[Didymus Much]

Re: Why Mormons are NOT Christians

...Please allow me to quote from our Bible Dictionary regarding Christ:

"Christ. The anointed (Gk.) or Messiah (Heb.). Jesus, who is called Christ, is the firstborn of the Father in the spirit and the Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh. He is Jehovah...he is Alpha and Omega, the first and the last; his name is above every name, and is the only name under heaven by which we can be saved...

Ok, that all agrees with John 10:30.

But this doesn't:

...I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!” (Joseph Smith—History 1:16–17)..

Unless God =/= Jesus. Please clarify.

[cody johnson]

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Did you know the LDS believe in mormon cosmetology? Tammi Faye was a renown devotee during her TV career.

Hi Roberta,

Thanks for your reply. I've been a member of my church since childhood and can assure you that we don't practice or believe in astrology. We do not accept any revelation that does not come directly from God.

However, as for Tammi Faye - I didn't know that! I went to law school in Florida and happened to see her in a restaurant once - that's all I know about her though

[cody johnson]

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I've a bit of a knee jerk reaction to John 3:16, it's usually the passage uttered by fluffy bunny liberal Christians who think God is all about love. That couldn't be further from the truth.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

So true. I definitely fear God and trust in him completely. Those are some great passages.

I think that when people loose their fear of God, that they then allow themselves to believe in 'subjective truth' - or that sin is only sin if one feels that it is. That too is so far from the truth! I think this subjective truth syndrome is why so many people feel they can do anything in life without consequence.

Thanks

[cody johnson]

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I find myself somewhat skeptical that someone can claim to be a Christian and believe Christ and the Devil are brothers (what is that Quadinity? God, Holy Spirit, Christ and the Devil) However Jesus has clearly given Mitt Romney the nod to be the next president of the United States and save this Godly nation from the evils of socialism and gay marriage. Since it is One Savior, One Vote with us TRUE Christians I am prepared to accept Mormons as provisional Christians.

That being said I am curious to hear what social program are you looking forward to being eliminated during Mitt Romney's first 100 days? Hot School lunches is my personal favorite.

Hi Bobby Joe -

Can I first address your question regarding my belief in Christ? Please allow me to quote from our Bible Dictionary regarding Christ:

"Christ. The anointed (Gk.) or Messiah (Heb.). Jesus, who is called Christ, is the firstborn of the Father in the spirit and the Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh. He is Jehovah, and was foreordained to his great calling in the Grand Councils before the world was. He was born of Mary at Bethlehem, lived a sinless life, and wrought out a perfect atonement for all mankind by the shedding of his blood and his death on the cross. He rose from the grave and brought to pass the bodily resurrection of every living thing and the salvation and exaltation of the faithful.

He is the greatest Being to be born on this earth—the perfect example—and all religious things should be done in his name. He is Lord of lords, King of kings, the Creator, the Savior, the God of the whole earth, the Captain of our salvation, the Bright and Morning Star. He is in all things, above all things, through all things, and round about all things; he is Alpha and Omega, the first and the last; his name is above every name, and is the only name under heaven by which we can be saved.

He will come again in power and glory to dwell on the earth, and will stand as Judge of all mankind at the last day."

As for politics, I agree that we should spend less than we bring in. I personally think that term limits should be created for members of congress - thus also eliminating the billions in future pensions.

[Roberta]

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Did you know the LDS believe in mormon cosmetology? Tammi Faye was a renown devotee during her TV career.

[John Creeser]

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I'm sorry if I offended you by choosing John 3:16. I just love the hope for all mankind found in said scripture.

I also love John 3:18. I too believe in Jesus Christ as my personal savior. I'm glad we agree on that.

I've a bit of a knee jerk reaction to John 3:16, it's usually the passage uttered by fluffy bunny liberal Christians who think God is all about love. That couldn't be further from the truth.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

[cody johnson]

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Hi there, A kind correction!

Welcome to our friendly forums. Since we risk having a blasphemous Mormon in the Godly White House, I'm most curious about your cult. Tell me, if you would, since Paul's vision was so convincing, why do you believe Joseph Smith's? Why not Mohammed? Heck, why not Zoroaster or the Buddha? What makes Smith so special when he did the same thing everyone else did - copy the Apostle Paul's glorious miraculous, totally believable vision that no one else could see nor show evidence for, and make it their own?

