[Hawk]

Re: Paganism

omg how DARE you force ur god on me like that!? you would actually try to force something on me that would make me unhappy????

for your information i spent most of my childhood in church with my stupid parents worshipping your imaginary god and nothing ever happened to me. when i was a teenager i left and didn't go back. but you know what? my parents don't mind as long as i am happy. and when my brother was killed in a car wreck because of a dumbass drunk driver they asked where is god and he gave them no answer so even they have learned to doubt your stupid superstitions. so you think jesus killed my brother because he didn't go to church anymore???

i have no interest in satanism as i don't believe in satan but i still respect them and they are my friends.

i do not have to proove my religion because it has already been prooved by the happiness it has brought me and by nature itself.

your god is not real and he is not just, he is a raving maniac out for blood. it's called the old testament.

the relationship between me and my partners is special because we can be loving as a group instead of putting a leash on each other and not trusting each other enough to share our love.

Jesus is our Lord and He really died on the Cross for our sins! Have you felt a difference yet?

Jesus gave us the authority to be evil's master and they must honor our commands, therefor they also tremble when we say the Name of Jesus Christ, because He conquered them! All the glory to the Lord! Amen!

[Deluded 7th Gay Andwitless]

Re: Paganism

Have you ever challenged Jesus Christ to see if your gods are more powerful than Him?
In the name of Yahoshua Jesus Christ I command that none of your spells will work untill I say so, you will know when you experience that your power has vanished that Jesus is the Almighty God of this universe and all other beings will bow before Him. Amen!

Talk to you soon my friend!

omg how DARE you force ur god on me like that!? you would actually try to force something on me that would make me unhappy????

for your information i spent most of my childhood in church with my stupid parents worshipping your imaginary god and nothing ever happened to me. when i was a teenager i left and didn't go back. but you know what? my parents don't mind as long as i am happy. and when my brother was killed in a car wreck because of a dumbass drunk driver they asked where is god and he gave them no answer so even they have learned to doubt your stupid superstitions. so you think jesus killed my brother because he didn't go to church anymore???

i have no interest in satanism as i don't believe in satan but i still respect them and they are my friends.

i do not have to proove my religion because it has already been prooved by the happiness it has brought me and by nature itself.

your god is not real and he is not just, he is a raving maniac out for blood. it's called the old testament.

the relationship between me and my partners is special because we can be loving as a group instead of putting a leash on each other and not trusting each other enough to share our love.

[Hawk]

Re: Paganism

i have all the proof in the world that my Lord and Lady exist. everytime i see a newborn baby or experience sex with my girlfriend or boyfriend (yes i am bisexual, oooh scary huh?? well we have an open relationship) i can feel the spirit and love of my gods. I assume your possesed by them, correct?
if you harm people you can expect to have what you have served back to you three times over and that's more than enough motivation to be a good person. our religion is not just about us it's about nature. we worship nature and are a part of nature so how could we be motivated to do anything nature doesn't want us to do to do? i do not know anythng about satanism but i do have a friend who is a satanist and he is not a bad person he is very kind. many satanist started or got lured into the occult through wicca, you are assumingly just a lot weaker than satanist, playing around with white magic.
the horned god and his lady, duh. Is there a specific reason why it is called the "horned" god? Could not be a pretty face!
it is not just a belief it is the truth.really now, prove it? i know in my heart that it is the truth because my Lord and Lady would not let me down. they take care of me and are my parents, way better parents than my earthly parents who were guess what CHRISTIANS.
i am not deceived, you are the one who is deceived into believing lies about my religion that are not true!! if wicca was the truth , don't you think it should be more open about their ceremonies, spells, gods and all the healings or miracles you guys do?
well i do not need a holy book i was given a conscience to determine right from wrong as well as the public law. the souls of ppl who do not believe the way i believe will be sent into a newborn baby to try again at life and be alive again. they aren't damned like in ur religion. so its ok if we are all like Hitler, we will just come back for more and more killing and murdering of innocent people to achieve our goal for world domination!
what would you call drowning millions of innocent life forms, killing the firstborn of everybody in egypt who didn't kill a lamb and spread its blood on a door post, sending bears to maul little children, and damning all unbelievers to hell???? none of that is in my religion! I call it God being righteous, read the story and see why these things happened!
the reason you cannot comprehend my beliefs is that you have not experienced the true Lord and Lady. Thank God I have not! Cause you do not even really know if you are experiencing demons or not! why don't you give them a chance in your life?? To do what? make me be sexual immoral and sadden my partner by making something special like intimacy just a common physical act you do with all other people even with men. What can you say is really special between you and your partner? that what you do not share with others? yes my partner has a lot to do with me being wiccan but i was attracted to it because of the happiness i saw that it had given her and i knew in my heart that it was the right path after giving the Lord and Lady a chance. i will cast a spell for you to see the light, as well as one to keep you safe because i care about you.Don't waste your time mate it will not work.

