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  • #16
    Re: Moses Did Not Stop Working for 40 Years Because of Free Mana

    God assigned a really big task to Moses. Moses must have spent a lot of time figuring out how to carry out God's directive.

    Moses tells us what God ordered in Leviticus 22. God did not, and still does not, want to see the deformed or the disfigured. That includes people with crippled hands and feet, hunchbacks, dwarfs, eye defects, open sores or damaged testicles. There had to be quite a few such ugly people among the four million Jews and several more born during forty years in the desert.

    I could not find in the Bible what Moses did with these people. Certainly, they could not stay with those God had chosen to escape. Moses had to get rid of them. My guess is he sent them packing back to Egypt where they could be slaves.

    Here is a picture of what God wanted to see:

    Isaiah 24:1-3 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty (2)...as the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. (3) The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken his word.

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    • #17
      Re: Moses Did Not Stop Working for 40 Years Because of Free Mana

      Originally posted by Johny Joe Hold View Post
      Here is a picture of what God wanted to see:

      Quite, Mr. Mayor, not an imperfect specimen among them.

      Although Jared might be disappointed as the intellectual heir of Donald Trump Sr, to be squeezed in behind some flags at the back. Do they not know he solved the Middle East crisis? You'd think that guy'd be important. Although, Tiffany's blue dress is tough competition to be fair.
      If I have seen further, it is by standing on the heads of others.

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      • #18
        Re: Moses Did Not Stop Working for 40 Years Because of Free Mana

        Originally posted by Dr. Anthony J. Toole View Post
        Quite, Mr. Mayor, not an imperfect specimen among them.
        Although Jared might be disappointed as the intellectual heir of Donald Trump Sr, to be squeezed in behind some flags at the back. Do they not know he solved the Middle East crisis? You'd think that guy'd be important. Although, Tiffany's blue dress is tough competition to be fair.
        There will be those who notice how stunning Tiffany is in her blue dress. Add to that her law degree. It makes me suspect some sharp elbows will be pushing her to the second row in the future.
        Isaiah 24:1-3 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty (2)...as the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. (3) The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken his word.

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        • #19
          Re: Moses Did Not Stop Working for 40 Years Because of Free Mana

          Originally posted by Johny Joe Hold View Post
          Moses had plenty of work to do. Forty years, men would have forgotten how to farm
          In forty years most of them would be dead. Variable life expectancy is unlikely in so fertile a region as the Nile delta and disease or accidents (malaria or falling off a horse, say) would average out across an entire population. The Israelites were more robust than the Egyptians as demonstrated throughout Exodus.


          Exodus 1:7


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          Menes I reigned for 62 years but could have held one of the Egyptian thrones previously. Not knowing when he was born means estimating a maximum age of 170 years. Probably a bit less, though. [2] Hatshepsut didn't live as long and we have reasonable dates: she made it to 50-ish. [3] Queen Nefertiti lived some 40 years; without any Israelites to look after food production, Egyptian recipes presumably suffered to some extent. [4] King Tut is fairly well known but broke his leg and died around 20 or a few months earlier.


          170 + 50 + 40 + 20 = 280
          280 ÷ 4 = 70


          Psalm 90:10

          The Israelites set free had plenty of livestock, some forty million if New Zealand is a fair comparison. Even half that number, combined with everyone leaving Egypt dying before entering The Promised Land, suggests many farmers were aged 30 to 40 at the time —— it took 40 years for them to die off and our average life expectancy gives them 70 to 80 years altogether. With manna and quails laid on, nobody would need to actually feed anything and in particular everybody arriving with the herd after four decades would have no farming experience whatsoever. Moses would have to train them up in a desert which would be extremely demanding and then, of course, he died too.


          Deuteronomy 34:7

          It's a testament to the reliability of God's word that an eighty year old man (Moses) could embark on such a huge managerial project and despite idolatry, disobedience and general whining bring it to a conclusion (other than everyone dying before they got there) for subsequent generations to take over the recently vacant farmland and prosper.

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          • #20
            Re: Moses Did Not Stop Working for 40 Years Because of Free Mana

            I think the point here is that believers need to know that Salvation isn't Free™. There's a cost. And that cost is borne by their elders and betters - management, for example - please explain how to raise and slaughter 40 million sheep without managers. That doesn't even include Original Debt owed by all.
            If I have seen further, it is by standing on the heads of others.

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            • #21
              Re: Moses Did Not Stop Working for 40 Years Because of Free Mana

              Originally posted by Dr. Anthony J. Toole View Post
              I think the point here is that believers need to know that Salvation isn't Free™. There's a cost. And that cost is borne by their elders and betters - management, for example - please explain how to raise and slaughter 40 million sheep without managers. That doesn't even include Original Debt owed by all.
              A modern story illustrates what Moses was up against and how hard he had to work to keep that society together and functioning effectively. The story is that of Joe Biden and his son, Hunter. Joe has not been as hard working and conscientious as Moses.

              Hunter would have been born about the time of the Exodus and the forty years would be over about now. Hunter has lived on free mana. Today he does not have a job or seem know how to perform any productive task. That is because his dad did not teach him to farm or anything else except loaf around and get paid lots of money in Ukraine.

              Moses and Joe Biden are lessons for all time.
              Isaiah 24:1-3 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty (2)...as the taker of usury, so with the giver of usury to him. (3) The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken his word.

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