Hi Mary - beautiful name by the way -

That is one of the best questions I've heard in a long time. The way I know, and the only way anyone can know the truth, is through prayer. After reading and studying Joseph Smith's words and revelations, I prayed with real intent to know if they were true. I then felt such a calming feeling and the Holy Ghost testified to my heart, with undeniable force, the that it was true. Similarly to the following verses (paraphrased of course):

Thou gavest also thy good spirit to instruct them, Neh. 9:20
There is another that beareth witness of me, John 5:32 (Acts 5:32).
when the Comforter is come … he shall testify of me, John 15:26
they were pricked in their heart, Acts 2:37 (Acts 2:41).
things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God, 1 Cor. 2:11
no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost, 1 Cor. 12:3

[cody johnson]

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Well, well another cherry picking John 3:16. How about we skip ahead to John 3:18.



So tell us more about this "planet" God lives on? Mormonism sounds more like Star Track to me than a religion.

I'm sorry if I offended you by choosing John 3:16. I just love the hope for all mankind found in said scripture.

I also love John 3:18. I too believe in Jesus Christ as my personal savior. I'm glad we agree on that.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Hi there, A kind correction!

Welcome to our friendly forums. Since we risk having a blasphemous Mormon in the Godly White House, I'm most curious about your cult. Tell me, if you would, since Paul's vision was so convincing, why do you believe Joseph Smith's? Why not Mohammed? Heck, why not Zoroaster or the Buddha? What makes Smith so special when he did the same thing everyone else did - copy the Apostle Paul's glorious miraculous, totally believable vision that no one else could see nor show evidence for, and make it their own?

[Bobby-Joe]

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Hello Again Brother,

Again, I'm not here to "bible bash" because it would simply go round and round. If you are asking me about my beliefs, please ask a specific question, and I'll be happy to share what I believe. However, I will not use scriptures to demean your beliefs. I ask you please keep that respect mutual.

Thanks.

I find myself somewhat skeptical that someone can claim to be a Christian and believe Christ and the Devil are brothers (what is that Quadinity? God, Holy Spirit, Christ and the Devil) However Jesus has clearly given Mitt Romney the nod to be the next president of the United States and save this Godly nation from the evils of socialism and gay marriage. Since it is One Savior, One Vote with us TRUE Christians I am prepared to accept Mormons as provisional Christians.

That being said I am curious to hear what social program are you looking forward to being eliminated during Mitt Romney's first 100 days? Hot School lunches is my personal favorite.

[cody johnson]

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That's a great NT verse - although I would say I am an OT type of guy myself. Tell me - Why are you here? What do you hope to achieve from your intercourse with us?

YIC

Hi Noah,

That is a valid question. Honestly, I don't have a purpose other than to share what I believe. I've always found that the more I get to know a person and why they do what they do, the better we get along. To be frank, I stumbled onto this website today - and it was sad to see so many hurtful names called against people of my faith.

I just hope people will realize that we're all trying our best to return to our Heavenly Father.

Again, thank you for your kind demeanor.

[cody johnson]

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Fair enough. Why do you believe the insane scribbles of a convicted con man can have any validity alongside the simple truth in God's Holy Word? Did God ever mention Joe Smith or magical underwear?

You are dealing with the devil, my friend, and facing certain eternal damnation in the sulfurous likes of fire in Hell as long as you entertain foolishness as truth.

In Christ

Hello Brother Porter -

First, to set the correct foundation, the Prophet Joseph Smith was never convicted of anything - so to give him a title of a convicted con man is not accurate. Yes, he was arrested several times on trumped up charges, but the truth always prevailed. However, convicted or not, Christ too was charged and even executed, and I still trust Him.

As for your question regarding if the Bible prophesies of Joseph Smith - I believe it does in the following verses.

shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, Isa. 11:1.
book is delivered to him that is not learned, Isa. 29:12.
send my messenger … prepare the way, Mal. 3:1 (Mal. 3:2–4).

I know you will likely disagree with my interpretation, and I'm not trying to prove you wrong - I'm simply answering your question.

Thank you.

[John Creeser]

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Hi Noah,

Thank you so much for your kind demeanor. I truly appreciate it.

That is a great question! The first one that come to mind is:

John 3:16
16 ¶For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Thanks!

Well, well another cherry picking John 3:16. How about we skip ahead to John 3:18.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

So tell us more about this "planet" God lives on? Mormonism sounds more like Star Track to me than a religion.

[Didymus Much]

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...One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!” (Joseph Smith—History 1:16–17).

Blasphemy. See John 10:30 for details.

[Noah Sole]

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Hi Noah,

Thank you so much for your kind demeanor. I truly appreciate it.

That is a great question! The first one that come to mind is:

John 3:16
16 ¶For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Thanks!

That's a great NT verse - although I would say I am an OT type of guy myself. Tell me - Why are you here? What do you hope to achieve from your intercourse with us?

YIC