[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Atheist fallacies

Why, already they have decided to make sleepy Joe a saint -- with a halo!

[Cranky Old Man]

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Why would the Romans execute someone who didn't exist? Atheists can't explain this.

All atheists suffer from a disease called "cognitive dissonance". It makes them blind to proof they are wrong. They keep living in their small and smelly ignorance bubbles until they burn in Hell for all eternity. A well deserved punishment!

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Atheist fallacies

I haven't read all that is written in this thread but I feel moved by The Spirit to write about the fundamental fallacy of atheism.

1. Atheism holds that there is no God (not even false ones), no Satan, no Jesus and no Holy Spirit. Well, we can write that last one off, can't we? The proof of the Holy Spirit is here - I am being moved by it!

That leaves the other two members of the Trinity: God The Father, and God the Son.

2. Atheism states that either (a) Jesus did not exist or (b) He was a man and asks, "Why is there no huge record of Him and His miracles in the Roman history of the time?" and concludes "If he did exist, then He was no more than a lunatic preacher similar to the leaders of Al Qaida/ISIS/Boko Haram, etc., and there were hundreds of those about back in the day."

The trouble with this is that Roman history is unreliable! The Romans did not have freedom of speech or a constitution allowing for a universal franchise as we do. No! The Roman Empire resembled the Soviet Union of Stalin or the Hell Hole of North Korea: If someone came along and tried to overthrow the established order, the Communists would liquidate Him and write him out of History! Added to this were the Sadducees and Pharisees (and Scribes) who were the local politicos who, like the demoncrats, just wanted everyone to behave as they wished, as long as it was exactly what Sadducees and Pharisees (and Scribes) said they should be doing. In basic terms, they were the KGB of the Roman Empire - keeping people in order through terror. Never forget, even to possess a Bible in those days in Israel would have resulted in your being thrown to the lions.

This is more or less what happened to Jesus: He pissed off the Sadducees and Pharisees (and Scribes); they sent a report to the Romans; the Romans executed Him.

Why would the Romans execute someone who didn't exist? Atheists can't explain this.

3. So, this leaves only God the Father, and the atheists' claim that God is unnecessary to the running of the Universe and that everything has already been explained without God the Father.

Well... everything, that is, except things that have not been explained by them.

Christian: The earthquake was cause by God
Atheist: "No. It was caused by the movement of tectonic plates.
Christian: Who moved them?
Atheist: They moved themselves as they float on liquid iron
Christian: Who put the iron there?
Atheist: It appeared from the superheated fundamental particles that were released into the universe. They combined and decayed into the elements we know today
Christian: Where did the stuff in the Big Bang come from?
Atheist: There are several theories but we don't know for sure.
Christian: I suggest God did it.
Atheist: He didn't do any of the other things: why should god have done this? (Notice how Atheists annoy Christians by consistently failing to capitalized "God")
Christian: How can there be an effect without a cause?

Checkmate Atheist! Because from this, The Holy Spirit, Jesus, the Miracles, the Bible, Salvation, Eternal Life, all logically follow, and all is clear.

The only question that remains is Why would atheists based their religion on "not knowing"?

[Isabella White]

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When you think about it, so called "freedom of religion" with its atheists and Catholics is hurting our country every day.

Amen, dear Brother Mayor Hold! And, I'm afraid that things are only going to get worse during the next four years, if that Joe Burden gets inaugurated tomorrow. We will be hearing plenty about the Cathyolick "church" and precious little about the . Why, already they have decided to make sleepy Joe a saint -- with a halo!

[Johny Joe Hold]

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Atheists cannot logically complain about sex trafficking, slavery, poverty, lack of health care, drive-by shootings, wife-beatings, or drug overdoses. They believe humans are worthless clumps of cells without higher meaning or purpose, randomly brought together in the random womb of a random woman (or random man with a randomly placed vagina because atheists don't care about accuracy or biology any more than they care about logic). If something is a random clump of things, it has no God given rights. One cannot take away or violate rights that don't exist.

From the atheistic perspective, there is no free will. All our actions are the cause of genetics and dietary choices and the influences of people around us. So how can they even blame anyone for anything? And yet atheists are the biggest accusers of all.

I know because I have a Very Vibrant Prayer Life and We are close. Spiritually and Mentally. Atheists wouldn't understand. Maybe they're just jealous. Is jealously a logical fallacy?

Preach it, Sister Mary. That is powerful. Adding it all together like you do there is no logical reason for anyone to be an atheist. Our country needs to grab reality. Reality is God and His Son, Jesus Christ. When you think about it, so called "freedom of religion" with its atheists and Catholics is hurting our country every day.

[Mary Etheldreda]

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Atheists cannot logically complain about sex trafficking, slavery, poverty, lack of health care, drive-by shootings, wife-beatings, or drug overdoses. They believe humans are worthless clumps of cells without higher meaning or purpose, randomly brought together in the random womb of a random woman (or random man with a randomly placed vagina because atheists don't care about accuracy or biology any more than they care about logic). If something is a random clump of things, it has no God given rights. One cannot take away or violate rights that don't exist.

