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  • #16
    Re: 11 Logical Proofs of Muhammad’s Prophethood

    [7 Pillars]
    1. Belief in Allah.
    2. Belief in His Prophets.
    3. Belief in His Books.
    4. Belief in His Angels.
    5. Belief in the Unseen.
    6. Belief in the Resurrection.
    7. Belief in the Qadar
    [5 Pillars]
    1. Shahada
    2. Salah
    3. Zakat
    4. Sawm
    5. Hajj
    For each and every one of those mumbojumbos, the addition of a single word, NOT, is sufficient to explain my position. That's all I need to be off pillars for life. The 6th of the 7 pillars however bears closer examination. Resurrection is explained by Jesus (for example resurrected Christians will not have a sexual identity) but what sorts of ideas were cooked up by this maniac? Hypersexuality, and what masquerades as "polyamory" in the savage here & now, is so diametrically opposed to anything Jesus taught as to make me wonder: are there degrees of diametric opposition?

    Mohammed's garbled nonsense (he'd heard someone say something sometime somewhere there was a strong wind blowing and he got hit on the head with a brick) relating to resurrection gives the lie to the whole shebang.

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    • #17
      Re: 11 Logical Proofs of Muhammad’s Prophethood

      Originally posted by MitzaLizalor View Post
      ...That's all I need to be off pillars for life...
      Not joining the Stoics, either, then?

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      • #18
        Re: 11 Logical Proofs of Muhammad’s Prophethood

        Originally posted by Didymus Much View Post
        Not joining the Stoics, either, then?
        Islam proposes all sorts of weirdness and when eventually its tenets were written down there were so many contradictions that the principle of abrogation had to be contrived. Perhaps you're suggesting that writing attributed to "Paul" was an aggregation of various traditions drawing on demoniacs like Cleanthes and comprising a branch of Greek literature?

        For that to be true, the Christian message would need to begin in the 3rd century BC and explore new avenues suggested by there being a single God imported from a nearby culture but retaining Greek ideas in fact being predominantly Greek theology developing Greek ideas of the spiritual world. That would mean rejecting the majority of Judaism except for the One God element.

        After a while a vaguely coherent corpus if ideas emerged and could be assembled in the form of letters. Extraneous premises could be argued against as vestiges of the increasingly irrelevant temples in a world where Euclid, Archimedes and Heron were winning the day. For example coin-operated vending machines and water clocks function whether you "worship" Aphrodite or Apollo or nothing. A single God with a single temple (and later a single pontiff) would concentrate resources, this model suggests.

        But that contradicts The Bible. It also contradicts then distant future ideas that would crush Arabic culture, grinding it down to what we see today apart from a few banana sultanates ruling the roost like cock sparrows. Perhaps you are an Epicurean after all?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Didymus Much View Post
          Re: 11 Logical Proofs of Muhammad’s Prophethood



          Not joining the Stoics, either, then?
          Stoics can give us good examples of living a good life.

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