In The Beginning, Man Created God

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But I bet it was a pile of atheist doo doo!

Capt. A Portway, is not someone you need to listen to, as he in fact is not a True Christian.
As Jeb Thurmond said:
"The Bible clearly states that the sky is a solid dome, a "firmament," which was firm enough to separate waters above it from those below on the Earth. By Noah's time it was still solid enough to have windows in it that had to be opened to let the rain through. I think that false-Christians that spite on Gid's face by calling it "poetic metaphor" have given in to the godless materialists! The Bible really is literal, in the true sense of the word. The sky was a hard firmament with windows in it-and anybody who says different is a mealy-mouthed evolution-sympathizer."

[Bogdana Alkeav]

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I am used to see this mean godless denial of lord [Iisus] in my native land, but I did not have any idea that this idiocy there existed even in the large earth connected [Shtatyy] Of [amerikii]!

[Pastor Ezekiel]

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Plagarism is not only immoral, it's a crime.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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In The Beginning, Man [...] has evidence.

Your verbose post will not hold water at The Final Judgment."

[Meek and Humble]

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So you come on here and just blindly post things written by others? What's the matter? You can't think of anything on your own? This is just more proof of what I already knew - atheists are incapable of thinking for themselves. They simply rely on the words of "experts" and "scientists" and the "media" to do all of the thinking for them, parroting back what they have been taught like good little brainwashed zombies.

If you actually opened your mind, you might find real answers. As it is, I waste no time debating someone who obviously has nothing to say for himself.

[Capt. Aaron Portway]

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But I bet it was a pile of atheist doo doo!

[Brother Lazarus]

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You think you're pretty smart to come here and be a troll. Well Mr Unwise you really aren't very bright. You're not going to change any minds here. It's OBVIOUS that you spent NO time checking out our website or reading through the many threads that make it clear who and what we are.

We are True Christians and believe EVERY SINGLE WORD of the AV1611. It is the absolute Word of God. We know this and would never think of turning our back on God and being condemned to literal Hellfire.

I think you need to roam around this site and learn a few things before you go insulting us again.

After you've done as I have politely asked, please post an introduction on the introduction thread.

Thanks!

Yours in Christ
Brother Lazarus

[Yahweh_is_Yahgay]

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Classic Dawkins. I like it.

[WiseAss]

In The Beginning, Man Created God
“The unknown is always either feared or worshiped.”
- Unknown Contextomy
If you are a theist and you’re reading this I would say with much confidence that you don’t worship Zeus, or Thor, or any of the ancient gods from the early civilizations of man. Why? Why were these ideas dismissed as time went on? The explanation is staring you in the face. It was because science has steadily overturned the superstitions of these religions. Such as why there are changes in the seasons, or the currents in the ocean. Both of which had been explained by religious belief in Greek mythology. Now we have an explanation for both of these. Why? Because of science, and its progression in steadily filling in the holes of the unknown. Unlike religion, science doesn’t stare wide-eyed at the unknown and say “Well, God must have done it.” Science takes the unknown and puts it to the test.

Next we’ll start off with the architecture of the human mind, and the pieces that generate religious belief. An organism is an integrated collection of problem solving devices, adaptations if you want to call them that, that were shaped by natural selection over evolutionary time to promote, in some specific way, the survival of genes that directed their construction. The heart solves the problem of pumping blood, hemoglobin solves the problem of transporting oxygen, the lungs solve the problem of extracting oxygen from the air. These statements above can also be put into perspective and looked at about the human mind. The mind is nature’s computer, which has evolved through millions of years, and through the common ancestors of H. erectus and H. neanderthalensis, that supports human intelligence. These problem solvers spur off superstition as a by-product. Now, what is a by-product? I’ll give you an example: Reading and Writing. None of us have reading or writing modules in our brains. It’s a by-product of fine motor-skills, vision, and the ability to produce complex thought. Reading and Writing is something that we can do because our minds have the indirect ability to complete these tasks. Religion is simply an artifact of our ability to imagine alternate social worlds, and our desire to conquer the unknown. However, the primitive cavemen didn’t have any explanation for how they got there, so they imagined that some higher being did it, the highest ideal, if you will.