Have you ever challenged Jesus Christ to see if your gods are more powerful than Him?
In the name of Yahoshua Jesus Christ I command that none of your spells will work untill I say so, you will know when you experience that your power has vanished that Jesus is the Almighty God of this universe and all other beings will bow before Him. Amen!

Talk to you soon my friend!

[SteveTheNiceAtheist]

Re: Paganism

The Grid is kinda like the Cloud or the internet 2.0 for nerds. All I know is I do NOT access to it. T.T

PS. You are incorrect to think I would seem to think anyone is "backwards".
>.>
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uhm... hmm... did I say that right? well, i think i did... xP

[SteveTheNiceAtheist]

Re: Paganism

actually sir, you are correct. It was started once already. yea, then nine days after it started, the whole thing went hay-wire when a short-circuit blew a helium leak causing a massive Quench. It started on 10 September 2008 and it quenced on on 19 September 2008. It will be turned back on and restarted sometime in the Spring. T.T

[Wide-Open]

Re: Paganism

The Large Hadron Collider aka the LHC aka the Large Hadron Collider aka the Greatest Science Expirement ever undertaken.

Friend, you seem to think we are a bit backward. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that "thing" has already been discussed at large here.

Though it may take as long as a couple years to interpret the GRID and all the mathmatics of the trillions and trillions of sub atomic collision. I Personally can't wait for the results!

I'd rather not catch the GRID, thank you.

[SteveTheNiceAtheist]

Re: Paganism

...

Now that you understand that thunder is not from the Gods, does that mean there are no such thing as a God? I heard there were an atheist group of scientists who spent 800mil. dollars on a project to try and explain that the universe got into existence without the need of Divine intervention, well they said it was impossible for every little particle to be at the right place at the right time to form planets, stars and the rest of the universe without a very very powerful Divine being. The Creator!

All the best,

I think i have heard of the 800 million dollar maching to explain the universe. Except its 7 billion dallars. (billions, not millions O.o) The Large Hadron Collider aka the LHC aka the Large Hadron Collider aka the Greatest Science Expirement ever undertaken.

Theism vs (soft) atheism ~Creation of the UNIVERSE, how did it happen?

(Mono)Theist must assume God did it.

Science doesn't assume the mystery is a "who" done it? but usually "what" did it? (for the exception of criminal cases... haha ... >.> )

There are a few GUT theories out there awaiting for evidence to surface and this machine may uncover part of the key. It is suspected that at the smallest levels of reality there may be extra space time dimensions which would explain why many unclassical quantum phenomina are so probabilistic. The LHC will be starting up in the spring of 09. (thats this year!!) Though it may take as long as a couple years to interpret the GRID and all the mathmatics of the trillions and trillions of sub atomic collision. I Personally can't wait for the results!

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Paganism

i have all the proof in the world that my Lord and Lady exist. everytime i see a newborn baby or experience sex with my girlfriend or boyfriend (yes i am bisexual, oooh scary huh?? well we have an open relationship) i can feel the spirit and love of my gods.

So every time you catch an STI (sin-transmitted illness) from this "open relationship," you can feel the spirit and love of your gods? Um, okay.

[Deluded 7th Gay Andwitless]

Re: Paganism

Thank you,

It does seem very mystical(no proof whatsoever) and If I would like to worship a God I would like to have some idea who or what I worship! You are saying you do not know where your gods came from, is that not a bit shaky, How do you know it is not just a demon in disguise.

i have all the proof in the world that my Lord and Lady exist. everytime i see a newborn baby or experience sex with my girlfriend or boyfriend (yes i am bisexual, oooh scary huh?? well we have an open relationship) i can feel the spirit and love of my gods.

"harm none do what ye will" so what happens if you do harm people? and according to this principle there seem to be no guidance to become more like your god? Its all about yourself and doing whatever you want, just with one limitation, do not harm someone.... what kind of harm are you talking about, physical? It does not say serve your fellow man or love they neighbor, just that the world is all about you and what you can get out of it. Satanism has a very similar core principle as you, so I guess wiccan has more in common with satanism than you think. They say that many satanists started in the occult as being wiccans and wanted to search for more power!

if you harm people you can expect to have what you have served back to you three times over and that's more than enough motivation to be a good person. our religion is not just about us it's about nature. we worship nature and are a part of nature so how could we be motivated to do anything nature doesn't want us to do to do? i do not know anythng about satanism but i do have a friend who is a satanist and he is not a bad person he is very kind.

