[Goatski]

Re: Aryan Subraces

Let it be known that I do not claim to be Gnostic. I'm only beginning in the Gnostic studies, practically speaking.

And yet you speak with such authority. You correct me. You claim to comprehend the truth and furthermore accuse me of misinterpretation.

Does the student teach the Master?

Tell me, is it the Being that lends you such superlative objective reasoning or is it merely the ego which speaks through you. Take your time.

Do you, Goatski, really believe that features of the Caucasian races are the only ones that represent Divinity?

You may call me Han Gebur. "Goatski" is a word an administrator inserted as my username. Nothing more.

To answer your question, no aesthetic form represents divinity. Even the tenebreous ones may appear beautiful and pure. However, the "European" form is the form in which the gods manifest.

And even though many students of Samael Aun Weor do not often depict non-Caucasian images of Divinity on their websites and such; does not mean that the White Lodge itself considers non-Caucasian so-called features to be any less Divine than Caucasian so-called features (also note that Nilotic Africans often have so-called "Nordic" structural features, even though they are of the Black Race).

And what do you know of the White Lodge?

Anyhow, even if I'm full of ego and do not have Solar Bodies, and even though I'm only a beginner who is ignorant, uncharitable, impatient, etc.; does not change the fact that what you've said in the above quote is a misrepresentation of the teachings of Samael Aun Weor. This is nothing personal against you. Keep studying.

What do you know of facts? Of Truth?

P.S. My apologies for my initial overzealousness.

Do not apologize to me. Change.

[Gnostic Apprentice]

Re: Aryan Subraces

Rev. M. Rodimer, I don't know how many times I have to emphasize that H.P. Blavatsky wrote that only some African tribes are devolving. It's not racism, because she never said that they are devolving because of their race. H.P. Blavatsky also wrote that there are many people of the white race on this planet who are devolving.

"Skepticism may sneer; faith, based on knowledge and spiritual science, believes and affirms.

"Our present cycle is preeminently one of such soul-deaths. We elbow soulless men and women at every step in life. Neither can we wonder, in the present state of things, at the gigantic failure of Hegel's and Schelling's last efforts at some metaphysical construction of a system. When facts, palpable and tangible facts of phenomenal Spiritualism happen daily and hourly, and yet are denied by the majority of "civilized" nations, little chance is there for the acceptance of purely abstract metaphysics by the ever-growing crowd of materialists."

"Arabian, the Thibetan, an intuitive perception of the possibilities of occult natural forces in subjection to human will, comes by inheritance; and in them, the physical senses as well as the spiritual are far more finely developed than in the Western races. Notwithstanding the notable difference of thickness between the skulls of a European and a Southern Hindu, this difference, being a purely climatic result, due to the intensity of the sun's rays, involves no psychological principles. Furthermore, there would be tremendous difficulties in the way of training, if we can so express it. Contaminated by centuries of dogmatic superstition, by an ineradicable -- though quite unwarranted -- sense of superiority over those whom the English term so contemptuously "niggers," the white European would hardly submit himself to the practical tuition of either Kopt, Brahman, or Lama. To become a neophyte, one must be ready to devote himself heart and soul to the study of mystic sciences. Magic -- most imperative of mistresses -- brooks no rival. Unlike other sciences, a theoretical knowledge of formulai without mental capacities or soul powers, is utterly useless in magic. The spirit must hold in complete subjection the combativeness of what is loosely termed educated reason, until facts have vanquished cold human sophistry." – Isis Unveiled

And FYI, I have read the Bible from cover to cover, and have also read from cover to cover many other scriptures and Gnostic books. Practically speaking, it can also be affirmed that transmutation or sublimation actually works. Beyond that, I will say no more here about my own individual experience.


Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson, that translation from "gnosis.org" mentions "Yahweh" who is the chief of demons according to Samael Aun Weor. Samael Aun Weor wrote that Jehovah, יהוה, or Yah-Hovah, is the right pronunciation of the Hebrew Tetragrammaton; and that "Yahweh" is a mispronunciation of the Tetragrammaton. Well Yahweh is a "correct" pronunciation if someone intends on invoking a demon. But it is taught that those who intend to follow Christ, will pronounce the Tetragrammaton as Yod-Havah.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Aryan Subraces

Greetings Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson

That appears to be from the Apocryphon of John; however I do not know if you've quoted a reliable translation of it or not.

The following translation with commentary is apparently not yet finished, but it's a great start:

Apocryphon of John

About the appearances of the said Archons, they must be Kabbalistic and symbolic, just as Ezekiel's vision in the Old Testament is Kabbalistic and symbolic.

Interesting, so all of Ezekiel is symbolic? I guess they could quit with the planning for their jew temple, in that case?

Also, my translation was from here. It is close to the Nag Hammadi book my kids got me for Christmas. They know I devour this stuff.

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Aryan Subraces

H.P. Blavatsky did write that there are Australian tribes and some African Tribes from Lemuria and Atlantis who are devolving.

It appears she wrote that there are tribes who are inferior races, lacking the God-given "spark".

Seems Madame Blavatsky was a bigoted, white-supremacist spiritualist looking for supernatural justification of her racism.

Let it be known that I do not claim to be Gnostic. I'm only beginning in the Gnostic studies, practically speaking.

So basically you're a Gnostard, not only ignorant of Gnosticism but also of Christianity, and here to tell we accomplished and learned Christians that we don't understand Christianity.

Sounds about right. Just like nominal Christians who have never read the Bible, and come here to tell us what Jesus would do.

[Gnostic Apprentice]

Re: Aryan Subraces

I meant to write: ...just as the Hajoth ha Kadosh or Holy Creatures of Ezekiel's vision in the Old Testament are Kabbalistic and symbolic.

[Gnostic Apprentice]

Re: Aryan Subraces

Greetings Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson

That appears to be from the Apocryphon of John; however I do not know if you've quoted a reliable translation of it or not.

The following translation with commentary is apparently not yet finished, but it's a great start:

Apocryphon of John

About the appearances of the said Archons, they must be Kabbalistic and symbolic, just as Ezekiel's vision in the Old Testament is Kabbalistic and symbolic.

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Aryan Subraces

Maybe one of you could explain this to me. I have never understood it. We were researching the Gnostic texts as a part of our know thy enemy campaign.

Here are the seven Authorities’ names and physical forms:
First, Athoth with a sheep’s face
Second, Eloaios with a donkey’s face
Third, Astaphaios with a hyena’s face
Fourth, Yao with the face of a seven headed snake
Fifth, Sabaoth who has the face of a dragon
Sixth, Adonin whose face is that of a monkey
Seventh, Sabbataios with a face of flame and fire.

Erm, I'm invisible here. Please continue.

[Gnostic Apprentice]

Re: Aryan Subraces

Let it be known that I do not claim to be Gnostic. I'm only beginning in the Gnostic studies, practically speaking.

Nonetheless, your following quoted words do not accurately convey the teachings of Samael Aun Weor in regard to Divinity in relation to the Root Races (and again, H.P. Blavatsky wrote that only some African tribes are devolving).

The Gods are all caucasion in appearance so perhaps that's why they made the first modern day humans in their image: The Nordic image.

Clearly the nordic phenotype of blonde hair, blue eyes, fair skin, straight nose, etc. are shared in common with the gods.

In a land full of semetic people Jesus went out of his way to make sure he was born in a caucasion body. One can only assume he wanted to remain in the image of god while on earth while at the same time humanizing himself by having dark hair and eyes.

Clearly, the negroids of Africa and Australia aren't human like the rest of us for they are not mentioned by the Great Master in any context. More than likely they are humanoids from the past Lemurian root race in the process of de-evolution.

Do you, Goatski, really believe that features of the Caucasian races are the only ones that represent Divinity?

