[MitzaLizalor]

Re: · GRAVITY · IS · NOT · A · FORCE ·

Never mind about the italics. Just realized that quotes are by default in italics. Sorry about that.

That's OK. I did attend school from time to time. The phlogiston theory of combustion was included, together with all sorts of other stuff that was not current at the time, nor had been for several centuries in some cases.
The spontaneous generation of flies was another one.
These were examples of how science "developed" but the point which struck me, that none of their theories lasted for more than a few decades without being refuted, was never mentioned. The Bible does not offer theories. God explains the world He has made in plain language. It's very easy to understand. Scientific theories do not use plain language.

I believe there is a reason.

When simple principles, such as the interest payable on a term deposit, are dressed up in pages of legalese we become suspicious.
You'll get 10% is pretty straightforward.

Whereas it is agreed between ................................ [herein after referred to as the depositor] and Lunar Deposits (incorporated on the Moon) Inc that notwithstanding any of the circumstances detailed in schedules I IV IX XIIa and D and insofar as the depositer agrees to and complies with the conditions set out in subsections 9(a) 9(b) 9(c)(i) and 20(b)(iii) and subject to the provisions of etc. etc.

is not.

In the second case you'd know you were dealing with Alexander McShonk however snazzy his loafers and I find it is just like that with secularist science. Never twice the same theory. It was explained how Einstein absolutely debunked the Newtonian stance but also explained how in certain special circumstances the earlier theory might appear to add up (sort of) just as in certain circumstances it might appear that the phlogiston theory was correct or that flies spontaneously generate in custard.

Once I started following God's Instruction Manual however the maelstrom in my heart was calmed and where there had only been turbulance and uncertainty came equanimity and delight.

Whatever you have in your textbooks now I can guarantee will not be there in 100 years time. That is not evidence (it is in fact an irrelevant appeal).

[Hatchet the Jap]

Re: · GRAVITY · IS · NOT · A · FORCE ·

I've put it in italics.

Never mind about the italics. Just realized that quotes are by default in italics. Sorry about that.

[Hatchet the Jap]

Re: · GRAVITY · IS · NOT · A · FORCE ·

Newton developed a Theory of Gravity. Scientists have done experiments and calculations, and none of the results support the theory.
Although it would be very easy for me to disprove the theory of gravitation it is not the purpose of this forum to do so. However I appreciate your questions because they bring some ideas of the modern era into focus for me as I seek answers in Scripture. And I hope it was OK to lightly edit the quote, it was just the quickest way to state what I wanted to.

Newton himself found the same "irregularities" as it happens but you may be aware that Newton was a Christian and Jesus brought his investigations to a close as he realised there were divine boundaries after all. Whether he had transgressed them it's for God to say.

Later on however, speculation became rife with inanities such as perturbation theory and relativity seeking to square the circle of gravitation but in The Bible we have foundational principles with which all valid theories must conform if they are to be correct. None of the above satisfy that criterion.

I don't mind. I'll just edit your quote to include what you actually wanted to say. I've put it in italics.
Please note that I said 'Theory of Gravity', not 'theory of gravity'. Newton developed his own theory of gravity, which we all named 'the Theory of Gravity', which we all happily accepted into our world of scientific knowledge. Besides, if none of the experimental results supported that theory, then it wouldn't be found in secondary school textbooks, and more so, not in primary school textbooks.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: · GRAVITY · IS · NOT · A · FORCE ·

Newton developed a Theory of Gravity. Scientists have done experiments and calculations, and none of the results support the theory.

Although it would be very easy for me to disprove the theory of gravitation it is not the purpose of this forum to do so. However I appreciate your questions because they bring some ideas of the modern era into focus for me as I seek answers in Scripture. And I hope it was OK to lightly edit the quote, it was just the quickest way to state what I wanted to.

Newton himself found the same "irregularities" as it happens but you may be aware that Newton was a Christian and Jesus brought his investigations to a close as he realised there were divine boundaries after all. Whether he had transgressed them it's for God to say.

Later on however, speculation became rife with inanities such as perturbation theory and relativity seeking to square the circle of gravitation but in The Bible we have foundational principles with which all valid theories must conform if they are to be correct. None of the above satisfy that criterion.

[Hatchet the Jap]

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I'm really not into physics, but this is what Google search told me:

http://www.gravityforthemasses.com/Page2.html

My understanding is that Newton's theory is still taught because nobody understands Einstein's theory

Link bookmarked. Interesting find! Will study it more thoroughly once I have sufficient time to do so. Thanks!

[Basilissa]

Re: · GRAVITY · IS · NOT · A · FORCE ·

Well, if Einstein really had disproved Newton's theory of gravity, then I guess they wouldn't be teaching gravity in schools, would they?