From the atheistic perspective, there is no free will. All our actions are the cause of genetics and dietary choices and the influences of people around us. So how can they even blame anyone for anything? And yet atheists are the biggest accusers of all.

I don't know what that fallacy is called but it really irks Jesus. I know because I have a Very Vibrant Prayer Life and We are close. Spiritually and Mentally. Atheists wouldn't understand. Maybe they're just jealous. Is jealously a logical fallacy?

[MitzaLizalor]

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Which part of Africa are you in?

[Collinslaw]

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It's great to read God's Word in the KJV as He intended. I was shocked to learn how much had been altered or redacted in the other so-called "bibles" out there.

God has explained how certain types say There Is No God. They're called atheists and are determined to mock Christ. They even say they're NOT claiming there's no God!

God Himself has provided the definition here, they can't help themselves, they just have to contradict Him. Thank you for posting this encouraging Psalm.

its not easy to be a true Christian in this country. There are lot of idolatry and godless people here. If I preach about Jesus, some folks have this pride and deluded belief that they can continue their sinful life and still make heaven which is clearly impossible. Some people here say they are Christians and are ordinary church goers.they don't even know the Holy Spirit and do not love God. How can someone go to church on Sunday and then later go to a witchcraft on Monday or even some churches have forgotten to preach on Holiness. Its a terrible spiritual disaster here

[MitzaLizalor]

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It's great to read God's Word in the KJV as He intended. I was shocked to learn how much had been altered or redacted in the other so-called "bibles" out there.

God has explained how certain types say There Is No God. They're called atheists and are determined to mock Christ. They even say they're NOT claiming there's no God!

God Himself has provided the definition here, they can't help themselves, they just have to contradict Him. Thank you for posting this encouraging Psalm.

[Collinslaw]

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I think you'll find that atheists know there were pharaohs.



For those who don't, here is the context:

Romans 9:19-23 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory

Funnily enough God articulates what He means. You seem to have missed out that bit:

Romans 9:25b-32b I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith

They know pharaoh but are they aware that God harden the heart of the biblical pharaoh so he can be stubborn and proud unto his own destruction. Many of these atheist are stubborn in this generation mocking and saying "there is no God".


The bible already talked about them along time ago
Psalm 14:1-4


The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the Lord.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Originally Posted by Collinslaw
The tough atheist don't know that someone like pharaoh once existed

I think you'll find that atheists know there were pharaohs.

we all remember Romans 9 verses 19-23

For those who don't, here is the context:

Romans 9:19-23 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory

Funnily enough God articulates what He means. You seem to have missed out that bit:

Romans 9:25b-32b I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith

[Collinslaw]

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Who is more idiotic, the believer quoting the Bible in an argument against atheists, or the atheist not quoting the Bible against the believers?


I think the winner is the one not making even an argument on why is idiotic. Yes, the winner is the one sentence wonder who cannot even back his claims with a proper argument! Congrats!

brother,a times. We need to ignore and pray for them. We don't debate with darkness as children of Light. Rather we preach in and out of seasons, exhort,rebuke and convince with longsuffering. The tough atheist don't know that someone like pharaoh once existed whom God thoughed his heart unto destruction for the power and Glory of God to be made known.we all remember romans 9 verses 19-23

[MitzaLizalor]

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Honestly! Stop it! They might as well go

If there is no God, then elephants are giraffes
Elephants are giraffes
Therefore there is no God

or even

If the moon is square, then God is real
The moon is not square
Therefore God is not real

I think I'm going to be sick

[Pim Pendergast]

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If I were God I'd know how to create a universe.
The universe exists.
Therefore I am God.

Let's face it, that's what they're saying in effect. Would that be affirming the consequent?

That's another good one to add to the list, Sister. Affirming the consequent takes the form:

If A, then B
B
Therefore A

To take an example from another thread, an atheist might say:

If there is no God, then miracles are impossible
Miracles are impossible
Therefore there is no God

But if miracles are impossible, then how did Jesus perform miracles? How did He rise from the dead?

Of course, the atheist doesn't want to hear evidence of God's existence. By rejecting the miraculous, he is rejecting the strongest evidence we have.

[MitzaLizalor]

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If I were God, I would/ wouldn’t… I wasn’t sure what to call this one, so I made up a name for it. Perhaps someone else on this godly forum knows the proper name. This is when people try to disprove God’s existence by claiming that if they God they would do things differently. For example, Richard Dawkins claimed that if God were real, He would have created fewer species. People often say something like, “If I were God, I wouldn’t allow suffering in the world; therefore God doesn’t exist.” Just because you might do things differently if you were God doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist. Personally, I wouldn’t do anything differently if I were God. He is perfect.

Can anyone else think of other fallacies?

If I were God I'd know how to create a universe.
The universe exists.
Therefore I am God.

Let's face it, that's what they're saying in effect. Would that be affirming the consequent?