[RomanK]

Re: Symbolism

Clearly talking about the Jews! man your thick!

Why do I hate jesus? I don't hate the man, I hate the followers that think they're doing homage to the man with the blasphemy of a book wrote by his opposers. The pharisee, indeed were not symbols for you can't speak agaisnt a symbol, only comment on it.

[Brother Helge]

Re: Symbolism

For indeed we are the children of Satan just as the bible says,

You've got it all wrong... Again...

John 8:44
"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do."

Jesus is clearly talking about the joos.

Why do you hate Jesus so much?

[RomanK]

Re: Symbolism

Well then you should very easily be able to tell me all the good acts that the citizens themselves aquired to defend their teachings!? Otherwise the implications are illrelavent. Yet a majority of the teachers like Saul and Moses were murders. Pol was a Pharisee. And considering most all punishments are to be acted out in a form of death, I can't in good conscious believe for one second God had anything to do with writting the bible.

For indeed we are the children of Satan just as the bible says, as well we have all commited sin and he who says other wise is a liar. If being saved by jesus is a personal experience, then truely it is an evolving and de-evolving criteria, since non can lay claim to the actual concept, provable by the fact that it is of a personal view. Thus in turn their is no true guideline.

If you wanna see the true face of a mans soul, look upon the face of the earth and see it's desecration.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Symbolism

If the Kingdom of Heaven had been within these people, in their hearts (as individuals where - if those individuals looked they would find enlightenment) then Jesus would not have used the example that, being evil nothing good could come from them. I prefer the idea that (collectively) they were custodians of God's actual (rather than symbolic) Law but could not implement or teach it, because they were a group comprising corrupt individuals.

In the same way the false church of Rome had preserved God's Law and the message of its fulfillment in Jesus - but were unable to implement ot teach it because they were corrupt. What they taught was, and remains, false. If their theologians are aware of the actual message of The Bible but teach something else, they are also hypocrites. The Roman cult of Sol Invictus is at all times demonic whether it is masquerading as Christianity, or not.

[RomanK]

Re: Symbolism

The Pharisees at the time of Jesus were a symbol of the Law: the Mosaic Law and what is sometimes called the Levitical Law. If you read it you will see that these were both revealed through Moses. There is a large body of material describing how these laws were applied - and often wrongly applied - by the Israelites, leading up to the advent of Jesus and including His comments regarding the ideas of the Pharisees (and other groups) at that time.

Matthew 12 ©1611
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being euil, speake good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Interesting, so what your saying is that if your heart is filled full of love, that it too can be portrayed as the serpents den. I love how you love to answer questions.


Matthew 23 ©1611
33 Yee serpents, yee generation of vipers, How can yee escape the damnation of hell?

I think figuratively seems to be more correct. For you ignore the one who asks the question!

I forget, they will ask for signs and wonders and will not see them. For they know not how to look nor how to see or hear.

Deuteronomy 28 ©1611
1 And it shall come to passe, if thou shalt hearken diligently vnto the voyce of the Lord thy God, to obserue and to doe all his Commandements which I command thee this day; that the Lord thy God will set thee on high aboue all nations of the earth.

Really, were exactly are these people or does this only happen once, what happens when you die before it happens?

15 But it shal come to passe, if thou wilt not hearken vnto the voyce of the Lord thy God, to obserue to doe all his Commandements and his Statutes, which I command thee this day, that all these curses shall come vpon thee, and ouertake thee.
28 The Lord shall smite thee with madnesse, and blindnesse, and astonishment of heart.

Kind of sounds like a parable to me. Another way to say ignorance.


34 So that thou shalt bee mad, for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

Thine eyes, a thousand eyes in all directs no doubt. http://www.fractalizer.de/beisp10.jpg

The only thing the bible accurately records is it's own self interest. God forbid people be of wise enough mind to find it for themselves, which is essentially what people who worship the bible have to do, since there is no true translation. Which means they are basicaly lead into the wilderness. I'm sorry if your spirituality has reached it's plateau, even more so that you are too blind and weak to realize that which isside your own true self is not yours. But was placed their by another. No different that possession.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Symbolism

I love how how christians throw out scripture saying this is a metatphore, or that was a parable, oh wait that was a simile or an analogy, yet turn around and regard it as a literal interpreation of God when it is vauge at best. I guess your God is the God of Confussion. Or Set as it were. That's the best way to turn a buck, keep em guessing. Je$u$... this is the correct spelling.

Just remember it says in the bible as well, let your yes mean yes and your no mean no, all else is evil. Just like every conversation you've ever had.

The Pharisees at the time of Jesus were a symbol of the Law: the Mosaic Law and what is sometimes called the Levitical Law. If you read it you will see that these were both revealed through Moses. There is a large body of material describing how these laws were applied - and often wrongly applied - by the Israelites, leading up to the advent of Jesus and including His comments regarding the ideas of the Pharisees (and other groups) at that time.

