[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

That just goes to show how perfect GOD is! If you were designing the universe, would you think of designing the human body to include a feature specifically designed to make life easier for one prospective father-in-law in several centuries' time? No, because you are a woman, and thus incapable of thinking.

How does it make it easier??
Like I said, the whole mark of the covenant thing is silly, seeing as the Ancient Egyptians were doing it first.

Did you just equate GOD and Satan?

I know, I know, I don't like Macs much either.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

I'm sorry, BT, but that argument is just silly. That incident you mention was a one-off. Never again does the bible mention any such thing.

That just goes to show how perfect GOD is! If you were designing the universe, would you think of designing the human body to include a feature specifically designed to make life easier for one prospective father-in-law in several centuries' time? No, because you are a woman, and thus incapable of thinking.

I mean, unless you think your deity is like... whoever invented Macintosh.

Did you just equate GOD and Satan?

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

How many times to I have to explain it to you, you bilthering idiotic heathen. After men sinned things went wrong. Apart from that, if man had been perfect there would have been no need for Free Will, etc. There are some who argue that all these problems and malfuntions that men are heir to were not there in Adam in the garden, but were introduced later when Adam sinned.

But what does that have to do with Adam having a foreskin? Are you saying it just appeared when he ate the apple?

Clearly your eyes have been blinded by Satan. A child can understand what I've just said but you can't. Why is that? Adam may have been much closer to perfect, but after Adam sinned mankind became subject to illnessess and other problems.

Like a foreskin??
The bible doesn't say:
'And because of thy sins, Adam, I shall place imperfection upon thy manliness, that it may be snipped by thee and thine forevermore.'

How many times does this have to repeated before you can grasp it.

God obviously chose not to make a perfect universe anyway, because he allowed sin.

The bible doesn't refer to a universe being made at all, only the planet earth. And you'd think an intelligent designer would take out as many problems as possible.
I mean, unless you think your deity is like Bill Gates and Microsoft...or whoever invented Macintosh.

If you want to know why, I suggest that you ask him -- you may have half a chance just before he hurtles you into the Lake of Fire with all the other witches.

I'll start worrying about that around the time I'll start worrying about getting coal in my stocking.

And pagan wiccan, what's the bleeding difference? In the sight of God nothing! You are all heathen trash.

The same as there is a difference between you and catholics, even though your beliefs are exceedingly similar in many ways.

And why doesn't your pagan God or Gods sort things out then? You know, the ones you sacrifice animals too. And human children when things go really bad.

Hey!
Cooking an already dead suckling pig is NOT the same as killing it myself. And would you stop with the human sacrifice thing already??
From the sounds of things, xtians seem to be more expert than me on human sacrifices....as are in the bible....done by xtians!

And what have you and your witch friend done with Daniel? The DOF is investigating, you know?

Eno, sweetie, you really need to accept that was just a movie. There isn't a Lord Summerisle.

[Enobarbus]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

Eno, my dear, sweet, Eno, you know I'm not wiccan. The god and goddess belief is not what I hold.
Pagan, not wiccan. I'm surprised at you! You usually have a very good memory.

Anyway, back on topic.
You'd assume that if a being were designing the universe and had potential to make perfect design, why not do so?

Let's pretend for a moment that I think the bible god is real (which I do not). It's as though he was like 'oops, forgot to fix that...hmmm....how can I fix that....OH!! I know!! Make it a sign of the covenant! That way I can use it AND they won't think to blame me for my oops!! BOOYAH!!! Go me!!'

How many times to I have to explain it to you, you bilthering idiotic heathen. After men sinned things went wrong. Apart from that, if man had been perfect there would have been no need for Free Will, etc. There are some who argue that all these problems and malfuntions that men are heir to were not there in Adam in the garden, but were introduced later when Adam sinned.

Clearly your eyes have been blinded by Satan. A child can understand what I've just said but you can't. Why is that? Adam may have been much closer to perfect, but after Adam sinned mankind became subject to illnessess and other problems.

How many times does this have to repeated before you can grasp it.

God obviously chose not to make a perfect universe anyway, because he allowed sin.

If you want to know why, I suggest that you ask him -- you may have half a chance just before he hurtles you into the Lake of Fire with all the other witches.

And pagan wiccan, what's the bleeding difference? In the sight of God nothing! You are all heathen trash.

And why doesn't your pagan God or Gods sort things out then? You know, the ones you sacrifice animals too. And human children when things go really bad.

And what have you and your witch friend done with Daniel? The DOF is investigating, you know?

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

You know, your obsession with male tallywackers is revolting, and your arguments are absurd, VanHellbound. How can you presume to know how God thinks? How huge your feminazi ego must be, to question God's tallywacker design!

Well, considering that you men seem to think yourselves to be perfection incarnate, it's rather odd that there are so many imperfections about the male form.

A banana has a yellow peel, yes? Do we eat this peel? No, of course not. In order to get to the delicious fruit, the long firm succulent white tube deep into your mouth, you have to remove the peel, yes? Now, would you call that a mistake by God? I should hope not. Now all you have to do is close your eyes and apply the same imagery to a tallywacker....

What a silly you are, Zeke!
The banana peel can be eaten, if one's determined enough. But the same as anything with a shell. Simply an outer coating. Crabs and lobsters have shells. Do we eat them? Nope. Why? Because the crab or lobster uses them, not us.
And what does that have to do with circumcision?? One does not 'peel' a tallywhacker before they.....umm.....you know. Unless they are peeling off something artificial that was put on there.
The foreskin has no essential, life or death purpose, whereas the banana peel does, to the banana.

Anyway.....God designs things for His own reasons. That includes tallywackers and bananas and everything else. You should be on your knees thanking Him for such perfection!

