[James Hutchins]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Dave, we want to understand you. We have nothing against you in fact, we want to talk with you. But when you make so many expletives, well frankly, that is typical of a person who is completely wrong and is trying to obfuscate things.
A person in the right never needs to raise his voice or swear. God never has to swear, Dave

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Stop talking as if you know what your on about!...its nothing to do with particle duality u fool!...

I know that. Stop talking as if you know what is going on in this conversation.

The poster above me claimed that the famous "double-slit experiment" explained sunbeams, and I was asking him to clarify if that's what he meant.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[daveb123]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Are you claiming that sunbeams appear the way they do due to quantum wave/particle duality?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Stop talking as if you know what your on about!...its nothing to do with particle duality u fool!...


Read about Crepuscular rays....instead of listening to rev


Crepuscular rays are near-parallel, but appear to diverge because of linear perspective

They often occur when objects such as mountain peaks or clouds partially shadow the sun's rays like a cloud cover. Various airborne compounds scatter the sunlight and make these rays visible, due to diffraction, reflection, and scattering.

Crepuscular rays can also occasionally be viewed underwater, particularly in arctic areas, appearing from ice shelves or cracks in the ice.

There are three primary forms of crepuscular rays

* Rays of light penetrating holes in low clouds
* Beams of light diverging from behind a cloud
* Pale, pinkish or reddish rays that radiate from below the horizon

They are commonly seen near sunrise and sunset, when tall clouds such as cumulonimbus and mountains can be most effective at creating these rays.


Oh here's the effect nearer to the earth!...based on this pic i would say the sun is about 200ft in the sky!..LMAO at you idiots! haha get a brain you dozy deluded lot of Simpletons!

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Have you ever tried the double slit experiment? If not I highly recommend it, helps you learn a lot about how light travels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment

Are you claiming that sunbeams appear the way they do due to quantum wave/particle duality?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[rectumDemon999]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

If light goes in straight lines then light from a very distant Sun would be coming towards us in parallel lines, it would appear as straight vertical columns coming down from the clouds.

Have you ever tried the double slit experiment? If not I highly recommend it, helps you learn a lot about how light travels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

I have no further words for this

Chalk up another win for JESUS!

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Discipline and Faith]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

so the heat from the sun passes through air along its whole trip to the ground.

Besides, that's only common sense that the sun is in our atmosphere. How do you think a coal fire can burn without oxygen, dummy?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

I have no further words for this

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

And you forgot that for the most part the energy will not find any resistance like for instance air on it's way to the surface, and even if the amount of coals would be 10, or 100 times bigger than I have calculated, it will still be far too little.

Inverse squares law has nothing to do with air resistance. It's all about radiation. Look it up.

And you forgot about Boyle's Law, which states that a gas in a closed system expand to fill whatever container it is in. Since the earth, sun, moon, and stars are all encased in a solid dome-like structure called "the firmament", Boyle's law tells us that our atmosphere expands to the top of the firmament, so the heat from the sun passes through air along its whole trip to the ground.

Besides, that's only common sense that the sun is in our atmosphere. How do you think a coal fire can burn without oxygen, dummy?

Edited to add: Anyway, we calculated the sun's diameter to be roughly 12 miles, so that's a lot more than a silo. If it were just a silo of coal, you wouldn't even be able to see it from 500 miles away, would you? The sun is much bigger than you think it is.

Edited again to add: I have a word problem for you. Burning lignite coal gives off 15 Megajoules/kilogram, and burning anthracite coal gives off 27 MJ/kg. How many Megajoules would we get from a 12 mile diameter lignite coal fire and how many from a 12 mile diameter anthracite coal fire?

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Discipline and Faith]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

You forgot about the law of inverse squares. The amount of energy doesn't decrease linearly with the distance, it decreases by the square of the change in distance. So if the sun were twice as far away, it would feel four times cooler, and if the sun were three times as far away, it would feel nine times cooler.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

And you forgot that for the most part the energy will not find any resistance like for instance air on it's way to the surface, and even if the amount of coals would be 10, or 100 times bigger than I have calculated, it will still be far too little.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Very well. If one coal would keep you 10 centimeters away. And a fire of 10 Coals keeps you 1 meter away, we can calculate. 500 miles is rougly 804.672 Km (we use meters here, sorry). So far so good.
804.672 Km = 804,672 meters. That would mean the sun contains 8,046,720 Coals as we know them. You could put that amount of coals together in one place on our planet. Now think to yourself, a silo with roughly 8 milion coals, would that equal the sun? We are talking about the sun here, the thing made to keep the entirety of earth warm. I think that 8 milion will not even come close, thus proving that it has to be more than 500 miles.