Matthew 12 ©1611
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being euil, speake good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Matthew 23 ©1611
33 Yee serpents, yee generation of vipers, How can yee escape the damnation of hell?

As you can see these comments are not very supportive of their position. The symbol was hollow and worthless. The Law was real and precious. The symbol was not reality.

Symbols are never presented as "the real thing" and when a symbol is confused with reality, insanity follows.

Deuteronomy 28 ©1611
1 And it shall come to passe, if thou shalt hearken diligently vnto the voyce of the Lord thy God, to obserue and to doe all his Commandements which I command thee this day; that the Lord thy God will set thee on high aboue all nations of the earth.

HALLELUJAH!

15 But it shal come to passe, if thou wilt not hearken vnto the voyce of the Lord thy God, to obserue to doe all his Commandements and his Statutes, which I command thee this day, that all these curses shall come vpon thee, and ouertake thee.
28 The Lord shall smite thee with madnesse, and blindnesse, and astonishment of heart.

what was that again?

34 So that thou shalt bee mad, for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

Jesus' parables are examples of God's Perfect Love presented as illustrative stories. They are stated explicitly to be parables.

The Bible accurately records the parables, just as it accurately records the facts of Creation and the history of the Israelites.

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: Symbolism

I love how how christians throw out scripture saying this is a metatphore, or that was a parable, oh wait that was a simile or an analogy, yet turn around and regard it as a literal interpreation of God when it is vauge at best. I guess your God is the God of Confussion. Or Set as it were. That's the best way to turn a buck, keep em guessing. Je$u$... this is the correct spelling.

Just remember it says in the bible as well, let your yes mean yes and your no mean no, all else is evil. Just like every conversation you've ever had.

Now listen here Godmocker. The only thing we believe are parables are the things in the Bible that are actually presented as parables! We take the Bible both literally and seriously, and if you did too instead of posting your insane anti-God ravings you could join us in Heaven.

"We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:19-21

And if you're going to quote scripture in an attempt to mock God, would you at least please have the decency to quote it right?

"But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation." James 5:12

[RomanK]

Re: Symbolism

I love how how christians throw out scripture saying this is a metatphore, or that was a parable, oh wait that was a simile or an analogy, yet turn around and regard it as a literal interpreation of God when it is vauge at best. I guess your God is the God of Confussion. Or Set as it were. That's the best way to turn a buck, keep em guessing. Je$u$... this is the correct spelling.

Just remember it says in the bible as well, let your yes mean yes and your no mean no, all else is evil. Just like every conversation you've ever had.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: Symbolism

R U sure your reading it right? Cause I don't think I will ever understand it like you.

That no surprise considering your orginal post

Luke 17:20-21 says heaven is within. If heaven is within how can their be a path to it other than to know thy own self? Landover the only path to0 heaven, thats a little presumptuous.

So you think the way to Heaven is by masturbating. Nice. But meanwhile back in the real world Christians have understood Jesus wasn't advocating sexual depravity with this verse.

[RomanK]

Re: Symbolism

R U sure your reading it right? Cause I don't think I will ever understand it like you.

[Lisa H]

Re: Symbolism

That neither part ended with a !

You did not read the verse and understand it. Now go and do as I asked.

[RomanK]

Re: Symbolism

That neither part ended with a !

[Lisa H]

Re: Symbolism

Luke 17:20-21 says heaven is within. If heaven is within how can their be a path to it other than to know thy own self? Landover the only path to0 heaven, thats a little presumptuous.

You need to re-read the verse;

Luke 17
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Now go away and think about what it says. Then come back with your answer.

[RomanK]

Re: Symbolism

Luke 17:20-21 says heaven is within. If heaven is within how can their be a path to it other than to know thy own self? Landover the only path to0 heaven, thats a little presumptuous.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Symbolism

[...]The entire bible is based on experience of man and what man considered to be god.[...]

Just one minute... the Book of Genesis tells of a time before man - how would that be possible, if what you say were true?

Yet I have seen not one story about God itself.

There are plenty of direct quotes from God in the Bible. The next point requires you to think back to a time when bosses had secretaries to whom they dictated letters. There may be no reference to the boss but nevertheless, we accept that he was there and that the letter is his words. The same is true of God - He makes his thoughts, opinions, commands, etc., known and they are recorded for all to read in that most wonderful of Manuals For Life Eternal, KJV1611.

Yet you say religion is defined by God so how in fact can God be defined by a religion and that religion be true if it is religion that defines God? Therefore the interpretation of man.

Look, it’s very simple; God dictates to inspired men His Word (KJV1611). His Word is the manual for Life Eternal. You follow the manual, you get to heaven. The correct way to follow the manual is the way Landover Baptist Church follows it. The flavour of Baptism preached by Landover is therefore the One True Path to Heaven.

A path to Heaven is a religion. Baptist Men have therefore organized to ensure that their dependants and descendants and followers get to heaven. Baptism is the only way to Heaven. You may wish to call it a religion but, some say, more than a religion, it is the only way.


Edited to answer more fool questions...