[WWJDnow]

Re: Is There a Just God? Yes, 39 Hindu Pilgrims Dead!

I have read the whole Bible. You do not know that Jesus would have spared him if he repented, ONLY GOD knows his plan.

The whole point of the Bible is to clue us in to the plan. But you do have a point--every now and then, God will bring misery and misfortune down on a righteous man just to win a bet with the Devil, as He did in the Book of Job. Still, that's more the exception than the rule, so, in the unlikely event that one of these pilgrims accepted Jesus, it's even more unlikely that Jesus would have killed him. Anyway, I'm not losing any sleep over a bunch of idolaters who died, your fantasies of a last-minute conversion notwithstanding.

I'm not sure I understand the purpose of you writing?Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment...?? I agree with the statement of course, but do not see it's relevance to your arguement?

First you say it's not the place of people to judge, then you say you agree with Jesus that we should judge righteously. Would you please give an example from your life of how you judged righteously without judging at all?

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Is There a Just God? Yes, 39 Hindu Pilgrims Dead!

I have read the whole Bible. You do not know that Jesus would have spared him if he repented, ONLY GOD knows his plan. I'm not sure I understand the purpose of you writing?Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment...?? I agree with the statement of course, but do not see it's relevance to your arguement? So I would kindly ask you explain it further.

Friend, WWJ is one of our most gifted Biblical scholars. That you have read to Bible, without adequate training to understand it, leaves you back at the starting gate in this debate.

It's simple, when God killed the 39 Hindu Pilgrims, it was his justice. What could be more clear?

[AdamE135]

Re: Is There a Just God? Yes, 39 Hindu Pilgrims Dead!

Jesus said in Luke 9:60, "Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God."

Why shouldn't we glorify God's plan?

For the wages of sin is death: but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23

Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 1 Corinthians 6:3

Nonsense. If a pilgrim had asked Jesus into his heart, then Jesus would have spared him when He killed the others.

What do you think Jesus meant when he said, in John 7:24, "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

In your case, you should start by reading the whole Bible, and not just the parts they taught you in Sunday school.

I have read the whole Bible. You do not know that Jesus would have spared him if he repented, ONLY GOD knows his plan. I'm not sure I understand the purpose of you writing?Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment...?? I agree with the statement of course, but do not see it's relevance to your arguement? So I would kindly ask you explain it further.

[WWJDnow]

Re: Is There a Just God? Yes, 39 Hindu Pilgrims Dead!

Should we not mourn the deaths of those that have not been saved by Jesus Christ as they will enter hell.

Jesus said in Luke 9:60, "Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God."

I do not think, as Christians, we should glorify the death of people. People die in accordance with God's plan.

Why shouldn't we glorify God's plan?

Our punishment for sins is not death itself but what comes after death.

For the wages of sin is death: but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6:23

It is not for us to judge the sins of others, that is for God.

Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 1 Corinthians 6:3

Maybe one of these Hindu Pilgrims asked Jesus Christ into his heart the minute before he died.

Nonsense. If a pilgrim had asked Jesus into his heart, then Jesus would have spared him when He killed the others.

We do not know this and therefore should let God be the one who judges as he is Almighty and even knows the number of hairs on our head.

What do you think Jesus meant when he said, in John 7:24, "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment."

There is a difference between interpreting and understanding the Bible.

In your case, you should start by reading the whole Bible, and not just the parts they taught you in Sunday school.

[AdamE135]

Re: Is There a Just God? Yes, 39 Hindu Pilgrims Dead!

Baloney.



You are adding to and interpreting the Bible. Let's see what Jesus says about that!

(2 Peter 1:20) "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

YiC,

Z. Smyth

There is a difference between interpreting and understanding the Bible. I would like to note that it is God that will be the judge of me, not another man. I pray that God will work in your heart.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Is There a Just God? Yes, 39 Hindu Pilgrims Dead!

I assure you I have read the Bible cover to cover and am not adding to Gods word. It is God who will be the judge of that, not you. I also assure you I think for myself. I am simply detailing my understanding of it, as you are. we have 2 different understandings and I pray God shows us both the light.

Baloney.

