[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Logic proves Bible as the most accurate book about history ever written.

That's not what I would call evidence, it's only the account of it. Evidence would be a separate entity.

Ok, now we're getting somewhere.



Since you've just admitted that you can casually discard any second-hand accounts of anything, preferring to see the evidence yourself, you tacitly admit the following are no longer true (unless you can link to your own research/experiences, of course):

- evolution
- round earth
- gravity
- genetics
- etc.

Good for you! Progress!

[MaroneyBaloney]

Re: Logic proves Bible as the most accurate book about history ever written.

That's not what I would call evidence, it's only the account of it. Evidence would be a separate entity.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Logic proves Bible as the most accurate book about history ever written.

Out of curiosity, what is the creationist evidence?

You're walking around on it!



This kind of stuff is all right there in the 1st couple of pages of the Bible...I'm surprised you missed it!



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[MaroneyBaloney]

Re: Logic proves Bible as the most accurate book about history ever written.

Out of curiosity, what is the creationist evidence?

Dr. Niles,
You are well spoken, and I can appreciate that. I don't disagree with anything you have written. As a side note, I misused double standard. But again, well written, sir.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Logic proves Bible as the most accurate book about history ever written.

Dr. Niles,
You make a faulty analogy with hopes of bringing to light a double standard. Evolution is backed by evidence we have found in scientific research; to say there are no historical documents supporting evolution is like discrediting human communication before writing due to lack of historical text.

As for the top of the thread regarding historical accuracy, did nobody think it possible that three written accounts of the same alleged event could match if they were written after one another? It's much like me writing The Great Gatsby verbatim and saying I must be divinely inspired because it matched the original account, when I simply read the original to seem inspired an consistent.

Nonsense. Creationism has far more evidence that evolution, but those who bring forth this evidence are punished. Ever see the movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed? You can watch it here for free (I know, weird for a Jew to release it for free, but the LORD works in mysterious ways):

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Logic proves Bible as the most accurate book about history ever written.

Dr. Niles,
You make a faulty analogy with hopes of bringing to light a double standard. Evolution is backed by evidence we have found in scientific research; to say there are no historical documents supporting evolution is like discrediting human communication before writing due to lack of historical text.

As for the top of the thread regarding historical accuracy, did nobody think it possible that three written accounts of the same alleged event could match if they were written after one another? It's much like me writing The Great Gatsby verbatim and saying I must be divinely inspired because it matched the original account, when I simply read the original to seem inspired an consistent.

You assert that I'm using a double standard yet do not substantiate your point. You are obviously wedded to methodological materialism and as such are making the a priori assumption that there is no God.

Your materialist philosophical decision completely rules out the teleological arguement. Does that make sense?

You may not beleive the Bible but that is what Christians do beleive and if you are attempting to use logica and reason to affect what a Christian thinks you will find that no Christian can ever be made to think critically about our beleifs when we have the Bible and our Faith to do that for us.

YIC

[MaroneyBaloney]

Re: Logic proves Bible as the most accurate book about history ever written.

Dr. Niles,
You make a faulty analogy with hopes of bringing to light a double standard. Evolution is backed by evidence we have found in scientific research; to say there are no historical documents supporting evolution is like discrediting human communication before writing due to lack of historical text.

As for the top of the thread regarding historical accuracy, did nobody think it possible that three written accounts of the same alleged event could match if they were written after one another? It's much like me writing The Great Gatsby verbatim and saying I must be divinely inspired because it matched the original account, when I simply read the original to seem inspired an consistent.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: Logic proves Bible as the most accurate book about history ever written.

Sorry, still not doing it. Could you please find some "proof" that isn't from the bible?

The Bible is the only source of information we have about God.

That's like saying 'prove to me evolution: but you can't refer to written works about evolution.

You are rigging the game and it is very disingenuous of you to do so.

YIC

[CaeruleaTigris]

Re: Logic proves Bible as the most accurate book about history ever written.

Sorry, still not doing it. Could you please find some "proof" that isn't from the bible?

[Walter Van Slyke]

Re: Logic proves Bible as the most accurate book about history ever written.

If lust isn't a bad thing then what about Matthew 5:28? "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart".

Just because God knows what lust feels like doesn't mean it's not a bad thing. Our loving Lord understands all of our shortcomings only too well; indeed, He came to Earth and experienced greater temptation than any of us will ever have to (Matthew 4:1-10), and yet did not succumb. Why? Because He is born of God and cannot sin.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Our Lord commands us to be perfect like Him, and so we are.

Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

So when you see a pretty young thing in a short dress and high heels walk past you on the street, you immediately start thinking of all the naughty things you'd love to do to her if you only had the chance. We, on the other hand, do not, because we have been made pure with the blood of our Lord and cannot sin.

[Alphonse Alban]

Re: Logic proves Bible as the most accurate book about history ever written.

If lust isn't a bad thing then what about Matthew 5:28?

Making another account does not make you any less dumb. You are still missing the point.

Wow. Stretch much?

Who claims that the Bible says that God cannot feel lust? Or, if He could, that it would be a bad thing?

Here's a crazy idea: READ THE BIBLE AND SEE WHAT IT SAYS FOR YOURSELF.

Exodus 34:14 "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:"

See? The Bible ACTUALLY SAYS that God is jealous. You don't have to pull unsupported hypotheses out of your ass when the Bible gives you everything you need.

So a much more cohesive argument to have with Christians is why:

-God is jealous

added to

-God is good

means jealousy is good (according to the Bible).

Do you now see how reading the Bible and knowing what it really says (as opposed to trying to make stuff up) helps you NOT look like a fool?

Takeaway from this: READ THE BIBLE. Start here: http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/1.htm

[ApleInc]

Re: Logic proves Bible as the most accurate book about history ever written.

Wow. Stretch much?

Who claims that the Bible says that God cannot feel lust? Or, if He could, that it would be a bad thing?

Here's a crazy idea: READ THE BIBLE AND SEE WHAT IT SAYS FOR YOURSELF.

Exodus 34:14 "For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:"

See? The Bible ACTUALLY SAYS that God is jealous. You don't have to pull unsupported hypotheses out of your ass when the Bible gives you everything you need.

So a much more cohesive argument to have with Christians is why:

-God is jealous

added to

-God is good

means jealousy is good (according to the Bible).

Do you now see how reading the Bible and knowing what it really says (as opposed to trying to make stuff up) helps you NOT look like a fool?

Takeaway from this: READ THE BIBLE. Start here: http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/1.htm

If lust isn't a bad thing then what about Matthew 5:28? "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart".

[WWJDnow]

Re: Logic proves Bible as the most accurate book about history ever written.

Logic can not prove the accuracy of the Bible as logic can not exist in God. "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." Genesis 1:27
Thus, in order for God to have logic, logic must exist in man AND woman. Surely, it is self evident that there has never been a logical woman, so the proposition fails.

If God wanted women to be logical, He wouldn't have given them periods.

[WWJDnow]

Re: Logic proves Bible as the most accurate book about history ever written.

Actually and don't hate me for saying this there is a contradiction in the Bible because it says God is all knowing and all good but if he is all good then he cant know the feeling of lust so not all knowing but if he does know the feeling of lust then he's not all good see what i mean?

You seem to be confusing knowing how something feels and actually feeling it. For example, I understand why people are frustrated that black people all expect government handouts instead of having to work for a living, but I'm not a racist.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Logic proves Bible as the most accurate book about history ever written.

I haven't seen a talking snake around these parts...

Don't worry, you'll see plenty of them in hell.