[bush2012]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

another proof that the sun is not that far: heat.
try the experiment: light a fire, then get away from it. the further you are, the weaker the heat beams get, and the coilder you are. especially if it is cold out there.
now, the sun is supposedly, according to scientists, BILLIONS of miles away: then how comes it's hot on the planet? especially considering that the space is cold enough to cool any particles before it gets to earth...
it's peposterous. don't believe the media, do the experiment by yourself.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Thats nice....i like it when you talk dirty...take a look at all the threads in this forum and see how many of you so called Christians use vanity, ridicule, pride, exaggeration, whats the next step..ban me cos you cant handle me?..fine if your all christian cowards...

Friend, I realise this may sound implausible, but we handle bigger idiots than you every day. I understand that being banned is the only way you could finish this argument with any dignity, but it's just not going to happen.

!...what's the big deal with you Christians..cant you handle me?...what are you afraid of?....is that your solution to atheists..ban them?

You do realise that you've not been banned, right? That might suggest that we don't just ban people for being atheists.

...they show a little backbone.....so much for loving your enemies as well as your neighbours!..maybe you need to listen more to Sweet Jesus or the Apostle Paul rather than your own hearts and foolish heads!....Why do you pass judgment on me so....You keep giving me infraction's like they are going out of fashion!!

infraction's are pretty 2010, to be fair. Here at Landover, we're more about the infractions. Is there a specific font you'd like to receive your next infraction in?

.....we will all stand before the judgment seat of God one day for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God....

My words are no worse than your petty constant use of insults and ridicule...

We insult sinners. You insult Christians and God Himself. It's all about the context.

I give you ALL a challenge...i will refrain from mocking your words if you refrain from ridiculing mine.

I'll give you a challenge. I will strictly obey every single command in the KJV 1611 and go to Heaven if you do the same thing. Deal?

If your beliefs are weak and you cant take criticism maybe you should make your forum a member's only by personal invitation through your churches....

Or better still ban all atheists!..and stop playing PRETEND science with your little mind tricks and self deluded ideas...it only makes you look worse!..or thicker than you all prob are already!

I understand that you want us to ban you, but we won't let Satan win that easily. You're staying here until you admit that we're right.

Ban me if thats your solution.

I think you are possessed by a demon of masochism. Next you'll be telling me to tie you up and sodomise you.

i understand....i forgive you all...you are all probibly really nice people but i feel you are afraid of me i know...maybe you wish only the weak or pretend righteous to stay here for you to prey upon and confuse with your mixed up logic and hand me down beliefs...

You do realise that we still haven't banned you, right?

Still maybe anything is better than having to look at Pastor Jim Osbornes ridiculous VANITY! wig and false (give me your money ) smile! he really loves himself (and the money!) ....is that the angle with some of you guys..lovers of money and not true lovers of god?....

The choice is yours...ban me like dirty low life yellow backed cowards or show me more respect and see if i behave more!......

Just because we haven't banned you doesn't mean we respect Satan's servants.

500 miles eh...ehmmm..now lets think this one trough shall we Jack...i assume you have flown on an aeroplane..if not i assume you know they fly greta distance sometimes 1000's of miles.....lets say you fly from Ohio, United States to New York, NY, United States...approx 500 miles..or an hrs flight on a jet aeroplane...now when you land at new york you look at the sunset and see its very low in the sky..infact its on the horizon....now we know that you said the sun is only 500 miles high..and that Ohio is 500 miles away!...so in order to have the sun appear on the horizon at such a distance it must either be

A/ 93 million miles away
or
B/ on TOP of OHIO city..burning the houses and setting fire to everyone and everything!...

You didn't mention God once in any of that, so your logic must be pretty flawed.

And if you claim the earth is indeed flat!..then how else would a sun appear so low on the horizon at only 500 miles away..simple triangulation would show that only two possibilities exist!..either A or B above...its impossible for any other explanation to be correct!

Explanation C: God made it happen.

i am trying to open minds and human hearts to reality...not wishful credulity..i do realise of course the road is a long and hard choice compared with the narrow path Jesus spoke about that supposedly leads to everlasting life...but is that broad road really as bad as Jesus said?....

Yes. Are you calling Jesus a liar?

Why did god create adam and eve then put them in a position of doubt and confusion?

Because He's God. What's the point of being God if you don't get to do stuff like that?

and why would god put trees of knowledge and life in that garden yet deny their access

Because He's God. What's the point of being God if you don't get to do stuff like that?

....questions my friend....Adam was created to die....god must of known that...as soon as his eyes were opened to the truth..by eating from the tree of knowledge he was instantly shunned and denied to eat from the tree of life!..how cruel and selfish is such a god...why do you persist in loving him?...

You yourself just admitted that He's incredibly cruel. Why do you persist on wanting to get on His bad side?

Does the Bible really say there is only one God?

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Or does it say that many gods exist?

Deuteronomy 6:14 Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;
15 (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.

Did Almighty God really create this material world? Or perhaps another, lesser god maybe he created this material world?

Read the Bible then get back to me.

These are important questions James, because the God of whom Jesus Christ spoke is a gentle, loving Heavenly Father. Yet why then is the universe overflowing
with evil, cruelty, agony and death. How can one reconcile the reality of evil, cruelty, agony and death with the theory of a loving Heavenly Father?

So what is your true meaning of Christ then?..lets see how we differ...

Our Father is not a theory. He is a reality. If you want to try and piss Him off, go ahead, but the way He reconciles not liking you with the fact of eternal Hellfire may be pretty painful.

Open your mind brother the maths are not hard...either the earth is 500miles or not...say its a 1000 its still the same maths...do this when your on the loo too Billy...get some graph paper and draw a triangle with the flat earth on the base...then put in the two cities in..OR JACKS head if you prefer Billy!!...THEN move the sun over Ohio AND KEEP IT AT 500-1000 MILES AND DROP YOUR HEAD DOWN TO THE LEVEL OF NEW YORK (or Jack head!) AND TELL ME IF THE SUN APPEARS ON THE HORIZON OF THE PAPER ...what...NO...surely it must....so your now telling me the earth isnt flat and the sun isnt 500 miles high!...your trying to poison my mind Billy!

Seriously dude take your time and do the simple maths!...

TRY AGAIN Jack....keep up the Christian science...its amazing how similar it is to early tribal superstition and their simplistic beliefs..i like it!..well done Jack....you get 9 out of 10 for creativity...and 2 out of 10 for you basic mathematics....Jacks Halo!...cool...even if it is a pretty thick one!

None of that proved God doesn't exist, so we still win.

can i ask you a question? are you without sin?

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Is this some sort of clever trap about casting the first stone, Dave?

Subtle.

[daveb123]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Why can't this Dave fellow realise that we're just trying to show him what God really is like in the Bible and what He wants us to do in His name and how He wants us to behave and think or we'll go to Hell forever?

can i ask you a question? are you without sin?

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Why can't this Dave fellow realise that we're just trying to show him what God really is like in the Bible and what He wants us to do in His name and how He wants us to behave and think or we'll go to Hell forever?

It's not our fault if God hates sinners and unbelievers, Dave. It's not our fault if the truth in the Bible isn't compatible with your godless so-called scientific truth and that those of true Faith can never, ever accept your ideas if they believe in the God of the Bible without cherry picking and ignoring God's actual message.

You can keep on measuring things and making things up that explain your measurements all you like. The simple fact is that people believe in God and it's our duty to let them know fully and without cherry-picking all the nice bits just what God wants them to do really and truly as is said in the Bible.

Not in the accepted dogma of Catholics or the fluffy bunnykins Lutheran sense but in the God of hating gays and perverts and eating shellfish and women speaking out in Church and dressing wantonly. The God of stoning women with stones until they die because they cheat on their husbands.

Now if you're so caught up in your own fervour to see that, Dave, then you're more than welcome to continue making an ass of yourself by ranting at people who have the word of God to back up their every assertion.

[daveb123]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

The sun is 500 miles away from the Earth, not from Jack O'fagan. Think, atheist. Think.

Plus, you are using a false dichotomy. Even if the Earth were not 500 miles away from the Sun, it could be 501, or 499; that would not be proof that it is 93 million miles away!

lol..your so funny Billy..am getting to like you lol..

i can imagine the sun following Jack around like some huge self righteous halo!..lol..

Open your mind brother the maths are not hard...either the earth is 500miles or not...say its a 1000 its still the same maths...do this when your on the loo too Billy...get some graph paper and draw a triangle with the flat earth on the base...then put in the two cities in..OR JACKS head if you prefer Billy!!...THEN move the sun over Ohio AND KEEP IT AT 500-1000 MILES AND DROP YOUR HEAD DOWN TO THE LEVEL OF NEW YORK (or Jack head!) AND TELL ME IF THE SUN APPEARS ON THE HORIZON OF THE PAPER ...what...NO...surely it must....so your now telling me the earth isnt flat and the sun isnt 500 miles high!...your trying to poison my mind Billy!

Seriously dude take your time and do the simple maths!...

TRY AGAIN Jack....keep up the Christian science...its amazing how similar it is to early tribal superstition and their simplistic beliefs..i like it!..well done Jack....you get 9 out of 10 for creativity...and 2 out of 10 for you basic mathematics....Jacks Halo!...cool...even if it is a pretty thick one!

[daveb123]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Dave, I have showed you nothing but respect and True Christian™ caring and all I got back were swear words and insults. I never once 'talked dirty' to you. I never gave you any infractions. Why all the lies, Dave, why?

Dave, we do not want to 'handle you'. We want to open your eyes to the true meaning of Jesus Christ and all his glory. But with the way you keep going off, I for one, do not know what to make of you. Is it drugs or drinking? Or are you mentally not right. I am worried Dave. Please, can't we be civil?

James you sound a bit insecure, thats ok..pm me if you need any advice or help Brother......who mentioned you?..i joked about you talking dirty you daft man and i simply stated that ''you so called Christians use vanity, ridicule, pride, exaggeration' in your posts lol...i was simply being rhetorical....so chill out dude i dont want you raising your blood pressure my friend....you seem a nice guy really....

Opening ones eyes isnt as hard as opening ones mind..or heart...believing in something requires more proof than words twisted about in more bible translations and churches than i have had hot dinners lol!

i am trying to open minds and human hearts to reality...not wishful credulity..i do realise of course the road is a long and hard choice compared with the narrow path Jesus spoke about that supposedly leads to everlasting life...but is that broad road really as bad as Jesus said?....

Why did god create adam and eve then put them in a position of doubt and confusion?...and why would god put trees of knowledge and life in that garden yet deny their access....questions my friend....Adam was created to die....god must of known that...as soon as his eyes were opened to the truth..by eating from the tree of knowledge he was instantly shunned and denied to eat from the tree of life!..how cruel and selfish is such a god...why do you persist in loving him?...

Does the Bible really say there is only one God? Or does it say that many gods exist? Did Almighty God really create this material world? Or perhaps another, lesser god maybe he created this material world? These are important questions James, because the God of whom Jesus Christ spoke is a gentle, loving Heavenly Father. Yet why then is the universe overflowing
with evil, cruelty, agony and death. How can one reconcile the reality of evil, cruelty, agony and death with the theory of a loving Heavenly Father?

So what is your true meaning of Christ then?..lets see how we differ...

