can we draw it, and why?

And in application, in striving to attain the incorruptible crown Paul brings his body into subjection. What regard does an athlete have for his body during training? He literally breaks it down and builds it up again.

What words does Paul use, from various translations, to say what he does to himself: pommel, bring it into subjection, drive my body, chastise it, buffet it, rough treat it, etc. all to prepare himself for winning the spiritual battle. This makes sense in speaking to the Corinthians who are living lives of excess and sexual impurity.
In Christ, George

Maybe an athlete literally does so, but, as I think we can now agree — and, as I pointed out above, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops teaches — Paul metaphorically does so.

[Faithful Catholic]

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As we often advise those who challenge us on Scripture, let's read in context.

1 Corinthians 9:24-27: Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they [do it] to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

I'll even (just this once) quote the same passage from the New American Bible, Revised Edition, as posted on the Web site of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Do you not know that the runners in the stadium all run in the race, but only one wins the prize? Run so as to win. Every athlete exercises discipline in every way. They do it to win a perishable crown, but we an imperishable one. Thus I do not run aimlessly; I do not fight as if I were shadowboxing. No, I drive my body and train it, for fear that, after having preached to others, I myself should be disqualified.

So, dear friend, is the subject of that passage a literal race or a literal fight, or does it use analogies? Even your church's commentary calls that passage "a series of miniparables from sports"; are you saying that your church is wrong?

No question it uses an analogy, but for what purpose? To compare what an athlete does to win a corruptible crown to what Paul does to win an incorruptible one. From the mention of the incorruptible crown Paul is showing how to win this crown. You must ask what the "therefore" is there for. It clearly changes from metaphor to application, from winning in athletics to winning in faith.

And in application, in striving to attain the incorruptible crown Paul brings his body into subjection. What regard does an athlete have for his body during training? He literally breaks it down and builds it up again.

What words does Paul use, from various translations, to say what he does to himself: pommel, bring it into subjection, drive my body, chastise it, buffet it, rough treat it, etc. all to prepare himself for winning the spiritual battle. This makes sense in speaking to the Corinthians who are living lives of excess and sexual impurity.
In Christ, George

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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So if you don't agree with a specific statement of Scripture then it is only metaphorical? How convenient! Paul said what he said and if you can prove it was metaphorical then I am all ears. Otherwise, Mary has missed the boat. BTW the "slavery" statement adds nothing to the conversation.
In Christ, George

I see Pastor Peters has already addressed this admirably.

You're offended by "the slavery statement" when the quote you presented had Paul saying "No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave . . ."

You saying this is literal means that you believe we should beat ourselves and then enslave ourselves. So I'm not sure why you are offended that I re-stated Paul's statement. Kindly explain.

In Christ (NOT Mary),
Mark

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Otherwise, Mary has missed the boat.

You just can't stand to see the reality of your beloved saint.

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

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So if you don't agree with a specific statement of Scripture then it is only metaphorical? How convenient! Paul said what he said and if you can prove it was metaphorical then I am all ears. Otherwise, Mary has missed the boat. BTW the "slavery" statement adds nothing to the conversation.
In Christ, George

As we often advise those who challenge us on Scripture, let's read in context.

1 Corinthians 9:24-27: Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they [do it] to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible. I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

I'll even (just this once) quote the same passage from the New American Bible, Revised Edition, as posted on the Web site of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Do you not know that the runners in the stadium all run in the race, but only one wins the prize? Run so as to win. Every athlete exercises discipline in every way. They do it to win a perishable crown, but we an imperishable one. Thus I do not run aimlessly; I do not fight as if I were shadowboxing. No, I drive my body and train it, for fear that, after having preached to others, I myself should be disqualified.

So, dear friend, is the subject of that passage a literal race or a literal fight, or does it use analogies? Even your church's commentary calls that passage "a series of miniparables from sports"; are you saying that your church is wrong?

