[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

You are blind if you can't see the differences between these last two centuries and the last two millenia. Why is there a population boom in this century, why are people living longer, why is food not scarce even during the population crisis, it's because of our scientific achievements.


I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but if you're hinting that we need to find the anti-matter electron, it is found and used in positron emission tomography (PET) to scan the brain. If you're hinting to why there's more electrons than anti-matter electrons, then yes we need to find a theory for that.


My eyes are wide open and God is nowhere to be seen.

My original remark still stands – our position at this point in history will not be the final point, and thus future societies will look back and laugh.

You underestimate the civilization of the past – the 2000 year old Iraqi battery and 1000s of other things (click here) that are equally amazing.

You are describing your own faults – you accept science blindly and it changes but reject God, Who is constant.

You describe the last 200 years as if it has been some sort of golden age incomparable to any other. It has not. A person in England in 60BC would not have recognized England in 160AD after the Roman invasion of 55BC. A person from 1000AD would not have recognized the country in 1200AD after the invasion of the Normans in 1066. The social, economic and technological changes in these times were truly immense. The same is true of the leap in power and wealth between 1400 and 1600, as God inspired the conquering of the world.

On the other hand the last 200 years up the far reaches of the Amazon jungle has remained singularly unaffected by your science.

I see where you are coming from in some posts but your background knowledge seems lacking. This applies to science, history and religion. I was once where you are now – in respect of this discussion, I know what it is like to be you, you have no idea what it is like to be me.



Accept God.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

My eyes are wide open and God is nowhere to be seen.

You have scales upon your eyes and can't see the nose on your face. We are all praying for you to receive Christ.

Acts 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

That's quite an accusation, ding-a-ling. You wouldn't be here wasting your time trying to argue with brother Bathfire if you didn't think he was up to the challenge. Does that make you blind, too? Obviously not.

You're obviously just shamed by the wise insight of your opponent. That's what happens when you try to contradict the word of Jesus. You fail. Every time. What did you expect?

This condition is usually referred to as 'projection' within the psych crowd: you're obviously crying out to Jesus for him to help you open your eyes and see his glory! You won't be blind, forever, hopefully.

Amen Brother Nobar!! The truth is, this boy's daddy is satan. That's why he can't understand what's being said, through the Holy Ghost.

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

[Nobar King]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

You are blind.

That's quite an accusation, ding-a-ling. You wouldn't be here wasting your time trying to argue with brother Bathfire if you didn't think he was up to the challenge. Does that make you blind, too? Obviously not.

You're obviously just shamed by the wise insight of your opponent. That's what happens when you try to contradict the word of Jesus. You fail. Every time. What did you expect?

This condition is usually referred to as 'projection' within the psych crowd: you're obviously crying out to Jesus for him to help you open your eyes and see his glory! You won't be blind, forever, hopefully.

[LyingDingDong]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

I tried to convey in my post that in 1000 years people will look back and laugh at our society and scientific achievements, whilst they will still have the same belief in a constant God.

You are blind if you can't see the differences between these last two centuries and the last two millenia. Why is there a population boom in this century, why are people living longer, why is food not scarce even during the population crisis, it's because of our scientific achievements.

There is some records of the effect of a thing that we call an electron. But, as per Feynman, the concept is nebulous and, in the face of the anti-matter electron, it requires that someone produce a new mathematics - so an absence of proof all round really - just a theory.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but if you're hinting that we need to find the anti-matter electron, it is found and used in positron emission tomography (PET) to scan the brain. If you're hinting to why there's more electrons than anti-matter electrons, then yes we need to find a theory for that.

Here are you, quite happy with this, yet when it comes to The Lord God, you claim that He does not exist - yet the proof is all about you and is as strong as any theory.

My eyes are wide open and God is nowhere to be seen.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

Only in a soceity that isn't governed by science and reason. And by the way, ours is.