Who created the universe?

the horned god and his lady, duh.

So Summer Land is your belief, but you mentioned that wiccans in general have their own beliefs? This belief seems to be very wishy washy and no one really knows what is the truth, they all have different ideas, how can it be that there are so many views on what will happen when you die?

it is not just a belief it is the truth. i know in my heart that it is the truth because my Lord and Lady would not let me down. they take care of me and are my parents, way better parents than my earthly parents who were guess what CHRISTIANS.

This is exactly what the devil wants, confusion! Your deceived my friend, do you have any wiccan god that have the power over death? Have you or a wiccan god ever revived someone out of death like Jesus did with Lazarus?

i am not deceived, you are the one who is deceived into beliving lies about my religion that are not true!!

Do you have a holy book you can use as a reference when you have doubts or need information.
What happens to people who do not believe or have faith in wicca when they die?

well i do not need a holy book i was given a conscience to determine right from wrong as well as the public law. the souls of ppl who do not believe the way i believe will be sent into a newborn baby to try again at life and be alive again. they aren't damned like in ur religion.

I read that you are made to believe that Yahweh is a ruthless God who stands for death and destruction, what about Yahoshua? (Just to inform you, that is a huge lie!) He is the Creator and created everything else in the universe, there is only one God and every other being will bow before Him, no matter what you believe!

what would you call drowning millions of innocent life forms, killing the firstborn of everybody in egypt who didn't kill a lamb and spread its blood on a door post, sending bears to maul little children, and damning all unbelievers to hell???? none of that is in my religion!

I really appreciate your replies, even though I cannot comprehend your belief in something that could be anything even your imagination. The reason why you think the religion is beautiful is because of your partner, correct! If she was a satanist or a Christian, I would not be surprised if you would say that religion is beautiful too!
Thanks

the reason you cannot comprehend my beliefs is that you have not experienced the true Lord and Lady. why don't you give them a chance in your life?? yes my partner has a lot to do with me being wiccan but i was attracted to it because of the happiness i saw that it had given her and i knew in my heart that it was the right path after giving the Lord and Lady a chance. i will cast a spell for you to see the light, as well as one to keep you safe because i care about you.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Re: Paganism

That's some fine rebuking, Hawk.

It does seem very mystical(no proof whatsoever) and If I would like to worship a God I would like to have some idea who or what I worship! You are saying you do not know where your gods came from, is that not a bit shaky, How do you know it is not just a demon in disguise.

Amen! We know where our God came from because He told us in His book.

So Summer Land is your belief, but you mentioned that wiccans in general have their own beliefs? This belief seems to be very wishy washy and no one really knows what is the truth, they all have different ideas, how can it be that there are so many views on what will happen when you die? This is exactly what the devil wants, confusion!

Those wacky Wiccans are just making it up as they go along, and it's obvious to everyone except them, unlike us Christians who all believe the same thing.

Your deceived my friend, do you have any wiccan god that have the power over death? Have you or a wiccan god ever revived someone out of death like Jesus did with Lazarus?

I've never personally witnessed God reviving someone out of death, but the fact that it was written about in the Bible is proof that it happened.

What happens to people who do not believe or have faith in wicca when they die?

If I'm not mistaken, Wicca is a works-based religion. So according to them, people go to Summerland if they are a "good person" on balance, no matter what they believe. In the near-zero chance that they are right, we Christians would go to Summerland when we die if we did good works.

Christianity is different. It doesn't matter if you are a "good person" because there are no good people (Is 41:26, Ro 3:10). Our good works don't matter (Ro 3:27, Ep 2:8-9). What matters is belief, faith, and repentance, amen. "Good" people go straight to Hell if they don't believe.

Here is the Pascal's wager table showing the game theory payout for Christians with good works, Wiccans with good works, Christians without good works, and Wiccans without good works:

.	Chrisitanity is true	Wicca is true
Christian, good works	Heaven (+∞)	Summerland (+∞)
Christian, no good works	Heaven (+∞)	Reincarnated (0)
Wiccan, good works	Hell (-∞)	Summerland (+∞)
Wiccan, no good works	Hell (-∞)	Reincarnated (0)

As you can see, there is no advantage to believing in Wicca, and an unacceptable amount of risk. The best payout comes from being a Christian who does good works. The second best is being a Christian who doesn't do good works. You might be least in the Kingdom of Heaven (Mt 5:19), but that's better than being the best person in Hell.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Pastor Isaac Peters]

Re: Paganism

Good points, Hawk. Wickedans follow a belief system that has no evidence for its truthfulness and that is capable of thousands of differing interpretations. Of course, we True Christians™ will have none of that.

