[Jeff_Celler]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

[QUOTE=James Dewitt;654971]Jeff_Celler;654962] You have people in space? Are you a Mormon?
Nope I am not, besides I know those guy's are a bit strange but do you people really have to laugh about everyone that isn't part of your little group? You claim to be wanting to save us, but that way you aren't going to have a lot of success you know.






Moon landing genuine? You watch way to much
Give me some real evidence that it couldn't be right then.





I just do not know how to respond. Can you back any of that up with the Bible?
You think the things that are not in the bible do not exist? How about the internet that you are on right now? Or the computer that you use to type? The technology in those things are not in the bible, though they exist, how do you think they work then?

[James Dewitt]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

Jeff_Celler;654962]

take in consideration that we can only guess we still have to take in mind that our people have been out there in space.

You have people in space? Are you a Mormon?

And if you think the moon landing is genuine, we still have a lot of other evidence that we are in space.

Moon landing genuine? You watch way to much

So it would be impossible to be only 500 miles away from the earth because the atmosphere stops at 24 854 miles give or take a few miles, we don't use the mile system here.

though you are right about that we can't know the distance exactly but we do know that it is a lot more then 500 miles

I just do not know how to respond. Can you back any of that up with the Bible?

[Meek and Humble]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

take in consideration that we can only guess we still have to take in mind that our people have been out there in space. And if you think the moon landing is genuine, we still have a lot of other evidence that we are in space.
So it would be impossible to be only 500 miles away from the earth because the atmosphere stops at 24 854 miles give or take a few miles, we don't use the mile system here.

though you are right about that we can't know the distance exactly but we do know that it is a lot more then 500 miles.

Another personal attack on the source without attempting to read or debunk it i see... shows you apparently have some insecurities.

[Jeff_Celler]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

So far all you've given me is your estimate for the distance to the sun.

Note the following estimates for the distance of the sun to the earth:

Copernicus 3, 391, 200 miles
Kepler 12, 376, 800 miles
Ric-ciola 27, 360,000 miles
Newton 28,000,000 miles
Martin 82,000,000 miles
Dilworth 93, 726, 900 miles
Mayer 104, 000, 000 miles

There is a gap here of 101 millions miles. The point is astronomers can only estimate the distance from us to the sun because it is so far away and no one has ever traveled it. These estimates have the risk of being so far off, as i said millions of miles.

That's the problem here. You don't question anything and just blindly follow what you find on the internet. Say the internet did not exist, and you didn't read anyone elses estimate, how far would you calculate the distance of the sun from us?

What empirical observations?

Why does it make more sense?

In fact the opposite is true. Common sense actually argues that the sun is a small object in the sky which moves around the earth, since this is what we personally observe with our own eyes everyday.

I don't wish this to develop into a heliocentric or geocentric debate. My point was simply that there is no way to know the distance of the sun from earth. All we can do is guess or make estimates.

take in consideration that we can only guess we still have to take in mind that our people have been out there in space. And if you think the moon landing is fake, we still have a lot of other evidence that we are in space.
So it would be impossible to be only 500 miles away from the earth because the atmosphere stops at 24 854 miles give or take a few miles, we don't use the mile system here.

though you are right about that we can't know the distance exactly but we do know that it is a lot more then 500 miles.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

Yeah, we BELIEVE what is written in a book that is made by someone we don't know.

We don't believe actually, we think and try to understand what is written in a specific book, then we try ourselves this new knowledge with our logic and we take other books to see what they're saying about that specific subject.

We are always skeptical when scientists read something, you don't really do that.

I don't accept any knowledge that says 'it's scientific', you accept apparently any knowledge that doesn't contradict with your point of view. I try to open my mind to new discoveries, those who have logical and reasonable theories.

So far all you've given me is your estimate for the distance to the sun.

Note the following estimates for the distance of the sun to the earth:

Copernicus 3, 391, 200 miles
Kepler 12, 376, 800 miles
Ric-ciola 27, 360,000 miles
Newton 28,000,000 miles
Martin 82,000,000 miles
Dilworth 93, 726, 900 miles
Mayer 104, 000, 000 miles

There is a gap here of 101 millions miles. The point is astronomers can only estimate the distance from us to the sun because it is so far away and no one has ever traveled it. These estimates have the risk of being so far off, as i said millions of miles.

That's the problem here. You don't question anything and just blindly follow what you find on the internet. Say the internet did not exist, and you didn't read anyone elses estimate, how far would you calculate the distance of the sun from us?

What empirical observations?

Why does it make more sense?

In fact the opposite is true. Common sense actually argues that the sun is a small object in the sky which moves around the earth, since this is what we personally observe with our own eyes everyday.

I don't wish this to develop into a heliocentric or geocentric debate. My point was simply that there is no way to know the distance of the sun from earth. All we can do is guess or make estimates.

[Sheldon the Swede]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

Yeah, we BELIEVE what is written in a book that is made by someone we don't know.

We don't believe actually, we think and try to understand what is written in a specific book, then we try ourselves this new knowledge with our logic and we take other books to see what they're saying about that specific subject.

We are always skeptical when scientists read something, you don't really do that.

I don't accept any knowledge that says 'it's scientific', you accept apparently any knowledge that doesn't contradict with your point of view. I try to open my mind to new discoveries, those who have logical and reasonable theories.

[Jeff_Celler]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

And you are just repeating yourself and not giving any reasons for me to believe your point of view. Could you maybe give me a reason why I am wrong to think why the sun isn't 32 miles?
Sorry small typo. corrected it here.