White Lodge

That ancient collection of pure souls who maintain the highest and most sacred of sciences: White Magic or White Tantra. It is called White due to its purity and cleanliness. This “Brotherhood” or “Lodge” includes human beings of the highest order from every race, culture, creed and religion, and of both sexes.

And even though many students of Samael Aun Weor do not often depict non-Caucasian images of Divinity on their websites and such; does not mean that the White Lodge itself considers non-Caucasian so-called features to be any less Divine than Caucasian so-called features (also note that Nilotic Africans often have so-called "Nordic" structural features, even though they are of the Black Race).

Anyhow, even if I'm full of ego and do not have Solar Bodies, and even though I'm only a beginner who is ignorant, uncharitable, impatient, etc.; does not change the fact that what you've said in the above quote is a misrepresentation of the teachings of Samael Aun Weor. This is nothing personal against you. Keep studying.


P.S. My apologies for my initial overzealousness.


Best Regards

[Goatski]

Re: Aryan Subraces

I admit, I shouldn't have been so harsh in my posting. If I could edit my first post here I would, to tone it down. Nonetheless, what you are quoting here by H.P. Blavatsky does not contradict my posts. Please go back and read my posts and compare them to what you've quoted from H.P. Blavatsky. And if you have time and are interested, read this thread on the Gnostic forums.

Lo, I merely quoted from the works of H.P. Blavatsky. That is all. I am no more in opposition to you then than a boulder is opposed to a gale force wind.

Why are you so obsessed with opposing me? Disagreeing with me. Defending against me. If you must be defensive, defend against yourself. Many call themselves Gnostic and gnow nothing. Meditate on this.

"Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." Matthew 15:14

About your avatar picture. I'm not saying that it depicts a black hood (I can't exactly tell, but it looks like it does), however if it does depict a black hood; keep this in mind:

If it is not a black hood, then my apologies.

It is a black hood of a black winter coat. That is all.

I have something for you to meditate upon.

"It is notrighteousness that you turn your faces towards the East and the West, butrighteousness is this that one should believe in God and the last day and the angels and the Book and the prophets, and give away wealth out of love for Him to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and the beggars and for the captives, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate; and the performers of their promise when they make a promise, and the patient in distress and affliction and in time of conflicts-- these are they who are true and these are they who guard." Quran 2:177

"And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding? Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man." Matthew 16-20

[Pastor William Nathaniel Sampson]

Re: Aryan Subraces

Maybe one of you could explain this to me. I have never understood it. We were researching the Gnostic texts as a part of our know thy enemy campaign.

Here are the seven Authorities’ names and physical forms:
First, Athoth with a sheep’s face
Second, Eloaios with a donkey’s face
Third, Astaphaios with a hyena’s face
Fourth, Yao with the face of a seven headed snake
Fifth, Sabaoth who has the face of a dragon
Sixth, Adonin whose face is that of a monkey
Seventh, Sabbataios with a face of flame and fire.

[Gnostic Apprentice]

Re: Aryan Subraces

The Gods are all caucasion in appearance so perhaps that's why they made the first modern day humans in their image: The Nordic image.

Clearly the nordic phenotype of blonde hair, blue eyes, fair skin, straight nose, etc. are shared in common with the gods.

"The First Root Race was gigantic and black in color...."

"They are the Glacial Men, who, for the good of this poor suffering humanity, still exist."

"Individuals of such a group which correspond to the first race.... ...have preserved their original purity."

"Presently, the members of such a group, have a beautiful human size and presence similar to our own. They have perfect bodies of flesh and bone, and great wisdom. Indeed, they are the living prototype of what all of the populace of the Earth should be." - Gazing At the Mystery

Clearly, the negroids of Africa and Australia aren't human like the rest of us for they are not mentioned by the Great Master in any context. More than likely they are humanoids from the past Lemurian root race in the process of de-evolution.

Again, H.P. Blavatsky wrote that only some of the African tribes are devolving.

