[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: Atheist fallacies

It’s idiotic to cite the Bible in an argument for religion against atheists.

Who is more idiotic, the believer quoting the Bible in an argument against atheists, or the atheist not quoting the Bible against the believers?


I think the winner is the one not making even an argument on why is idiotic. Yes, the winner is the one sentence wonder who cannot even back his claims with a proper argument! Congrats!

[Gum goblin]

Re: Atheist fallacies

A fallacy is an error in reasoning or logic. Atheists frequently employ them to support or defend their position. Here are some common ones.

Genetic fallacy. This has nothing to do with genes. It is referring to genesis, or origins. It is the attempt to discredit a belief on the grounds that its origins are dubious. For example, an atheist might claim that religion developed as a means of explaining the world or as an evolutionary adaptation or for psychological or social advantages. But you can’t discredit a belief by discrediting its supposed origins. Besides, we know that belief in the God of the Bible was the original religion and atheism arose out of man’s desire to deny the truth of God’s existence (Rom 1:18). Therefore atheism can be flatly rejected.

Ad hominem. This involves personally attacking your opponent instead of bringing a reasoned argument against him. For example, an atheist might say, “Only gullible/ weak/ uneducated people believe in God.” Just remember that those who reject God are “filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful” (Rom 1:29-31).

Begging the question. Also known as circular reasoning. This is when a claim is assumed to be true without any evidence to support it other than the claim itself. For example, atheists presuppose that God doesn’t exist and then claim that all evidence supporting the existence of God must be flawed because He doesn’t exist. We, on the other hand, know that God exists because the Bible tells us so, and we know that the Bible is reliable because it tells us it is inspired by God.

If I were God, I would/ wouldn’t… I wasn’t sure what to call this one, so I made up a name for it. Perhaps someone else on this godly forum knows the proper name. This is when people try to disprove God’s existence by claiming that if they God they would do things differently. For example, Richard Dawkins claimed that if God were real, He would have created fewer species. People often say something like, “If I were God, I wouldn’t allow suffering in the world; therefore God doesn’t exist.” Just because you might do things differently if you were God doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist. Personally, I wouldn’t do anything differently if I were God. He is perfect.

Can anyone else think of other fallacies?

It’s idiotic to cite the Bible in an argument for religion against atheists.

[KillTheKing666]

Re: Atheist fallacies

FUCK YOUR GOD!!!!!!!! SATAN WILL DESTROY YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dr. Anthony J. Toole]

Re: Atheist fallacies

So true, Mr Mayor. Another favorite of mine is the ON THE SPOT FALLACY, which is when an atheist thinks they've won a debate if a Christian can't come up with evidence to support their position or counter the atheist's argument.

Unfortunately I see this more and more in political debates. The liberals always try and change the topic by introducing facts and figures and statistics and analysis. It's a form of distraction. Hold firm, smile politely and brush it off. For all her flaws, Betsy DeVos is a good model for this. Politics is about getting the Republican candidate into office and worrying about the details later. Our current President has shown over and over that you don't need a plan, you just need the best brain and the best people.

[Alan Swallows Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: Atheist fallacies

If they have a document written by God that says something different than the Bible, they should show us. If the don't they should just disappear.

So true, Mr Mayor. Another favorite of mine is the ON THE SPOT FALLACY, which is when an atheist thinks they've won a debate if a Christian can't come up with evidence to support their position or counter the atheist's argument. I mean, it's not like you can expect a Christian to have read every single scientific study ever published - or even one. Or to have a basic understanding of how evolutionism supposedly works. I mean, just because we don't know everything about science or philosophy doesn't mean we can't have an opinion. It's not like you have to have read every Superman comic to know that he's just make-believe nonsense. When debating with unbelievers, I like to stick with widely-known facts, like how the Grand Canyon proves Noah's flood happened, that way you can avoid this error.

[Johny Joe Hold]

Re: Atheist fallacies

ARGUMENT FROM VERBOSITY: This is when atheists think they've won a debate because they've flooded you with more arguments than you can reasonably be expected to address, while simultaneously ignoring the evidence you've presented from the Bible, nature, creation science, flood geology, archaeology, church history, fulfilled prophecy, miracles, answered prayer and personal testimony.

Powerful, Brother Swallows, powerful. The Bible is God's Word. The atheists have no documentation to prove their claims. I don't want to be crude here, but there's a great saying about people like atheists, "They have $hit-for-brains." If they have a document written by God that says something different than the Bible, they should show us. If the don't they should just disappear.

[Alan Swallows Waiting for Email Confirmation]

Re: Atheist fallacies

ARGUMENT FROM VERBOSITY: This is when atheists think they've won a debate because they've flooded you with more arguments than you can reasonably be expected to address, while simultaneously ignoring the evidence you've presented from the Bible, nature, creation science, flood geology, archaeology, church history, fulfilled prophecy, miracles, answered prayer and personal testimony.

[OneFailure]

Re: Atheist fallacies

I honestly can't believe I fell for atheists lies once. They will never lead me astray again

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Atheist fallacies

Thank you, Sister Mitza, for the very helpful chart. I shall refer to it often. Just in case anyone should wish to read the full text of the Dunning-Kruger article, a free version is also available:

It is interesting that their work was inspired by the tragic case of one Mr McArthur Wheeler, who robbed banks having first taken the precaution of making himself invisible to the security cameras by rubbing lemon juice on his face (ouch!). He based this on a recipe for invisible ink.

Now I do not recall there being anything in the about this. And so the consequences were predictable.

Had Mr Wheeler paid more attention to the word of Our Lord, and less to made-up-stuff from the Boys' Own Burglarizing Manual, he might have spared himself some embarrassment.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Atheist fallacies

I was having trouble keeping up with all the fallacies so made a quick chart for my own reference.
I'll just leave it here so everyone can see where we're up to.

. .	Fallacy	comments
	Genetic fallacy
	Ad hominem
	Begging the question	.a type of circular reasoning
	If I were God	.Typical Mind fallacy?
	No true Scotsman
	Invincible ignorance
	Appeal to consequences
	Blind faith	.particularly applicable to Marxists
	God Loves Everyone	.simply a false premise
	Misplaced burden of proof
	Special pleading
	Moving the goalposts
	Wishful thinking
	Argument from ignorance
	Appeal to authority
	Argument from self-knowing
	Argument from incredulity
	Hindsight bias
	Confirmation bias
	Backfire effect
	Dunning-Kruger effect?	.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10626367 .
	The fallacist's fallacy
	non sequitur
	Proof by assertion
	Appeal to ridicule
	Sunk cost fallacy

Secularists often go on about we should respect other people's beliefs. There was an example of this a few posts ago and I asked twice about what seemed grossly disrespectful to God's Inerrant Word. Of course this particular secularist would not consider it inerrant and require us to respect that. It was a fairly short dialogue.

I am an Atheist and I respect everyone's beliefs. It's okay to be a Christian, it's okay to be a Jew, it's okay to be a Muslim etc. But you guys just use your belief as an excuse to be a racist, homophobic, masogynistic [sic]

Well, you say you do but.….are you suggesting that you disrespect those who respect God's Inerrant Word?

Don't take my word for it. Check it out here

remember this?
I respect everyone's beliefs

This is the 21st century, when are you going to realise everybody thinks you're ridiculous.

I don't mind if you think I'm ridiculous.

What I'm interested in is what you mean by

I respect everyone's beliefs

Then, nothing. So typical of the atheistic approach. As soon as you have a simple question of the type any Christian is happy to answer they go on about respect then get very critical and disappear. I find that very disrespectful.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Atheist fallacies

Imagine the "sunk cost" for places like universities where they've been thinking up stuff to make their circles square for hundreds of years! Evolutionists for example . . . It makes me smile. They're not fooling anyone.

Rather than invest their time and money on something useful, such as building a lifesize replica of Noah's Ark, they squander taxpayer dollars on bolstering support for their silly creation myths (big bang theory/ evolutionism). If only they would heed Jesus' exhortation to reassess whether they are expending their energy on a worthy pursuit and, if not, to turn back while they still can. The price of not doing so can be very high. Indeed, you could lose your soul (Mt 16:26). Nothing could be more rewarding and meaningful than dedicating your life to the truth. I am reminded of our very own Pastor Zeke, who has selflessly and tirelessly dedicated his life to feeding Jesus's lambs. Surely his labor in the Lord is not in vain.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Atheist fallacies

Sunk cost fallacy.

I'm just taking that in.

Imagine the "sunk cost" for places like universities where they've been thinking up stuff to make their circles square for hundreds of years! Evolutionists for example; they didn't start with Charles Darwin. He simply cooked up some dodgy observations and minced a few words to give a demonstration of what had been postulated for some time. Now they have whole departments sifting through the nonsense looking for an occasional bead to string along with their word salad: honestly. It makes me smile. They're not fooling anyone.

[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Atheist fallacies

Sunk cost fallacy. I would never have invested so much of my time, effort and resources on studying and defending atheism and evolutionism and promoting secularism and humanism if it weren't true or worthwhile; therefore I must double down on my position and work even harder to defend and promote it. The longer you put off facing up to reality and cutting your losses, the greater your loss. Jesus encourages us to count the cost before we follow Him (Lk 14:28-33). Since I am a Christian, I have therefore counted the cost and can be certain I have not wasted my life studying Theoscience.

[MitzaLizalor]

Re: Atheist fallacies

God is perfect because the Bible tells us so.

Although we know that God is perfect the heathens we witness to may not have that established, in their understanding of the world.

For them, the starting point might be "Is God perfect?"

By looking at what they'd probably call empirical evidence, taking simple observations without differentiating cause or effect, a body of fact is accumulated.

If we saw food provided which we couldn't digest, for example, or rain that prevented the growth of plants then we could ask (justifiably I suppose) whether God was perfect or even competent. But that is not what we see.

Psalm 139
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
KJV

Everything He does is perfect. Therefore God is perfect.





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[Pim Pendergast]

Re: Atheist fallacies

You say that Atheists use Circular Reasoning, however, when you say "I wouldn't do anything differently if I were God. He is perfect", you are using circular thinking. You say that god does everything perfectly, because god is perfect. Your only reasoning for why god is perfect seems to be because he just is.

I knew this would happen sooner or later. Atheists often project their fallacies onto Christians. God is perfect because the Bible tells us so.

Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

We know the Bible is trustworthy because it tells us it is the inspired word of God.

2 Tim 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

And we know God's Word is true because the Bible tells us so.

Jn 17:17b Thy word is truth.

I take it you think you would do things differently if you were God. Perhaps you wouldn't permit evil. And because of that, you think God doesn't exist. Welcome to the forum, anyway. Please be sure to start a thread in the introduction forum and tell us what church you go to, what your favorite Bible verse is and how you came to find Jesus.