[Hawk]

Re: Paganism

sheesh sorry. so it's okay to kill and torture people who disagree with u but it's wrong to curse????



1. a wicca priest is the male leader of a coven of wiccans. this means i am a leader in our rituals and celebrations and i serve alongside (NOT ABOVE OR BELOW. WICCA BELIVES IN EQUALITY OF THE SEXES) the priestess who i happen to love very much and she loves me. She is the reason i joined this beauitful religion and she has brought me much happiness so don't even think about badmouthing her!!!

2.We have nine members including me and my priestess/girlfriend. yes we keep a book of shadows but it's not an evil thing despite it's name!!

3. everybody has their own personal beliefe but most believe that we go to a beautiful place called the Summer Land.

4. we worship the God and Goddess. They both represent perfect opposites and love and fertility. they are like our parents and we are pleased to serve them. of course they can heal, but they also give us the power to heal through nature.

5. why would they not love us??? they certainly don't threaten us with fire and damnation!

6.wicca is governed by a single principal which i know you've heard: And it harm none do what ye will. You cannot be wiccan and use the power of nature and the Lord and Lady for evil. we also believe that what we do comes back to us three times over. that is not just some silly superstition to get ppl to be good, it really happens!

7. we do not have a single god, we have a God and Goddess. you'll find that wicca is a lot less sexist than christianity. it does not matter where they came from what matters is that they love us and are here.

8. wicca is worship of nature and beauty. it is there to keep us happy and healthy and nature proves this over and over again. when you have the spirit of the Lord and Lady with you, you know it and you are peaceful within.

i hope this clears up some of your questions.

Thank you,

It does seem very mystical(no proof whatsoever) and If I would like to worship a God I would like to have some idea who or what I worship! You are saying you do not know where your gods came from, is that not a bit shaky, How do you know it is not just a demon in disguise.

"harm none do what ye will" so what happens if you do harm people? and according to this principle there seem to be no guidance to become more like your god? Its all about yourself and doing whatever you want, just with one limitation, do not harm someone.... what kind of harm are you talking about, physical? It does not say serve your fellow man or love they neighbor, just that the world is all about you and what you can get out of it. Satanism has a very similar core principle as you, so I guess wiccan has more in common with satanism than you think. They say that many satanists started in the occult as being wiccans and wanted to search for more power!
Who created the universe?
So Summer Land is your belief, but you mentioned that wiccans in general have their own beliefs? This belief seems to be very wishy washy and no one really knows what is the truth, they all have different ideas, how can it be that there are so many views on what will happen when you die? This is exactly what the devil wants, confusion! Your deceived my friend, do you have any wiccan god that have the power over death? Have you or a wiccan god ever revived someone out of death like Jesus did with Lazarus?
Do you have a holy book you can use as a reference when you have doubts or need information.
What happens to people who do not believe or have faith in wicca when they die?
I read that you are made to believe that Yahweh is a ruthless God who stands for death and destruction, what about Yahoshua? (Just to inform you, that is a huge lie!) He is the Creator and created everything else in the universe, there is only one God and every other being will bow before Him, no matter what you believe!
They say Wicca originated out of the caveman era, is that what you believe? We did evolve a little and Jesus did come in this time to give us direction, so that we do not have to be so misguided and confused like the caveman? I am sure they were seeking the true God as well, but had no literature only nature. Witchcraft did not come from Yahweh, but from a different force that we as Christians believe to be the serpent or satan, otherwise Christians would also practice witchcraft, right!
I really appreciate your replies, even though I cannot comprehend your belief in something that could be anything even your imagination. The reason why you think the religion is beautiful is because of your partner, correct! If she was a satanist or a Christian, I would not be surprised if you would say that religion is beautiful too!

Thanks

[Pastor Al E Pistle]

Re: Paganism

sheesh sorry. so it's okay to kill and torture people who disagree with u but it's wrong to curse????

It's not who disagrees with us. It's who disagrees with GOD.