People always know that they live in a time of wisdom and reason. In the Old Testament The Lord's wisdom gave them the gift of a Land of Milk and Honey with perfectly designed laws, which were understandable and reasonable.

The 20th and 21st century is different from the other centuries because our centuries are the products of the enlightenment and the scientific revolution.

No. I tried to convey in my post that in 1000 years people will look back and laugh at our society and scientific achievements, whilst they will still have the same belief in a constant God.

There is no proof for God, but there is for the electron.

There is some records of the effect of a thing that we call an electron. But, as per Feynman, the concept is nebulous and, in the face of the anti-matter electron, it requires that someone produce a new mathematics - so an absence of proof all round really - just a theory.

Here are you, quite happy with this, yet when it comes to The Lord God, you claim that He does not exist - yet the proof is all about you and is as strong as any theory.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

Only in a soceity that isn't governed by science and reason. And by the way, ours is.

Define governed. To me, our society appears to be governed by George W. Bush. Is he what you'd call a reasonable scientist?

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

But of course if you can give me PHYSICAL PROOF OF GODS EXISTANCE, I will change my ideas and side with you.

God said He created man and here I am.

[LyingDingDong]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

You can do better than that answer

I'm sorry but that's the best answer I can give you.

Then your theory of natural selection indicates that it is better to believe in a God than not.

Only in a soceity that isn't governed by science and reason. And by the way, ours is.

Why the 21st? What, in the history of the world, makes this century special - in the 9th, 13th, & 17th centuries, they believed that they were at the cutting edge of technology, just until the next big thing came along.

The 20th and 21st century is different from the other centuries because our centuries are the products of the enlightenment and the scientific revolution.

Your reasoning for your lack of belief is faulty. The standards of your required proof vary between God and science. Your trust in electrons is touching, your trust in God is lamentable but the nature of the trust is the same. You need to sit down and think why you believe what you believe.

There is no proof for God, but there is for the electron.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

I don't choose a theory of the electron and then embrace it. I choose a theory to help better understand the universe. If the theory holds, then hallelujah.

You can do better than that answer

Yes.

Then your theory of natural selection indicates that it is better to believe in a God than not.

I suggest that the 21st century should be the century of reason, and civilizations should not believe anything unless it is backed up by facts.

Why the 21st? What, in the history of the world, makes this century special - in the 9th, 13th, & 17th centuries, they believed that they were at the cutting edge of technology, just until the next big thing came along.

Your reasoning for your lack of belief is faulty. The standards of your required proof vary between God and science. Your trust in electrons is touching, your trust in God is lamentable but the nature of the trust is the same. You need to sit down and think why you believe what you believe.

LBDD - get yourself sorted out

[LyingDingDong]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

Why choose your theory of the electron?

I don't choose a theory of the electron and then embrace it. I choose a theory to help better understand the universe. If the theory holds, then hallelujah.

Are you a result of this natural selection?

Yes.

So you suggest that the present is never a time for God? But history is comprised of the sum of all present moments, therefore there was never a time for God, and yet, you suggest, God was created at some time that then was "the present moment". Your argument does not hold water.

I suggest that the 21st century should be the century of reason, and civilizations should not believe anything unless it is backed up by facts.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

Why choose your unique religion? Many different religions that have existed and in my eyes they all have equal readings on my bullshitmeter.

Why choose your theory of the electron?

God is like a hightech security camera watching you where ever you go. If one believes in God then he or she is most likely to contribute to his or her soceity more because he or she wants to be "good" and not suffer the consequences of a deity. Natural selection created the idea of God.

Are you a result of this natural selection?

Child indoctrination is what keeps religion alive in the 21st century.

So you suggest that the present is never a time for God? But history is comprised of the sum of all present moments, therefore there was never a time for God, and yet, you suggest, God was created at some time that then was "the present moment". Your argument does not hold water.

Would you dare to raise a child without the influence of religion until they were 18?