[Jeff_Celler]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

You believe what is written in a book.

And you are just repeating yourself and not giving any reasons for me to believe your point of view. Could you maybe give me a reason why I am wrong to think why the sun is 32 miles?

[Lisa H]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

I pointed out that he was doing the same thing he was accusing other people off. Besides you do the same thing to, believing whatever is written in the book.
So I guess that makes us both hypocrites in your vision.

You believe what is written in a book.

[Jeff_Celler]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

You take theories from people you don't know. Pretty hypocritical if you ask me.

I pointed out that he was doing the same thing he was accusing other people off. Besides you do the same thing to, believing whatever is written in the book.
So I guess that makes us both hypocrites in your vision.

[Lisa H]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

... Well you take the word of a book that is written by people you don't know, pretty sketchy to if you ask me.

You take theories from people you don't know. Pretty hypocritical if you ask me.

[Jeff_Celler]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

Heathen basher:
You are putting all your faith in satellite technology. How do you know there aren't faults or errors with the satellites?

You are putting all your faith in a book which you regulary point out that they have faults and lies in them, your just destroying your own argument here.

Brother temperance:
Stuff and nonsense. African darkies spend all day under the sun, but they never spontaneously catch on fire.

He never said they spontaneously caught fire, he means getting burnt, ever grabbed a something very hot? That kind of burned. Besides they don't get burned in that way because African darkies as you call them (Which you are using as an insult here.) because they have a greater amount of melamine in their skin (The thing that protects your body from the harmful radiation form the sun.)

James:
Fact: Burning coal does not emit radiation, it emits light and heat
addum: Both of them are a type of radiation.

Fact: Have you ever been near a puny bonfire of say, 30 feet in diameter? You cannot get with 100 feet of it or you'll burst into flames. Comfort is at 300~400 feet

Imagine a bonfire, 32 miles across and high. Given you need a ratio of 14:1 for comfort, that would make the sun approximately 448 miles from Earth at the closest and about 550 miles at the furthest. What a coincidence! The accepted distance is 500 miles more or less.

And what if the "bonfire" would be larger then 32 miles? You are just assuming that it is and giving a rather feeble theory to support it.

Sure, people have been in space....
Have you been there or do you just take the word from people you do not know? Pretty sketchy if you ask me.

Well you take the word of a book that is written by people you don't know, pretty sketchy to if you ask me.

[James Hutchins]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

I'm an atheist and I'm skeptic about that 'scientist' from 1899.

I presume you don't know much about space between objects? The energy that the sun gives consists of low-level radiation (FACT: If you stay too long under the sun, you get burn, or you can get skin-cancer, result of low-level radiation).
To secure the fact that enough energy comes to Earth, It must be at least the size of the Earth, and very close to Earth too if you want that the radiation can reach Earth, but if the sun is so close and has the size of Earth, we would have noticed.

If we see how large it is from our point of view, it must be very large if we want that it gives us enough energy, so the distance is very great as his mass.

Besides People have already be in space, and travelled further than those distance you claim, Americans have travelled in space and claim the sun if much bigger and farther without being great scientists.

Fact: Burning coal does not emit radiation, it emits light and heat
Fact: Have you ever been near a puny bonfire of say, 30 feet in diameter? You cannot get with 100 feet of it or you'll burst into flames. Comfort is at 300~400 feet

Imagine a bonfire, 32 miles across and high. Given you need a ratio of 14:1 for comfort, that would make the sun approximately 448 miles from Earth at the closest and about 550 miles at the furthest. What a coincidence! The accepted distance is 500 miles more or less.


Sure, people have been in space....
Have you been there or do you just take the word from people you do not know? Pretty sketchy if you ask me.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

I'm an atheist and I'm skeptic about that 'scientist' from 1899.

I presume you don't know much about space between objects? The energy that the sun gives consists of low-level radiation (FACT: If you stay too long under the sun, you get burn, or you can get skin-cancer, result of low-level radiation).

Stuff and nonsense. African darkies spend all day under the sun, but they never spontaneously catch on fire.

To secure the fact that enough energy comes to Earth, It must be at least the size of the Earth, and very close to Earth too if you want that the radiation can reach Earth, but if the sun is so close and has the size of Earth, we would have noticed.

Yes, we agree that the sun is very close to the Earth, correct. And we agree that if the sun was that close and the size of the Earth, we would have noticed. Therefore, the only logical deduction is that the sun must be 32 miles in diameter. Your own scientific calculations back us up on this one.

[Meek and Humble]

Re: PROOF that the sun is only 32 miles in diameter!

I'm an atheist and I'm skeptic about that 'scientist' from 1899.

I presume you don't know much about space between objects? The energy that the sun gives consists of low-level radiation (FACT: If you stay too long under the sun, you get burn, or you can get skin-cancer, result of low-level radiation).
To secure the fact that enough energy comes to Earth, It must be at least the size of the Earth, and very close to Earth too if you want that the radiation can reach Earth, but if the sun is so close and has the size of Earth, we would have noticed.

If we see how large it is from our point of view, it must be very large if we want that it gives us enough energy, so the distance is very great as his mass.

Besides People have already be in space, and travelled further than those distance you claim, Americans have travelled in space and claim the sun if much bigger and farther without being great scientists.

Why not read what he wrote? Again, more closed-mindness. Why come to this forum to debate issues if you think you know eveything about everything already?

You are putting all your faith in satellite technology. How do you know there aren't faults or errors with the satellites?