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

500 miles eh...ehmmm..now lets think this one trough shall we Jack...i assume you have flown on an aeroplane..if not i assume you know they fly greta distance sometimes 1000's of miles.....lets say you fly from Ohio, United States to New York, NY, United States...approx 500 miles..or an hrs flight on a jet aeroplane...now when you land at new york you look at the sunset and see its very low in the sky..infact its on the horizon....now we know that you said the sun is only 500 miles high..and that Ohio is 500 miles away!...so in order to have the sun appear on the horizon at such a distance it must either be

A/ 93 million miles away
or
B/ on TOP of OHIO city..burning the houses and setting fire to everyone and everything!...

And if you claim the earth is indeed flat!..then how else would a sun appear so low on the horizon at only 500 miles away..simple triangulation would show that only two possibilities exist!..either A or B above...its impossible for any other explanation to be correct!

draw it yourself on some graph paper when your bored on the loo Jack..its fun!.....

Praise sweet Jesus...Amen!

The sun is 500 miles away from the Earth, not from Jack O'fagan. Think, atheist. Think.

Plus, you are using a false dichotomy. Even if the Earth were not 500 miles away from the Sun, it could be 501, or 499; that would not be proof that it is 93 million miles away!

[daveb123]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Scientist try to tell us that the Sun is 93,000,000 miles away from us. Rubbish!

It is still very, very far away (around 500 miles!) but nowhere near what scientists would have you believe. Firstly it is difficult to see something five miles away so there is no way that you could see 93,000,000 miles away, just preposterous.

There is a very easy proof that we can all see with our God given eyes, sunbeams. If light goes in straight lines then light from a very distant Sun would be coming towards us in parallel lines, it would appear as straight vertical columns coming down from the clouds. However look at sunbeams, they are not parallel at all! Just take a ruler and you can join up the lines and plot the exact position of the Sun, not too far above the clouds. You can see from the following photos that the sunbeams are far from parallel so proof of a relatively close Sun. Atheists will probably say that these pictures a photoshopped but I promise that they are both genuine.

YiC

Jack

500 miles eh...ehmmm..now lets think this one trough shall we Jack...i assume you have flown on an aeroplane..if not i assume you know they fly greta distance sometimes 1000's of miles.....lets say you fly from Ohio, United States to New York, NY, United States...approx 500 miles..or an hrs flight on a jet aeroplane...now when you land at new york you look at the sunset and see its very low in the sky..infact its on the horizon....now we know that you said the sun is only 500 miles high..and that Ohio is 500 miles away!...so in order to have the sun appear on the horizon at such a distance it must either be

A/ 93 million miles away
or
B/ on TOP of OHIO city..burning the houses and setting fire to everyone and everything!...

And if you claim the earth is indeed flat!..then how else would a sun appear so low on the horizon at only 500 miles away..simple triangulation would show that only two possibilities exist!..either A or B above...its impossible for any other explanation to be correct!

draw it yourself on some graph paper when your bored on the loo Jack..its fun!.....

Praise sweet Jesus...Amen!

[James Hutchins]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Dave, I have showed you nothing but respect and True Christian™ caring and all I got back were swear words and insults. I never once 'talked dirty' to you. I never gave you any infractions. Why all the lies, Dave, why?

Dave, we do not want to 'handle you'. We want to open your eyes to the true meaning of Jesus Christ and all his glory. But with the way you keep going off, I for one, do not know what to make of you. Is it drugs or drinking? Or are you mentally not right. I am worried Dave. Please, can't we be civil?

[daveb123]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Dave, we want to understand you. We have nothing against you in fact, we want to talk with you. But when you make so many expletives, well frankly, that is typical of a person who is completely wrong and is trying to obfuscate things.
A person in the right never needs to raise his voice or swear. God never has to swear, Dave

Thats nice....i like it when you talk dirty...take a look at all the threads in this forum and see how many of you so called Christians use vanity, ridicule, pride, exaggeration, whats the next step..ban me cos you cant handle me?..fine if your all christian cowards...