[Gnostic Apprentice]

Re: Aryan Subraces

I admit, I shouldn't have been so harsh in my posting. If I could edit my first post here I would, to tone it down. Nonetheless, what you are quoting here by H.P. Blavatsky does not contradict my posts. Please go back and read my posts and compare them to what you've quoted from H.P. Blavatsky. And if you have time and are interested, read this thread on the Gnostic forums.

About your avatar picture. I'm not saying that it depicts a black hood (I can't exactly tell, but it looks like it does), however if it does depict a black hood; keep this in mind:

Among the masters of the White Lodge, not one wears a black hood. The Master Zanoni (a White Master), dresses in a black tunic and wears a distinguished mantle of the same color, but never a black hood. This is because the black hood is only for black magicians.

If it is not a black hood, then my apologies.

[Brother Harold Porter]

Re: Aryan Subraces

Noticed another typo. Why can't we edit our posts on these forums anyway?

Why don't you take a deep breath and the time to do it right the first time? There is no rush to clack your keys in furious hatred of the Truth and Salvation of Christianity, my friend.

Jesus loves you.

In Him

[Goatski]

Re: Aryan Subraces

I felt your negative psychological aggregates, like tentacles, reach across the fifth dimension to grab at my very being. I say unto you that I, Han Gebur, Adept of the White Lodge and Angel of the Fourth Sephirah subdued your unconscious creations and caste them back into the Abyss. I have come to you to address your psychological turmoil and remove the blot from thine eye.

"Goatski" and "Andrew Shaw", make sure to at least study what H.P. Blavatsky and V.M. Samael Aun Weor actually wrote.

"Of such semi-animal creatures, the sole remnants known to Ethnology were the Tasmanians, a portion of the Australians and a mountain tribe in China, the men and women of which are entirely covered with hair. They were the last descendants in a direct line of the semi-animal latter-day Lemurians referred to. There are, however, considerable numbers of the mixed Lemuro-Atlantean peoples produced by various crossings with such semi-human stocks -- e.g., the wild men of Borneo, the Veddhas of Ceylon, classed by Prof. Flower among Aryans (!), most of the remaining Australians, Bushmen, Negritos, Andaman Islanders, etc." - H.P. Blavatsky's "The Secret Doctrine", Vol. 2, pages 195-6.


"Mankind is obviously divided into god-informed men and lower human creatures. The intellectual difference between the Aryan and other civilized nations and such savages as the South Sea Islanders, is inexplicable on any other grounds. No amount of culture, nor generations of training amid civilization, could raise such human specimens as the Bushmen, the Veddhas of Ceylon, and some African Tribes, to the same intellectual level as the Aryans, the Semites, and the Turanians so called. The 'sacred spark' is missing in them and it is they who are the only inferior races on the globe, now happily -- owing to the wise adjustment of nature which ever works in that direction -- fast dying out. Verily mankind is 'of one blood,' but not of the same essence. We are the hot-house, artificially quickened plants in nature, having in us a spark, which in them is latent." - H.P. Blavatsky's "The Secret Doctrine", Vol. 2, page 421


"Thus will mankind, race after race, perform its appointed cycle-pilgrimage. Climates will, and have already begun, to change, each tropical year after the other dropping one sub-race, but only to beget another higher race on the ascending cycle; while a series of other less favoured groups -- the failures of nature -- will, like some individual men, vanish from the human family without even leaving a trace behind" - H.P. Blavatsky's "The Secret Doctrine", Vol. 2, page 446.


Truth is not racist. It is.

What the White Lodge actually teaches, has nothing to do with the racist nonsense you guys are saying.

Racist? Please refrain from such slanderous comments. Nothing I mentioned was in the least bit racist. There is no need to invoke such negative majicks. Words possess power over those who walk unconsciously. For God created the Heavens and the Kingdom through the Word.

[Gnostic Apprentice]

Re: Aryan Subraces

Noticed another typo, which should read:

Also, there have been on this Earth devolving humanoids with non-melanated skin; the Neanderthals for example.

Unfortunately, the majority of the people on this planet are now entering devolution, regardless of race.

Why can't we edit our posts on these forums anyway?