[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Answer Part VI

I think I sometimes blot out the papists thanks to my history. I was once in the grip of the pagan death cult that is papism. Hence I can see the trappings of false religion in the Islam heresy.

Apart from the choice of idols I can't see much difference. Mecca is probably a bit more militaristic that the vatican these days; swings and roundabouts. I don't really have any questions for either group.

God has already provided all the answers we need for this life and the life to come.

Praise Him!
. . . . . . . . . Psalm 150:3

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Answer Part VI

Thanks for those replies ..and the papists...

I think I sometimes blot out the papists thanks to my history. I was once in the grip of the pagan death cult that is papism. Hence I can see the trappings of false religion in the Islam heresy.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Questions for Mudslimes

You're quite the pork fan, huh?

[Izmael ibn Ibrahim]

Questions for Christians

1) Why do you Christians claim Jesus (pigs be upon him) was sent for everyone, when Jesus (pigs be upon him) himself claimed he was sent only to the Jews?

Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:26
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

Jesus (pigs be upon him) was a prophet to the Jews. Muhammad (pigs be upon him) was a prophet to everyone.

2) When did Jesus (pigs be upon him) claim to be God? In fact, didn’t he once tell someone not to call him good because only God is good?

Lk 18:19
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

3) a) If God is three in one, then how could God be in heaven while Jesus (pigs be upon him) was on earth?
b) How could God be in heaven when Jesus (pigs be upon him) was in Hell?

Acts 2:31
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

4) If Jesus (pigs be upon him) was claiming to be God when he said he was one with him, why did he mean something else when he said all Christians were one with him and his father?

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.
John 17:21-23
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

5) If God is just, why did he punish Jesus (pigs be upon him) for everyone else’s sins?

6) a) People make sacrifices to get something they don’t have when they can’t have both things. If God is almighty, to whom did he sacrifice Jesus (pigs be upon him)?
b) With a real sacrifice you can’t get back what you gave up. So how did God sacrifice Jesus (pigs be upon him) if he got him back?

O People of the Scripture, why do you confuse the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know [it]? (Surah 3:71)

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Answer Part VI

Thanks for those replies

we have Jesus who died to save us. I think we can all see why it's the Muslims (and Mormons and Scientologists) ..

..and the papists.

Romish idolators, whose "Queen of Heaven" is no more Mary than the sphinx, claiming not to worship idols when they have millions of the things;

Mass murderers claiming not to worship the moon when they bow down to that very idol numerous times daily all very carefully pointing their magic carpets in its exact direction;

Do any of them even know why Jesus' death must save all who believe on Him? The earliest fragments of the New Testament pre-date even the least edited version of the koran by centuries. At what point do these heathens claim Paul's, Mark's, Luke's, Matthew's and John's writings were corrupted? From the earliest moment of their inspiration The Holy Spirit has preserved His work intact and we have documentary evidence demonstrating the accuracy of historical reality.

That evidence also shows how various pagan entities, such as Roman pantheons or orgiastic rites celebrating solstices & equinoxes were hijacked into the papacy with even their titles intact "Queen of Heaven" being a good example just as preislamic moon idols demonstrate (as if any demonstration were necessary when they nail the things on their mosques) that whatever entity they think they're worshipping it is in reality the moon.

Even a child can see that.

HABAKKUK 2
18 What profiteth the graven image that the maker thereof hath graven it; the molten image, and a teacher of lies, that the maker of his work trusteth therein, to make dumb idols?
19 Woe unto him that saith to the wood, Awake; to the dumb stone, Arise, it shall teach! Behold, it is laid over with gold and silver, and there is no breath at all in the midst of it.
KJV

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[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Answer Part VI

So Muslim marriages are equivalent to war.



Has that ever worked?

Are you still confused about why no one will trust you?

Yeah like you atheists aren't lying about there being no God...

I saw this film the other day where some guy in a fictional world where nobody can lie suddenly discovers he can. Before we know it he's doing a full on Muhammed trick and making up a totally fake God. He quickly runs into trouble as people start asking him questions. If it wasn't for the plot device where none of them can conceive that something someone says isn't true they'd have seen through his lies straight away. This shows how silly Muslims are because it's obvious Mumammed pulled the same stunt.

Contrast this with Christianity, where nothing of the sort crops up because it is totally consistent and we have Jesus who died to save us. I think we can all see why it's the Muslims (and Mormons and Scientologists) who are like the gullible fools in this comedy about how stupid atheism is. I mean, none of the characters in the film knew about Jesus, they were all atheists until this fake starts lying to them. How ridicuously funny a world of truthful atheists looked!

[Didymus Much]

Re: Answer Part VI

..."Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception;...

So Muslim marriages are equivalent to war.

...or a lie to settle trouble between people"...

Has that ever worked?

Are you still confused about why no one will trust you?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Answer Part VI

Seriously, what's wrong with you fools? Why must you keep up this pretence that some idiot in a cave actually sat and listened to God talking to him (and even worse, directly contradicting Himself) via the same angel who could verify Jesus' bona fides as the son of God? It's silly.

Indeed. Muslims are nothing more than ancient mormons of the desert. Their so-called "revelations" are naught but delusions at best, blatant lies more likely, all for the sake of collecting wives. If one wants a respectable messenger of God, they need look no further than Paul who was miraculously contacted by Jesus. There were all kinds of witnesses, even though Paul alone was blessed enough to comprehend what was going on. (Acts 9:1-19)

[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Answer Part VI

Blasphemous drivel.

Seriously, what's wrong with you fools? Why must you keep up this pretence that some idiot in a cave actually sat and listened to God talking to him (and even worse, directly contradicting Himself) via the same angel who could verify Jesus' bona fides as the son of God? It's silly.

And there's no point trying to back up anything you say with verses from your silly book of toilet paper.

1 Timothy 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

[Izmael ibn Ibrahim]

Answer Part VI

6. Lying is okay?

Question: Was Muhammad wrong for advocating lying? Is Lying okay? "Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him [Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf]?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it," (Hadith Vol. 5, Book 59, #369).
Question: Who is more holy, Allah or God?

In the above quote from the hadith, Muhammad advocated lying. The Christian God would never approve of lying. Does the god of Islam approve of lying? If not, then wasn't Muhammad wrong? If he was not wrong, then Allah approves of lying. Which God is more holy? The God of Christianity is far more holy.

In fact, the God(s) of Christianity is/ are the ONLY TRUE God(s).

The Prophet (pigs be upon him) allows lying under three circumstances.

Muhammad said: "Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people" (Ahmad 6.459)

The assassination of Ka’b bin Al-Ashraf is covered under the second condition above. Kitman is what you would call lying by omission or telling half-truths. The Bible condones this also. Ehud the Benjamite gained access to assassinate Eglon by claiming that he had a message for him from God (Judges 3:17-26).

There is a fourth circumstance when lying is okay. In the face of severe persecution, we are allowed to deny our faith to save our lives.

Whoever disbelieves in Allah after his belief... except for one who is forced [to renounce his religion] while his heart is secure in faith. But those who [willingly] open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from Allah, and for them is a great punishment; (Surah 16:106)

If we were Christians, we would have to allow ourselves to be killed (Mat 10:28-33). The Bible portrays God as a liar, and I know there are verses saying he cannot lie, but what about these verses?

Jeremiah 4:10
Ah, Lord GOD! surely thou hast greatly deceived this people.
Ezekiel 14:9
And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet.

Muhammad (pigs be upon him) permits lying under certain conditions and according to the Bible God is/ isn’t a liar. Allah however cannot lie.

...doesn't bear repeating...

First we Muslims don't worship the moon, it is forbidden.

And of His signs are the night and day and the sun and moon. Do not prostrate to the sun or to the moon, but prostate to Allah, who created them, if it should be Him that you worship. (Surah 41:37)

Why is the moon significant to us then? Because in both the Qur'an and the Bible religious festivals are governed by lunar cycles. Christians have adopted a solar calendar. Why?

Maryam=Mary the mother of Jesus (pigs be upon him). See Surah Maryam.

Jesus (pigs be upon him)

[MitzaLizalor]

Are they really that dumb? Yes, they really are that dumb.

I can see what the title of that picture is, in your quote, but would be surprised if it really were Jesus. Why is "Miriam" burning the baby? Although from the respect being shown to Christians in Egypt one would expect no less from these moon worshipping idolators. The level of Bible knowledge in their monstrous creed is exactly what one would expect from an illiterate and epilleptic psycho. Why is it monstrous? The murder and the murder and the rape. And the murder. Why would anyone follow such an obviously insane belief system? Because it's rammed down their throats from an early age "that thing on the mosque, it's not the moon" (yes daddy) "allah is not the moon" (no daddy) "there are no moon idols in Mecca" (there are no moon idols in Mecca daddy) "Miriam is Jesus mother" (Miriam is Jesus' mother)

EXODUS 2
1 And there went a man of the house of Levi, and took to wife a daughter of Levi.
2 And the woman conceived, and bare a son: and when she saw him that he was a goodly child, she hid him three months.
3 And when she could not longer hide him, she took for him an ark of bulrushes, and daubed it with slime and with pitch, and put the child therein; and she laid it in the flags by the river's brink.
4 And his sister stood afar off, to wit what would be done to him.
KJV

This Historical account is not about Mary. The sister in verse4 is Miriam. It is remotely possible that some wacko hearing this might think it's about Mary and Jesus, there is a vague similarity. But that wacko would have to be very dumb. And as anyone whose ever visited one of their stone age hell holes will tell you, yes, they really are that dumb.


EXODUS 2
_EXODUS 15
__NUMBERS 12__Miriam gets leprosy
___NUMBERS 20

[Izmael ibn Ibrahim]

Answer Parts IV and V

4. In the Bible, Jesus said in John 15:13, "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." In Christianity, the greatest act of love is performed by God Himself -- since Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14; Col. 2:9). Jesus is the one who fulfilled His own words on this. He laid His life down for us.

Question: What is the greatest act of love performed by Allah?

Sending Muhammad (pbuh) and giving the Qur’an as a guide for mankind.

Question: If what Jesus said is true, then hasn't someone besides Allah performed the greatest act of love?

If what he said was true, yes, but it’s not. See my previous post. Jesus (pigs be upon him) did not die.

Question: Why do you, as a Muslim, want us to give up such a great love performed by God Himself for your belief in Allah who only loves people if they are Muslims, and under certain circumstances?

Since it didn’t really happen, you wouldn’t be giving up any great love. You’ve got nothing to lose.

5. Islam teaches that the Holy Spirit is Gabriel. In the Bible, the Holy Spirit lives in True Christians™.

"That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us." (2 Tim. 1:14).

"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" (1 Cor. 3:16).

Question: If the angel Gabriel is the Holy Spirit, how can he dwell in us?

Gabriel is the Holy Spirit. In one place the Qur’an says:

Say, "Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel - it is [none but] he who has brought the Qur'an down upon your heart, [O Muhammad], by permission of Allah , confirming that which was before it and as guidance and good tidings for the believers." (Surah 2:97)

In a later place it says:

Say, [O Muhammad], "The Pure Spirit has brought it down from your Lord in truth to make firm those who believe and as guidance and good tidings to the Muslims." (Surah 16:102)

Other translations call the Pure Spirit the Holy Spirit. If the Qur’an says in one place that Gabriel gave the Qur’an to Muhammad (pigs be upon him) and in another place that Gabriel gave it to him, then it must mean that Gabriel is the Holy Spirit. Even in the Bible “the Spirit” can refer to angels.

Acts 8:26
And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
Acts 8:29
Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

Since we don’t believe Gabriel/ the Holy Spirit dwells in Christians, that’s something you have to explain. It's your religion. Though I suppose according to Christian theology it would be possible for an angel to live inside someone. You believe demons, fallen angels, can live inside people and possess them. But we don’t believe the Holy Spirit is God. Some even think that when Jesus (pigs be upon him) speaks of the “paraclete” in John he is referring to the Prophet (14:16, 26; 15:26; 16:7).

[WashedWithHisBlood]

Re: Answer Part III

Because “They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary.” Surah 5:17

We believe in Jesus (pbuh). He was the messiah and a Muslim.

“And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.” Surah 4:157-158

Allah took Jesus (pbuh) up to heaven when he was about to be crucified. Allah transformed somebody else, some say Judas, to look exactly like him and be crucified in his place. So why should you give up “guaranteed salvation?”

I Corinthians 15:14
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
I Corinthians 15:17
And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Your faith is futile because Jesus (pbuh) didn’t die and rise from the dead. How can you seriously believe he died and rose again? Jesus (pbuh) never claimed to be anything more than a prophet.

“[Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.” Surah 19:30

I see a lot of criticism here of Christians who you call cherrypickers. Well you don’t get to cherrypick which ones of Allah’s prophets you believe.

“Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and wish to adopt a way in between - Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment. But they who believe in Allah and His messengers and do not discriminate between any of them - to those He is going to give their rewards. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.” Surah 4:150-152

You can’t believe in the prophets Noah (pbuh) Moses (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh) but reject Muhammad (pbuh). As to the second part of you question which suggests that we’ll never know if we’ve done enough righteous deeds I answered that in my previous post. We don’t have to do anything more than follow the five pillars and be moderately good.

Maryam and Isa (pbuh)

TBC

You know what? It's kinda sad that yahoo shut down their public chat server and all, because I truly missed trashing muzzies like you in yahoo chat rooms.

[Izmael ibn Ibrahim]

Answer Part III

3. In Christianity, Jesus is God in flesh who paid for our sins on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24). Because of that, we Christians are secure in Him and do not have to worry about doing enough good works to please God since we are saved by grace through faith in Him, (Eph. 2:8-9).

Question: Why should we Christians give up our guaranteed Salvation© in Jesus for the requirements of your Qur'anic law when you yourselves don't even know if you have done enough good deeds to be saved on the Day of Judgment?

Because “They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary.” Surah 5:17

We believe in Jesus (pbuh). He was the messiah and a Muslim.

“And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain. Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.” Surah 4:157-158

Allah took Jesus (pbuh) up to heaven when he was about to be crucified. Allah transformed somebody else, some say Judas, to look exactly like him and be crucified in his place. So why should you give up “guaranteed salvation?”

I Corinthians 15:14
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
I Corinthians 15:17
And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Your faith is futile because Jesus (pbuh) didn’t die and rise from the dead. How can you seriously believe he died and rose again? Jesus (pbuh) never claimed to be anything more than a prophet.

“[Jesus] said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Scripture and made me a prophet.” Surah 19:30

I see a lot of criticism here of Christians who you call cherrypickers. Well you don’t get to cherrypick which ones of Allah’s prophets you believe.

“Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and wish to adopt a way in between - Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment. But they who believe in Allah and His messengers and do not discriminate between any of them - to those He is going to give their rewards. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.” Surah 4:150-152

You can’t believe in the prophets Noah (pbuh) Moses (pbuh) and Jesus (pbuh) but reject Muhammad (pbuh). As to the second part of you question which suggests that we’ll never know if we’ve done enough righteous deeds I answered that in my previous post. We don’t have to do anything more than follow the five pillars and be moderately good.

Maryam and Isa (pbuh)

TBC

[WashedWithHisBlood]

Re: Answer Part II

The conditions for repentance in Islam are much the same as I was taught as a Christian. You’ve got to stop committing the sinful act and resolve never to do it again, feel sincere regret deep down and try to make it up to the other person.



This question had me stumped, I must admit. I had to ask my imam and I told him I was discussing this issue with Christians. He said that the may in this verse was just a manner of speech. I’m still learning new things all the time. Anyway a Bible verse starting niggling at the back of my mind (I used to be a Christian, remember) and I looked it up.

Phil 3:8-11
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

According to the Qur’an Allah definitely forgives all who repent, believe and do righteous deeds. There is no might.

"Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful." Surah 25:70

"Say, 'O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah . Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful.'" Surah 39:53



Sincerity alone is not the only way we can be forgiven. We can be forgiven for some minor misdeeds by offering prescribed prayer (Surah 11:114) Or by avoiding the most heinous of sins (Surah 4:31) or by bearing suffering or by giving to the poor.



Kind of irrelevant now. Back at you.



No. Pride is the worst vice.



No.

Your Allah doesn't love you the way my Jesus loves me . You muzzies douche bags are being butchered and left to starve by the whole world, and your Allah can't do a thing about it.