Am a man saty behind a pc screen...my words against yours..i have read the bible inside and out...am here to help you poor lost souls..if you cant handle someone outside of your comfort zone thats ok with me i understand and forgive you...

!...what's the big deal with you Christians..cant you handle me?...what are you afraid of?....is that your solution to atheists..ban them?...they show a little backbone.....so much for loving your enemies as well as your neighbours!..maybe you need to listen more to Sweet Jesus or the Apostle Paul rather than your own hearts and foolish heads!....Why do you pass judgment on me so....You keep giving me infraction's like they are going out of fashion!!.....we will all stand before the judgment seat of God one day for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.” So then each of us will give an account of himself to God....

My words are no worse than your petty constant use of insults and ridicule...hell i already had to admonish Halleluyah Rob for his shameful use of insults..

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?p=772824#post772824

he can read James 1:26 at his leisure when he feels ready to take in the wisdom of god...
I give you ALL a challenge...i will refrain from mocking your words if you refrain from ridiculing mine....deal?.....no?.....so whats the solution here then...you have an open forum were members of the public can see what you say and believe (as crazy as it is and you all are i kind of feel like am getting to know you all now!)...

If your beliefs are weak and you cant take criticism maybe you should make your forum a member's only by personal invitation through your churches....

Or better still ban all atheists!..and stop playing PRETEND science with your little mind tricks and self deluded ideas...it only makes you look worse!..or thicker than you all prob are already!

Ban me if thats your solution..i understand....i forgive you all...you are all probibly really nice people in reality....trouble is you guys n girlz dont deal in reality do you?...ehhmm...then its a tricky situation we have here guys..i really like you and i would like to stay to offer my wisdom and insights, and maybe chill out more somewhat..but i feel you are afraid of me i know...maybe you wish only the weak or pretend righteous to stay here for you to prey upon and confuse with your mixed up logic and hand me down beliefs...

Still maybe anything is better than having to look at Pastor Jim Osbornes ridiculous VANITY! wig and false (give me your money ) smile! he really loves himself (and the money!) ....is that the angle with some of you guys..lovers of money and not true lovers of god?....

The choice is yours...ban me like dirty low life yellow backed cowards or show me more respect and see if i behave more!......

Praise sweet Jesus amen to you Brothers!

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

come on you guys!..YOUR IGNORING MY Explanation AGAIN!!!...what do you say to the light beams in the church?...that means the sun is only 200 ft high!

EXPLAIN!!!!!

In the post directly above yours:

Any idiot can see that the light is defracting at different angles through the individual panes of glass.

if you can! or are you confused lol

Yes, of course. You can't stay focused long enough to read what people are writing, but WE'RE the ones who are confused.

You need to quit smoking those "doobies" of yours, friend. It's affecting your brain.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[daveb123]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

I know that. Stop talking as if you know what is going on in this conversation.

The poster above me claimed that the famous "double-slit experiment" explained sunbeams, and I was asking him to clarify if that's what he meant.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Stop making excuses and keep your shirt on Billy...please its embarrassing to see you like this...you are a jumpy old fool arnt you!

[daveb123]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

come on you guys!..YOUR IGNORING MY Explanation AGAIN!!!...what do you say to the light beams in the church?...that means the sun is only 200 ft high!

EXPLAIN!!!!!


if you can! or are you confused lol ......one of your own so kindly tried to proove the sun is only 500 miles high....i argue its only 200 ft high!...you all know am right!...it must be...look at that picture of the church guys....well what do u say!...

Praise Sweet Jesus for Christian science....we now know the sun orbits the earth at 200ft! well done guys your the best!


Am only going off what you all agreed with ..follow the sunbeams back and you get the sun!...your all so clever thanks again!

[Jack O'fagan]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Any idiot can see that the light is defracting at different angles through the individual panes of glass. Please use your God given brain.

Also that is the vatican, who knows what demonic forces are in control there.

YiC

Jack