James 2:10 . What James is saying is that all of us fall short of God's standards and are legally guilty. God says "The wages of sin is death." That means even one sins and falls short, no matter how well-intended you are or how hard you are trying. James is simply saying a SIN, is a SIN. I do not feel you have 'blasted' my 'theory'. Surely if you felt I was wrong in my undestanding, as a Christian, you would pray that God opens my eyes rather than make a mocking comment? I pray that God will open your eyes.

You are adding to and interpreting the Bible. Let's see what Jesus says about that!

(2 Peter 1:20) "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

YiC,

Z. Smyth

[AdamE135]

Re: Is There a Just God? Yes, 39 Hindu Pilgrims Dead!

It appears that you trust the Google more than the Bible. I bet I could guess your search parameters.



I will respond to your post in spite of your use of the New International PERVersion.



See the part in red? If you don't believe in Jesus, you are going to Hell.



I see that one of your search terms was "faith." Again, if people have not put their faith in Jesus Christ (Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Hindus, Mormons, etc.) they are going to Hell.



See above answer.



See above.



Answer me this: how many Commandments are there? If you say 10, it'll be pretty funny.



And I readily agreed to that, as long as they kept all of the other Commandments of the Bible.

YiC,

Zech

By the grace of God the Bible is available online
I agree that if people do not have faith in God they will not enter Heaven, I haven't suggested otherwise. No one person is without sin, does that mean no-one will go to Heaven if no-one has kept all of Gods commandments.

1 John 1:8-10
King James Version (KJV)
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

So lets say someone repents, accepts Jesus into their heart and asks us to forgive our sins 5mins before death, then surely he will enter the Kingdom of heaven.

[AdamE135]

Re: Is There a Just God? Yes, 39 Hindu Pilgrims Dead!

James 2:10 says exactly what it says: nothing more, nothing less.

You are trying to add to God's Word, and if you had truly read and understood the Bible, the whole Bible, you would know that.

(Revelation 22:18-19) "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

You won't see many false "christian" "preachers" talk about that in your study group because all of those vipers are guilty of it. Don't make the same mistake they do. Think for yourself, and read the Bible starting at Genesis 1:1 and ending up at Revelations 22:21.

It'll change your life, I promise you...it sure changed mine!



YiC,

Zech

I assure you I have read the Bible cover to cover and am not adding to Gods word. It is God who will be the judge of that, not you. I also assure you I think for myself. I am simply detailing my understanding of it, as you are. we have 2 different understandings and I pray God shows us both the light.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Is There a Just God? Yes, 39 Hindu Pilgrims Dead!

It appears that you trust the Google more than the Bible. I bet I could guess your search parameters.



I will respond to your post in spite of your use of the New International PERVersion.

Please also read
John 3:16
"God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life

See the part in red? If you don't believe in Jesus, you are going to Hell.

Ephesians 2:8 -- By grace are you saved through faith.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God."

I see that one of your search terms was "faith." Again, if people have not put their faith in Jesus Christ (Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Hindus, Mormons, etc.) they are going to Hell.

Galatians 2:16
"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified."

See above answer.

Of course James 2:24 -- Man is justified by works, not by faith only.
"You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only."

See above.

1 John 5:3 -- God requires us to keep His commandments. If we do not obey him, we do not love Him.
"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome."

Answer me this: how many Commandments are there? If you say 10, it'll be pretty funny.

However relating to the example of someone repenting a minute before death they are not able to have a list of Godly works, this however does not seny them access to Heaven.

And I readily agreed to that, as long as they kept all of the other Commandments of the Bible.

YiC,

Zech

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Is There a Just God? Yes, 39 Hindu Pilgrims Dead!

James 2:10 . What James is saying is that all of us fall short of God's standards and are legally guilty. God says "The wages of sin is death." That means even one sins and falls short, no matter how well-intended you are or how hard you are trying. James is simply saying a SIN, is a SIN. I do not feel you have 'blasted' my 'theory'. Surely if you felt I was wrong in my undestanding, as a Christian, you would pray that God opens my eyes rather than make a mocking comment? I pray that God will open your eyes.