1. a wicca priest is the male leader of a coven of wiccans. this means i am a leader in our rituals and celebrations and i serve alongside (NOT ABOVE OR BELOW. WICCA BELIVES IN EQUALITY OF THE SEXES) the priestess who i happen to love very much and she loves me. She is the reason i joined this beauitful religion and she has brought me much happiness so don't even think about badmouthing her!!!

You aren't married, so she's a whore.

2.We have nine members including me and my priestess/girlfriend. yes we keep a book of shadows but it's not an evil thing despite it's name!!

Then why is it named that, you dunce?

3. everybody has their own personal beliefe but most believe that we go to a beautiful place called the Summer Land.

Yes, and plant apple trees and toss flower petals around. That isn't EXACTLY where you are headed, though.

4. we worship the God and Goddess. They both represent perfect opposites and love and fertility. they are like our parents and we are pleased to serve them. of course they can heal, but they also give us the power to heal through nature.

What are their names?

5. why would they not love us??? they certainly don't threaten us with fire and damnation!

Why WOULD they?

6.wicca is governed by a single principal which i know you've heard: And it harm none do what ye will. You cannot be wiccan and use the power of nature and the Lord and Lady for evil. we also believe that what we do comes back to us three times over. that is not just some silly superstition to get ppl to be good, it really happens!

Wicca is a bunch of hooey invented about fifty years ago by a teacher to get dumb girls to sleep with him.

7. we do not have a single god, we have a God and Goddess. you'll find that wicca is a lot less sexist than christianity. it does not matter where they came from what matters is that they love us and are here.

No, you only have one. You just don't know his name.

8. wicca is worship of nature and beauty. it is there to keep us happy and healthy and nature proves this over and over again. when you have the spirit of the Lord and Lady with you, you know it and you are peaceful within.

Wicca is a way to get stoned and have a cheap date.

i hope this clears up some of your questions.

I didn't have any questions. I know all about it.

[Deluded 7th Gay Andwitless]

Re: Paganism

The mooselimbs claim to be a religion of peace, too. By the way, stop swearing, or you can expect infraction points or worse.

sheesh sorry. so it's okay to kill and torture people who disagree with u but it's wrong to curse????

Off course you will say that!

Tell us then what you do when you are a wiccan priest and what does that status mean? How many members do you have and do you have a book of shadows?
What happens when you die?
Who is your god and do they have the power to heal people without without harming them later or their family?
Do they answer your prayers, care and love you?
What happens if you disobey some of the laws or disrespect them?
Where does this god come from?
We do not know how you keep peace using wicca? Please explain?

Thx

1. a wicca priest is the male leader of a coven of wiccans. this means i am a leader in our rituals and celebrations and i serve alongside (NOT ABOVE OR BELOW. WICCA BELIVES IN EQUALITY OF THE SEXES) the priestess who i happen to love very much and she loves me. She is the reason i joined this beauitful religion and she has brought me much happiness so don't even think about badmouthing her!!!

2.We have nine members including me and my priestess/girlfriend. yes we keep a book of shadows but it's not an evil thing despite it's name!!

3. everybody has their own personal beliefe but most believe that we go to a beautiful place called the Summer Land.

4. we worship the God and Goddess. They both represent perfect opposites and love and fertility. they are like our parents and we are pleased to serve them. of course they can heal, but they also give us the power to heal through nature.

5. why would they not love us??? they certainly don't threaten us with fire and damnation!

6.wicca is governed by a single principal which i know you've heard: And it harm none do what ye will. You cannot be wiccan and use the power of nature and the Lord and Lady for evil. we also believe that what we do comes back to us three times over. that is not just some silly superstition to get ppl to be good, it really happens!

7. we do not have a single god, we have a God and Goddess. you'll find that wicca is a lot less sexist than christianity. it does not matter where they came from what matters is that they love us and are here.

8. wicca is worship of nature and beauty. it is there to keep us happy and healthy and nature proves this over and over again. when you have the spirit of the Lord and Lady with you, you know it and you are peaceful within.

i hope this clears up some of your questions.

[Hawk]

Re: Paganism

Followers of the Lord Jesus Christ

Those who are loved and chosen by God from
eternity (2 Th 2:13)
Those who put their faith in the Truth (2 Th
2:13)
Those who are sanctified by the Holy Spirit (2
Th 2:13)

Followers of the "man of lawlessness"

Those who are deceived by Satan (2 Th 2:9),
so that wickedness seems good to them (2 Th
2:12)
Those who [by their own choice] perish (2 Th
2:10)
Those who do not receive the love of the truth
(2 Th 2:10), but put their faith in falsehood (2
Th 2:11-12)