My understanding is that Newton's theory is still taught because nobody understands Einstein's theory

I'm really not into physics, but this is what Google search told me:

http://www.gravityforthemasses.com/Page2.html

[Hatchet the Jap]

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I thought that Einstein disproved Newton's theory. But I really don't know a lot about these things.

Well, if Einstein really had disproved Newton's theory of gravity, then I guess they wouldn't be teaching gravity in schools, would they?

[Basilissa]

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Newton developed the Theory of Gravity. Scientists have done experiments and calculations, and all of the results support the theory. In fact, it makes so much sense that only some people actually consider it a 'theory'.
If you're going to disprove it just because it's a 'theory', I'm not going to stop you, so feel free!

I thought that Einstein disproved Newton's theory. But I really don't know a lot about these things.

[Hatchet the Jap]

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Sounds awfully Newtonian.

Newton developed the Theory of Gravity. Scientists have done experiments and calculations, and all of the results support the theory. In fact, it makes so much sense that only some people actually consider it a 'theory'.
If you're going to disprove it just because it's a 'theory', I'm not going to stop you, so feel free!

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: I love how "scientists" and atheists have NO idea what gravity is or how it works.

It has always puzzled me how come when the new age hippie seeks a better path it's always the most unmitigated diaster areas of the 3rd world where "better" is sought? By their own nutjob rationality "everyone is equal" or something and then straight off to India where the rigid caste system reviles a majority of the population to drinking bull urine and wallowing in open sewers and the least attempt to upgrade these wretches from base, mean, or despicable is met with Ghandi on hunger strike lest they might get the vote (and so they didn't) the filth of the Ganges is of so great a magnitude that deaths from wallowing in it necessitate the world's largest crem., yet still they wallow even performing the full rectal prolapse into its waters sucking it all back up (with abundant cholera, typhus, leprosy, divers amœbæ, leeches, typhoid and the occasional man eating tiger) rampant venereal diseases, obviously fake "guru" central my dear and that's on a good day. Soon it's HO for Farther India and the putrid filth of Bengal, Burma, Vietnam (the Vietnamese are escaping with renewed vigour) OR idyllic Texas, New South Wales, England, Canada?

Not on your Nellie.

They go for the cesspit every time.

I don't know what software they'm running but I don't want any!

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: I love how "scientists" and atheists have NO idea what gravity is or how it works.

Common sense spoken to all those tempted by Deepak Chopra's quantum woo woo.

[Basilissa]

Re: I love how "scientists" and atheists have NO idea what gravity is or how it works.

I mearly stand on the shoalders of giants. A lot of scientists are still tied to the old materialist paradime, but open your mind and listen. Its about non local conscienceness and probability clouds of thought forms.

Sorry, I don't consider Deepak Chopra to be a giant (or "giants" in plural). I think that he is a smart man who knows how to make millions off other peoples' stupidity, but not a giant. I'm still not convinced.

Through the attainment of gnosis as practiced by the Rosicrucians, Tantric Buddhists (maithuna), Initiated Yogis (sahaja), and Spiritual Seekers from all of the worlds beautiful faith traditions, we forge the TO SOMA HELIAKON, The MERCABAH, The KUNDALINI, The BARK OF RA, the CLOUD OF MYSTERY, The ELIXIR OF LONG LIFE...or under whatever name a culture can use to explain that which is the vehicle of Reality... the process to reach the great liberation... on the quantum level.

Oh, so you are one of these New Age freaks... Do you really think that stringing together random terms from random religions makes you look smart? Think again

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: I love how "scientists" and atheists have NO idea what gravity is or how it works.

a theory is something that is 99.9999999% proven and right, but can still be changed if new evidence arises

Ignoring the part that shows you don't understand, this is indeed how science works. Scientists claim something to be fact and a while later they admit it was all wrong and have a completely new fact.

E.g. first they predicted global cooling (1970), then they switched to global warming (1980) and then they switched to global cooling (2013) again. All "facts" coming from NASA, no surprises there.

Scientist, they are either wrong or they are very wrong.

[MitzaLizalor]

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"Gravitation, or gravity, is the natural phenomenon by which physical bodies attract each other with a force proportional to their masses, and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them."
Gravity is a force.

Sounds awfully Newtonian.

[Hatchet the Jap]

Re: · GRAVITY · IS · NOT · A · FORCE ·

Re: I love how "scientists" and atheists have NO idea what gravity is or how it works.

"Gravitation, or gravity, is the natural phenomenon by which physical bodies attract each other with a force proportional to their masses, and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them."
Gravity is a force.