Atheist parents are constantly amazed when their children turn to a belief system - look around, all this New Age clap-trap is there as well as Christianity.

[Brother Temperance]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

First, let's imagine a hypothetical situation where mankind is alone in the Universe, where either God doesn't exist or He doesn't interfere with man. If this is true, then natural selection would prefer human soceities that would conjeure up a supernatural lawgiver, God. So there is necessity for having faith in God.

Um, what? Where does that come from? You're essentially saying that people who are wrong and believe in a bunch of made-up cr*p that doesn't exist will be better off. And if you accept that faith in God is necessary for a healthy society, why are you trying to destroy it? Do you want the terrorists to win?

In fact, there are more than millions of different types of religions that have ever existed.

How many millions?

Those physicists are ruthless...

Yes, and do you know why there are wars over religion, but not over string theory? Because NO-ONE cares about string theory, except for those who've already been indoctrinated into the physicist cult.

Child indoctrination is what keeps religion alive in the 21st century. Would you dare to raise a child without the influence of religion until they were 18?

Of course not! What if God killed them at the age of 17? I wouldn't want to be responsible for sending them to Hell.

[LyingDingDong]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

However, we do see that with science. Why am I supposed to embrace the planetary model of the electron and not the cloud theory. Or a different theory. In fact, there are more than 20 different types of theories that have ever existed and there will be a whole lot more (my addition). Why choose your unique one?

Why choose your unique religion? Many different religions that have existed and in my eyes they all have equal readings on my bullshitmeter.

I have used and altered your statement, “God is at agreement with mostly everyone in the world” because, by and large all people do agree there is a God and that God is the Creator – it’s the details (like in the theory of the electron) that differ.

God is like a hightech security camera watching you where ever you go. If one believes in God then he or she is most likely to contribute to his or her soceity more because he or she wants to be "good" and not suffer the consequences of a deity. Natural selection created the idea of God.

Child indoctrination is what keeps religion alive in the 21st century. Would you dare to raise a child without the influence of religion until they were 18?

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

I'm sorry of my retorts are so predictable, but let me give you more reason why I choose not to believe in God.

The electron is at agreement with mostly everyone in the world. If someone says, "Hey, do you know that electron thing?" one would respond as, "Yeah, it's that negatively charged particle that goes around the nucleus of an atom." People all over the world, if taught what an electron is, agree what it is and that it exists. We don't see countries fighting over who has a better theory of the electron.

However, we do see that with religion. Why am I supposed to embrace the God of King James Bible and not the God of another Bible. Or a different God. In fact, there are more than millions of different types of religions that have ever existed. Why choose your unique one?

You have answered your own rhetorical question: allow me, with the assistance of Brothers Ahimaaz and SanzSolo, to alter your post slightly:

God is at agreement with mostly everyone in the world. If someone says, "Hey, do you know God?" one would respond as, "Yeah He’s the Creator of the Universe" People all over the world, if taught what God is, agree what He is and that He exists. We see scientists fighting over who has a better theory of the electron.

However, we do see that with science. Why am I supposed to embrace the planetary model of the electron and not the cloud theory. Or a different theory. In fact, there are more than 20 different types of theories that have ever existed and there will be a whole lot more (my addition). Why choose your unique one?

I have used and altered your statement, “God is at agreement with mostly everyone in the world” because, by and large all people do agree there is a God and that God is the Creator – it’s the details (like in the theory of the electron) that differ.

Let’s not forget that to be a top man in science, you have to have your own theory of something (it’s no use just blindly following someone else’s theory) and you have to convince everyone you are right and this involves destroying their theory.

Additionally, from where does most money come to fund science – The Military!

Are you in agreement so far?

[Dr. Santiago Solo]

Re: Is there any physical proof god exists?

Try reading some papers on string theory. You'd be surprised by how bitter the fight in physics is over exactly that question.

Those physicists are ruthless...