In other words, you're agreeing with my 'oops!' theory?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

Anyway, back on topic.
You'd assume that if a being were designing the universe and had potential to make perfect design, why not do so?

Let's pretend for a moment that I think the bible god is real (which I do not). It's as though he was like 'oops, forgot to fix that...hmmm....how can I fix that....OH!! I know!! Make it a sign of the covenant! That way I can use it AND they won't think to blame me for my oops!! BOOYAH!!! Go me!!'

You know, your obsession with male tallywackers is revolting, and your arguments are absurd, VanHellbound. How can you presume to know how God thinks? How huge your feminazi ego must be, to question God's tallywacker design!

Lets look at the banana. Its design is evidence that God is 100% real, as you have seen HERE. But it also may be helpful to use as an illustration to show you how idiotic your darwinista propaganda is.

A banana has a yellow peel, yes? Do we eat this peel? No, of course not. In order to get to the delicious fruit, the long firm succulent white tube deep into your mouth, you have to remove the peel, yes? Now, would you call that a mistake by God? I should hope not. Now all you have to do is close your eyes and apply the same imagery to a tallywacker....

Anyway.....God designs things for His own reasons. That includes tallywackers and bananas and everything else. You should be on your knees thanking Him for such perfection!

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

There's nothing funnier than a secularist pretending to understand Creation Science.

LOL!

I'd have to say there is few things funnier than a blatant admission of defeat like the fine example above.

[Virginia Day Templeton]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

There's nothing funnier than a secularist pretending to understand Creation Science.

LOL!

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

Eno, my dear, sweet, Eno, you know I'm not wiccan. The god and goddess belief is not what I hold.
Pagan, not wiccan. I'm surprised at you! You usually have a very good memory.

Anyway, back on topic.
You'd assume that if a being were designing the universe and had potential to make perfect design, why not do so?

Let's pretend for a moment that I think the bible god is real (which I do not). It's as though he was like 'oops, forgot to fix that...hmmm....how can I fix that....OH!! I know!! Make it a sign of the covenant! That way I can use it AND they won't think to blame me for my oops!! BOOYAH!!! Go me!!'

[Enobarbus]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

I'm sorry, BT, but that argument is just silly. That incident you mention was a one-off. Never again does the bible mention any such thing.

Which then goes back to the whole covenant thing, which then goes back to the fact that there were people doing it a LONG time before xtianity or judaism came about!

Can't you get it into you singularly sinful and incomparably thick head that there is a difference between "intelligent" design and "perfect" design.

In the garden of Eden before the woman Eve gave into the serpent (women have been doing something similar ever since) Adam and Eve had no illness or other problems. With sin came illness and all the other problems that men are heir to. Savvy?

But there is no such explanation for your fictional goddess and god, is there? Why do they allow illness, evil, war, etc.

Answer that you heathen.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

I'm sorry, BT, but that argument is just silly. That incident you mention was a one-off. Never again does the bible mention any such thing.

Which then goes back to the whole covenant thing, which then goes back to the fact that there were people doing it a LONG time before xtianity or judaism came about!

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

I'm sorry, BT, but that argument is rather silly. Not to mention a contadiction. If the foreskin removal was meant to be a sign of the covenant, than by removing the foreskin of the philistines, would that make them part of the covenant too?

No. The point is that he was removing the foreskins from corpses, as Our Loving God commanded. The fact that the corpses still had corpses proved that they were not True Proto-Christians™ in life, and thus it was fine to kill them. Foreskins are needed as physical proof that an unsaved sinner is not part of the covenant - if foreskins didn't exist, then one could just slaughter me, Pastor Ezekiel and Brother Bobby-Joe, and then hand our non-existent foreskins in pretending they belonged to the top leadership of Al-Qaida or the Democratic Party. Think about it.

But the point is, in every discussion of forekins in the bible, it is said that they should be removed. And if they were so offensive and disgusting, why would they be wanted as a dowry?

As proof that any prospective husband was good at killing unsaved, uncircumcised proto-ragheads, duh.

And not to mention the whole covenant thing. First you claim one thing, then the other. Which is it??

BOTH, you insufferably backwards witch!

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

I'm sorry, BT, but that argument is rather silly. Not to mention a contadiction. If the foreskin removal was meant to be a sign of the covenant, than by removing the foreskin of the philistines, would that make them part of the covenant too?

But the point is, in every discussion of forekins in the bible, it is said that they should be removed. And if they were so offensive and disgusting, why would they be wanted as a dowry?
And not to mention the whole covenant thing. First you claim one thing, then the other. Which is it??

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

Anyway, back on topic, I'm amazed that no-one's yet pointed out the obvious proof that God designed foreskins:
1 Samuel 18:25 And Saul said, Thus shall ye say to David, The king desireth not any dowry, but an hundred foreskins of the Philistines, to be avenged of the king's enemies. But Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines.
26 And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king's son in law: and the days were not expired.
27 Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife.

See, GOD clearly designed foreskins so that David could use them for dowry. Pretty simple, really.

[Lady Sorrow]

Re: Circumcision - how do you explain that with intelligent desig

Mister Hairy, I only said that while you aren't a True Christian man, I can't consider you as a potential suitor. If you were to become Saved, then all that would change, provided that the Pastors agreed to such a match.

As to this topic, how vile!
It's easy to see what Mrs VanHellthing has on her mind 24/7! Dimwitted harlot, you answered your own question. The ideas were pre-stolen by the devil and his minions, and the possessed Ancient Egyptians made those carvings so to confuse more people and stop them being saved.
Circumcision is an act as a mark of the covenant. And once a Godly man is found for me, if he isn't already circumcised, I will insist that he is.