Religion argues with science by generally saying “The chance that life could be supported without a designer is too small, or impossible. And that it had to have been God that created life.” Well, say somehow there were no planets, we just drifted in space, but space had air, the strong force, and the weak force. And we conducted our lives without gravity, and we knew how to do this because we had adapted to do so over time. It is quite obvious that you don’t need gravity to survive, obviously it isn’t as healthy has having gravity, but you can survive it. Plus you have to take in to account that if humans had been evolved that way their bodies would be much more accustomed to living without gravity. It is a simple fact that humans could live without gravity, as they do on trips to the moon, and on manned-observation satellites. I just took out 1 of the 3 fundamental interactions, and human life could still be supported.

Next we’ll go into intuitive reasoning, something which everyone has. An example of this would be: you could mistake a shadow for a burglar. But you would never mistake a burglar for a shadow. This is what we would call Minimally Counterintuitive Worlds, or MCI’s. This is an optimal compromise between the interesting, and the expected. And it gives us attention arresting, and memorable thoughts. Let me illustrate for you: If I were to tell you a tree could do your taxes, reprogram your computer, and do you laundry, you would undoubtedly not believe me. However, if I tell you that the same tree, on the night of a full moon, will hear your wishes and grant them, you might me more vulnerable to believing me. All supernatural templates have these counterintuitive physical properties, such as God is just a guy, only with some alterations, and you fill in the blanks without thinking about it. With it there’s no violation of basic human assumption. It may have some counterintuitive biology, such as the virgin birth in Christianity, but other than that, Mary was otherwise, just a normal person. Possibly some counterintuitive psychology, such as God knows what I’m thinking. But if God were to know what I am thinking, then why would I have to pray to him? Why? Because those basic assumptions about humanness are all still intact. That’s why you start to believe it, and later ends up sticking in your head. You can look at any religious system, and it will always fit this model.

Moral Feeling Systems: Obviously religion just attacks these, there’s no denying it. Religion recruits the feelings of these to lend plausibility to a god. It uses these moral systems to link commitment mechanisms. And religious morality adds morally competent witness to one’s actions. There is a difference, in my opinion to morality and religious dogma though. Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what we are told. Religious dogma is doing what we are told, regardless of what is right. Something related to this is altruistic punishment, or the willingness to punish social cheats at a cost to ourselves. This is again a cognitive mechanism that all of us have. Suicide terrorism, although an extreme way of doing it, is an example of this.

Religious Rituals: these arise from threat response systems. If you’re a Christian, you obviously don’t want to go to hell. So you take part in the ritual of baptism, or the Sabbath. Both of which are compelling and rigidly scripted. Usually religious rituals have to do with cleansing or order. These religious rituals enable and elicit scrutiny of hard-to-fake signals of commitment. It helps the person partaking in the religious rituals communicate their intentions. Not to mention that they create hope, solace, excite, and entertain the mind. They also exploit the Gestalt Law of the Whole. An example of this would be that if you see a shape of a V of birds flying in the air, you mainly see the V. You don’t really pay much attention to the individual birds. It’s the same with religious groups. If a whole congregation of people participate in the same ritual, then it entices you to become more active in what is going on. Religion exploits this by creating attention arresting, memorable, and often intimidating sights.

More cognitive mechanisms that help us imagine God is confirmation bias, which is just the fact that you notice data that fits your beliefs. Such as “Mere” familiarity, which is similar to confirmation bias.
Children today are what keeps religion growing. Parents spoon-feed their children superstition and make it into the unshakable truth they see it as when they become adults. Children should be taught about ALL religions, and philosophies, and then be allowed to make their own decision. Children will blindly accept anything their parents tell them is true. This is obviously because they are still in a phase of mental expansion and growth. They do not have the capacity to question things as large as religion. Parents commonly teach and label children with their own mythology. Virtually all adults agree that children don’t have the intellectual capability to comprehend politics, or to know what party they stand for. Why, then, do we label our children with our view on the origin of life? Children absorb everything they hear, and it is child abuse to cherry pick certain morals from religious texts such as the bible and force them down a child’s throat, while ignoring other texts and phrases from the same and different views.

Overall, religious belief is a by-product used to entertain the mind. It has virtually no purpose in life and should not control people’s lives. Science has constantly torn down religious superstition and replaced it with either fact or a hypothesis based on evidence. Science and religion cannot live together when religion attempts to laugh in the face of science and ignore its discoveries. There is simply no such thing as “Creation Science” when creationism mocks science in almost every way. It’s real vs. fake, and only one side has evidence.