[Redeemed Papist]

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Thi s is all well and good but how do people end up praying in front of bits of dead people in preference to praying to God?

[Faithful Catholic]

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FC, Paul is not suggesting that we should self-flagellate, and then abduct ourselves and force ourselves into slavery. He is speaking metaphorically.

Cutting ain't cool. Get it?

So if you don't agree with a specific statement of Scripture then it is only metaphorical? How convenient! Paul said what he said and if you can prove it was metaphorical then I am all ears. Otherwise, Mary has missed the boat. BTW the "slavery" statement adds nothing to the conversation.
In Christ, George

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Mary, you said: "It's an integral part of the theology. They call it "Mortification" and it basically means worshiping pain. It's all very sad."

No it does not mean worshiping pain.

Yes it does. Just look at your horrible old witch, "Mother" Teresa of Calcutta. The old wench amassed millions upon millions of dollars in tax-free donations and yet couldn't be bothered to offer anything but the most primitive, unhygienic care (such as reusing rags until they could no longer be used even for bandages, reusing latex gloves, and even hypodermic needles for reuse). Nor could she be bothered to request simple medical attention for relatively easily treated conditions that could have been cured with antibiotics.

With the millions and millions of dollars she gathered, you'd think someone who worshiped God would have used a portion of that money constantly dumped on her doorstep to put a student or two through medical school to come back and help treat those in her care. Do you think that maybe our LORD Jesus Christ's parable about the servants and the talents didn't apply to her (Matthew 25:14-30; Luke 19:12-28)? To whom much is given, much is expected, unless you're an insane old hag who worships the pain in people's eyes and would do anything to maintain that desperation rather than offer medical treatment, or even a relief from pain such as being allowed to move from one's bed, or have family visitors?

Only God is deserving of our worship.

Exactly. So why do people worship pain and suffering? It distracts them from trying to get better conditions? Gives them hope that God will reduce their time in purgatory? What is it about voluntarily accepting unnecessary pain and suffering that is so special to you cathlics? It's like an obsession, a warped, deluded, masochistic obsession.

I thought you had a problem with just the extreme examples you posted. But you seem to miss one of the basic teachings of the Christian faith...the dying to self and picking up your cross.

I didn't miss that in the least. As a True Christian™ woman I know all about dying to my self. Had I not believed sincerely that the LORD is the potter and I but the clay (Isaiah 64:8), a tool to be used by Him according to His plans alone, I could have spent my youth learning those things that most appealed to me. I could have learned about molecular biology and molecular physics and such methods to find inhibitors to amyloid plaque and its contribution to Alzheimer's Disease.

My own mother is effected by such ill health and I could have spent thousands of hours by now contributing to research to learn about and ultimately treat if not prevent the loss of dignity and mental degradation of this "Greatest Generation."

Instead, because I know the LORD to be faithful when He tells us that we can pray for healing, confess our sins, and be made right again (James 5:14-15), such research is futile. Instead of finding an area of science in which I could have applied my personal interests and natural skills, I know the only choice for me would be to lay down those dreams and pick up a spatula and cook and care for my husband and family. You know what they say, Dreams and goals are Satan's way of You know what they say, Dreams and goals are Satan's way of distracting me!

As to basic mortification read Paul: 27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize. (NIV) 1 Cor 9:27

So how, pray tell, does nailing oneself to a cross help them qualify for the prize, Salvation?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

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Mary, you said: "It's an integral part of the theology. They call it "Mortification" and it basically means worshiping pain. It's all very sad."

No it does not mean worshiping pain. Only God is deserving of our worship.

I thought you had a problem with just the extreme examples you posted. But you seem to miss one of the basic teachings of the Christian faith...the dying to self and picking up your cross.

As to basic mortification read Paul: 27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize. (NIV) 1 Cor 9:27

FC, Paul is not suggesting that we should self-flagellate, and then abduct ourselves and force ourselves into slavery. He is speaking metaphorically.

Cutting ain't cool. Get it?