James 2:10 says exactly what it says: nothing more, nothing less.

You are trying to add to God's Word, and if you had truly read and understood the Bible, the whole Bible, you would know that.

(Revelation 22:18-19) "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

You won't see many false "christian" "preachers" talk about that in your study group because all of those vipers are guilty of it. Don't make the same mistake they do. Think for yourself, and read the Bible starting at Genesis 1:1 and ending up at Revelation 22:21.

It'll change your life, I promise you...it sure changed mine!



YiC,

Zech

[AdamE135]

Re: Is There a Just God? Yes, 39 Hindu Pilgrims Dead!

Please also read
John 3:16
"God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life

Ephesians 2:8 -- By grace are you saved through faith.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God."

Galatians 2:16
"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified."


Of course James 2:24 -- Man is justified by works, not by faith only.
"You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only."

1 John 5:3 -- God requires us to keep His commandments. If we do not obey him, we do not love Him.
"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome."

However relating to the example of someone repenting a minute before death they are not able to have a list of Godly works, this however does not seny them access to Heaven.

[AdamE135]

Re: Is There a Just God? Yes, 39 Hindu Pilgrims Dead!

An "injun" in this case means someone from India (as opposed to the scalping injuns).

Your Bible study obviously does not involve reading the bible from cover-to-cover, but rather reading selected verses chosen by some "preacher" with an agenda. I have provided one verse above (James 2:10) which blasts your whole "oh goody, everyone goes to Heaven if they just wuv Jesus!" theory out of the water.

YiC,

Zech

James 2:10 . What James is saying is that all of us fall short of God's standards and are legally guilty. God says "The wages of sin is death." That means even one sins and falls short, no matter how well-intended you are or how hard you are trying. James is simply saying a SIN, is a SIN. I do not feel you have 'blasted' my 'theory'. Surely if you felt I was wrong in my undestanding, as a Christian, you would pray that God opens my eyes rather than make a mocking comment? I pray that God will open your eyes.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Is There a Just God? Yes, 39 Hindu Pilgrims Dead!

May I ask what 'injun' means? From my Bible study I have gathered that as long as you accept Jesus into your heart and ask for forgiveness you will go to heaven. Just as one good deed will not get you into heaven, one sin will not send you to hell, for it is in our heart what matters.

An "injun" in this case means someone from India (as opposed to the scalping injuns).

Your Bible study obviously does not involve reading the bible from cover-to-cover, but rather reading selected verses chosen by some "preacher" with an agenda. I have provided one verse above (James 2:10) which blasts your whole "oh goody, everyone goes to Heaven if they just wuv Jesus!" theory out of the water.

YiC,

Zech

[AdamE135]

Re: Is There a Just God? Yes, 39 Hindu Pilgrims Dead!

What? I rejoice any time God's Word is fulfilled!

(Revelation 20:15) "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."



And if one of those injuns DID indeed accept Jesus Christ as his Personal Savior, of course he is welcome to join us in Heaven! Presuming of course that he followed all of the other bits of the Bible to the letter.

(James 2:10) "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

May I ask what 'injun' means? From my Bible study I have gathered that as long as you accept Jesus into your heart and ask for forgiveness you will go to heaven. Just as one good deed will not get you into heaven, one sin will not send you to hell, for it is in our heart what matters.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Is There a Just God? Yes, 39 Hindu Pilgrims Dead!

Should we not mourn the deaths of those that have not been saved by Jesus Christ as they will enter hell. I do not think, as Christians, we should glorify the death of people. People die in accordance with God's plan. Our punishment for sins is not death itself but what comes after death. It is not for us to judge the sins of others, that is for God. Maybe one of these Hindu Pilgrims asked Jesus Christ into his heart the minute before he died. We do not know this and therefore should let God be the one who judges as he is Almighty and even knows the number of hairs on our head.

What? I rejoice any time God's Word is fulfilled!

(Revelation 20:15) "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."



And if one of those injuns DID indeed accept Jesus Christ as his Personal Savior, of course he is welcome to join us in Heaven! Presuming of course that he followed all of the other bits of the Bible to the letter.

(James 2:10) "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth