[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Of course you can't see the lower part of a ship that is far away on the ocean. Have you heard of waves? Ocean waves are what is blocking your view, Einstein. The further out on the ocean something travels, the more waves there are between it and you.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

What you say Pastor is so obvious. I can only assume that the average atheist must be in some way brain dead.

YIC

Jack

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

An example of proof for the sphericality of Earth is the fact that when ships are far away, on the horizon, the lower part will be invisible. This is proof of the Earth's curvature.

Of course you can't see the lower part of a ship that is far away on the ocean. Have you heard of waves? Ocean waves are what is blocking your view, Einstein. The further out on the ocean something travels, the more waves there are between it and you.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

When did I ever mention hate?

When did I even say that He (or His plan) did not exist?

I am questioning the validity of the Bible, not hating it.

You seem to be a nice enough person. Please do me the courtesy of reading the following carefully.

(Hebrews 11:6) "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

(Proverbs 3:5) "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding."

(2 Corinthians 5:7) "For we walk by faith, not by sight."

I was once where you are now.

I've seen and done things that would make GG Allin blush. I'm not proud of this, but I mention it because I know that some people think True Christians(tm) have lived an entirely insular life and have somehow escaped all secular influence.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

We are well-educated, we've traveled, we've started businesses, we've served our country, we've been to strip clubs, we've closed bars, we've spent the night in jail, we've written books and composed music and gotten into fights and shot people and stolen stuff and etc. etc.

There comes a time when you have to take an objective look at your life, not just THIS life, but the next one, the one that will last forever.

On a dare I read the Bible. The dare was from my Mom. Guess what? It made sense. Not the first time, but the second time around I started to "get it" and by the 3rd time I was convinced.

You've spent an awful lot of time here already. Promise me this: before you post a reply to this particular thread, you will read the 1st five books of the Bible...it will take maybe 2 or 3 days.

It WILL make a difference in your life.

Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

P.S. Take notes.

[Lukandersen]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Why do you hate God's plan?

When did I ever mention hate?

When did I even say that He (or His plan) did not exist?

I am questioning the validity of the Bible, not hating it.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Right, it's late.

None of you have yet explained the millions of satellite photos.

And don't use the "Photoshop'd" [Profanity Deleted].

Also, I would like to add something:

Explain the shadow on the Moon during a lunar eclipse.

Explain why a satellite (A man-made one...) can be continuously orbiting Earth, and even be geo-stationary. (Proof of this are videos of from a satellite)

So hang on, let's get this straight.

I've seen a picture of a kitten sniping out of a window - I suppose that's true as well.

I don't need to explain anything God does. Who knows why God needs to occasionally darken the moon in this way? I'm happy to let God get on with His plan without bothering Him because He has told me how to be saved. Why do you hate God's plan?

Now you're telling me that something man threw up into the sky can stay in the same place and yet be moving all the time? No, wait, there are pictures from in the sky... Oh, I wonder if it's through a special lens and from a helicopter. Make your mind up! Is it moving or not?

Seriously, you actually believe this stuff?

[Lukandersen]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Aren't you assuming more than a little bit that light always travels in straight lines? Explain lenses, smartypants!

Oh look - I put a stick into water and it looks bent. That proves it's bent. Back to the drawing board, I think.

Right, it's late.

None of you have yet explained the millions of satellite photos.

And don't use the "Photoshop'd" [Profanity Deleted].

Also, I would like to add something:

Explain the shadow on the Moon during a lunar eclipse.

Explain why a satellite (A man-made one...) can be continuously orbiting Earth, and even be geo-stationary. (Proof of this are videos of from a satellite)

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

just happened across this image:



even the secular so-called scientist can explain the phenomenon! (using one of his "other" theories: "oh, blah.." he will say).
It's all he ever says

[Dan U. Holier]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Fascinating...

I thought the belief in a round Earth was cast away decades ago - I am amazed, that even after so much evidence, so many pictures from satellites, some people STILL believe the Earth is flat, and that the Sun is only 50 miles away.

An example of proof for the sphericality of Earth is the fact that when ships are far away, on the horizon, the lower part will be invisible. This is proof of the Earth's curvature.

You didn’t provide any Biblical evidences supporting your claim - what makes it void by default. Nevertheless, I’ll play your silly game this time:

Why shouldn't we rather apply a simple, logical explanation (besides bending of the light) for the mentioned visual effect: perspective. The observed object appears ever smaller as their distance from the observer increases – until it practically disappears.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Fascinating...

I thought the belief in a round Earth was cast away decades ago - I am amazed, that even after so much evidence, so many pictures from satellites, some people STILL believe the Earth is flat, and that the Sun is only 50 miles away.

An example of proof for the sphericality of Earth is the fact that when ships are far away, on the horizon, the lower part will be invisible. This is proof of the Earth's curvature.

Aren't you assuming more than a little bit that light always travels in straight lines? Explain lenses, smartypants!

Oh look - I put a stick into water and it looks bent. That proves it's bent. Back to the drawing board, I think.

[Lukandersen]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Fascinating...

I thought the belief in a round Earth was cast away decades ago - I am amazed, that even after so much evidence, so many pictures from satellites, some people STILL believe the Earth is flat, and that the Sun is only 50 miles away.

An example of proof for the sphericality of Earth is the fact that when ships are far away, on the horizon, the lower part will be invisible. This is proof of the Earth's curvature.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Okay, fair enough. I think science should not be mixed with faith then. Such an explanation must be sound, otherwise it does not explain anything but is misleading. As far as I can see, the "proof, that the sun is very close" does not hold. Anyone may keep his/her faith, which is beyond question, but there is no point in defending obviously wrong conclusions (as some people do here).

There you go again with your own opinion.

Proverbs 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.

Why are you so determined to reject God and go to Hell?

Why oh why do these people say things like: faith "is beyond question" and then immediately question Faith?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Okay, fair enough. I think science should not be mixed with faith then. Such an explanation must be sound, otherwise it does not explain anything but is misleading. As far as I can see, the "proof, that the sun is very close" does not hold. Anyone may keep his/her faith, which is beyond question, but there is no point in defending obviously wrong conclusions (as some people do here).

There you go again with your own opinion.

Proverbs 18:2 A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself.

Why are you so determined to reject God and go to Hell?

As far as I can see

That's because you aren't God. God has told you what to be bothered about in the Bible and you're deliberately ignoring what you need to do to be saved while you chase after some sort of proof God is wrong - when He clearly can't be because he's God.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

The diagrams were posted (not by you, but Alphonse Alban) to explain the position of the sun and how far the distance to the edge of the disc would be, when I watch the sunset. But the diagrams could not possibly answer my question, because they are not to scale. I did not nag about that, because I preferred to stay on topic rather than discussing scales.



You are right, and according to that, a taller person will of course cast a longer shadow than a smaller person (you can easily try, if you don't think so). And no matter the person being tall or small, its shadow around noon must be at its shortest length, the same here as 500 miles away, and must not be a longer shadow like in the afternoon. The diagram simply shows this idea.

Everybody's shadow is shortest at noon. We already know that. You might like to read The Bible more often and learn how to distinguish the columns (or pillars) of the earth from the columns/pillars of heaven. The feature does appear on my diagram, but is not front centre because the thread was not about that.

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NOTE: the basic drawing showing true cosmology is generally available.
The details you are talking about are mine however. added to the "template"

[Maximilian]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

There is none really so this is actually a good question. Some people feel sympathy for the unsaved and feel a need to explain things to them in ways that their brains might grasp seeing as they have been warped by science.

All you really need to do is read the Bible and see what you need to do to be saved and stop worrying about whether scientitsts who are bent on going to Hell anyway are right or not because they simply can't be unless they agree with the Bible.

Okay, fair enough. I think science should not be mixed with faith then. Such an explanation must be sound, otherwise it does not explain anything but is misleading. As far as I can see, the "proof, that the sun is very close" does not hold. Anyone may keep his/her faith, which is beyond question, but there is no point in defending obviously wrong conclusions (as some people do here).

[Maximilian]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

my diagrams are not about geometry

The diagrams were posted (not by you, but Alphonse Alban) to explain the position of the sun and how far the distance to the edge of the disc would be, when I watch the sunset. But the diagrams could not possibly answer my question, because they are not to scale. I did not nag about that, because I preferred to stay on topic rather than discussing scales.

I thought you were saying that the length of the shadow applied to the position of the sun

You are right, and according to that, a taller person will of course cast a longer shadow than a smaller person (you can easily try, if you don't think so). And no matter the person being tall or small, its shadow around noon must be at its shortest length, the same here as 500 miles away, and must not be a longer shadow like in the afternoon. The diagram simply shows this idea.