Thankyou for your time

You forgot about the law of inverse squares. The amount of energy doesn't decrease linearly with the distance, it decreases by the square of the change in distance. So if the sun were twice as far away, it would feel four times cooler, and if the sun were three times as far away, it would feel nine times cooler.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Discipline and Faith]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Well friend, let's see your calculations.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

Very well. If one coal would keep you 10 centimeters away. And a fire of 10 Coals keeps you 1 meter away, we can calculate. 500 miles is rougly 804.672 Km (we use meters here, sorry). So far so good.
804.672 Km = 804,672 meters. That would mean the sun contains 8,046,720 Coals as we know them. You could put that amount of coals together in one place on our planet. Now think to yourself, a silo with roughly 8 milion coals, would that equal the sun? We are talking about the sun here, the thing made to keep the entirety of earth warm. I think that 8 milion will not even come close, thus proving that it has to be more than 500 miles.

Thankyou for your time

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

But.. I have to say that the sun will be a bit further away then you might think. I will use Mr.Osborne's example of a coal fire. A fire with only one coal is very weak and will not produce a lot of heat, you can sit mere inches from it without feeling uncomfortable. A coal fire as described by Mr.Osborne will contain a lot more coal and so he had to sit further away to feel at ease. Now hear me out.

If the sun is indeed made of coal, it has to be an awful lot of it. Thus can we calculate by the amount of coal to how far we are sitting on our comfy world. Which, judging by the scales, will be a lot more than 500 miles.

I'm just thinking out loud here.

Well friend, let's see your calculations.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Discipline and Faith]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

But.. I have to say that the sun will be a bit further away then you might think. I will use Mr.Osborne's example of a coal fire. A fire with only one coal is very weak and will not produce a lot of heat, you can sit mere inches from it without feeling uncomfortable. A coal fire as described by Mr.Osborne will contain a lot more coal and so he had to sit further away to feel at ease. Now hear me out.

If the sun is indeed made of coal, it has to be an awful lot of it. Thus can we calculate by the amount of coal to how far we are sitting on our comfy world. Which, judging by the scales, will be a lot more than 500 miles.

I'm just thinking out loud here.

[Rev. Jim Osborne]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

Brother Jack is absolutely correct. The mathematical laws of geometry prove this. I have created two pictures which illustrate his point.

Here is the first picture, with a tiny Earth and a massive Sun 90 million miles away (the false belief). You can clearly see that the sun rays are all parallel. Thus, all sunbeams on earth would be parallel like he said.



Now, here is another picture. That of the earth with a much smaller sun no more than 500 miles away (the TRUE belief). You can see the smaller sun casts non-parallel rays at varying angles which reaffirms what we can see with our own eyes.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Sunbeams, more proof that the Sun is very close.

The Sunbeams prove the distance to the Sun.

15,000,000 degrees , how would you measure that? The mercury would break the thermometer.

The Sun is made of coal, when I was a child I would happy sit within three or four feet of a coal fire. The photo below clearly shows fresh coal deposited by our Lord's hand.

YiC

Jack

Travis just takes it on faith that the core of the sun is 15,000,000 C. He doesn't know what the temperature of the sun's core is, but someone gave him a number and told him to believe it, so he believes it.

We, on the other hand, are using scientific empirical observations. We know that the surface of the sun is 5800K because the peak wavelength is greenish-yellow. We can use trigonometry to calculate the distance to the sun measuring the distance on the ground between two sunbeams and measuring the angle of those sunbeams.

These atheists will believe anything anyone tells them if it contradicts the Bible. They don't care whether it's true or not. But they think that they are logical and that Christians are irrational.

Pastor Billy-Reuben