[Ph0enix808]

Re: Lord of the Rings... ok?

Things good about this show:



Things BAD AND SATANIC: False gods, Witchcraft, magic, Midgets, women disobeying their husband, Drunkards, potheads, Based on DND(Demons,Negros,and Devils)

[BobFaget]

Re: Lord of the Rings... ok?

I sorta like the movies they are well written, well scripted,use a "fair" amount of cgi in comparisons to other films Jackson has done and overall he appealed to a larger and broader audience and was a let to make lots of money and prestige, I think he did well

[Jack Rankan]

Re: Lord of the Rings... ok?

I'm as conservative and born again Christian as they come- but I think there are a few here that are so dogma minded that you are willing to throw out such a beautiful thing (like Lord of the Rings) because it doesn't pass a series of litmus tests, like it was written by a Catholic. Lord of the Rings teaches many good lessons, and like the best story teller that ever was (Jesus) used, it is filled with parables. Some of these posts in this thread are just way out there.

It teaches witchcraft. That's right, LOTR teaches witchcraft and that book should be burned and not read.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Lord of the Rings... ok?

I'm as conservative and born again Christian as they come- but I think there are a few here that are so dogma minded that you are willing to throw out such a beautiful thing (like Lord of the Rings) because it doesn't pass a series of litmus tests, like it was written by a Catholic. Lord of the Rings teaches many good lessons, and like the best story teller that ever was (Jesus) used, it is filled with parables. Some of these posts in this thread are just way out there.

Who cares? No seriously, who cares? Even if, which is not the case, Lord of the Rings would be a good book instead of the Satanic snoozefest we all know it to be, it's irrelevant. The Holy Bible has all the stories and all the parables we will ever need!

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

Re: Lord of the Rings... ok?

I'm as conservative and born again Christian as they come- but I think there are a few here that are so dogma minded that you are willing to throw out such a beautiful thing (like Lord of the Rings) because it doesn't pass a series of litmus tests, like it was written by a Catholic. Lord of the Rings teaches many good lessons, and like the best story teller that ever was (Jesus) used, it is filled with parables. Some of these posts in this thread are just way out there.

Why don't you scoot on over to the Introductions sub-forum and post a proper introduction there. Then we might listen to what you have to say.

[truthwins]

Re: Lord of the Rings... ok?

I'm as conservative and born again Christian as they come- but I think there are a few here that are so dogma minded that you are willing to throw out such a beautiful thing (like Lord of the Rings) because it doesn't pass a series of litmus tests, like it was written by a Catholic. Lord of the Rings teaches many good lessons, and like the best story teller that ever was (Jesus) used, it is filled with parables. Some of these posts in this thread are just way out there.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: Lord of the Rings... ok?

Looked to me like a drive-by copy/paste.

From someone's MA thesis (MA, Calcutta, Failed).

The cathylicks are at it again - trying to infiltrate Landover with their false dogma.

http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features2005/pkreeft_christlotr_nov05.asp

[Attila's Wife]

Re: Lord of the Rings... ok?

Looked to me like a drive-by copy/paste.

From someone's MA thesis (MA, Calcutta, Failed).

[Mark L. Snyde, PhD]

Re: Lord of the Rings... ok?

What was all that about?

Eh, never mind.

Looked to me like a drive-by copy/paste.

[Basilissa]

Re: Lord of the Rings... ok?

>>>wall of text<<<

What was all that about?

Eh, never mind.

[WWJDnow]

Re: Lord of the Rings... ok?

quae sub hisfiguris vere latitat..... Gandalf, Frodo, and Aragorn; Mr. Spock, Bones McCoy, and Captain Kirk; Ivan, Alyosha, and Dmitri Karamazov....

You left out the three little pigs, the three bears in the Goldilocks story, the three tenors, and Winken, Blinken, and Nod.

The British, an otherwise pointless race, have a word for this. It begins with a B, has a double L in the middle and ends CKS. The two missing vowels are both circular in shape. This word is often preceded by "What a load of utter".

What a load of utter bellstocks? The way those Brits mangle the English language sure is amusing.

[Attila's Wife]

Re: Lord of the Rings... ok?

whatever

The British, an otherwise pointless race, have a word for this. It begins with a B, has a double L in the middle and ends CKS. The two missing vowels are both circular in shape. This word is often preceded by "What a load of utter".

[truthwins]

Re: Lord of the Rings... ok?

"Even though The Lord of the Rings is not an allegory of the Gospels, we can find numerous parallels to the Gospels in The Lord of the Rings, since the Person at the center of the Gospels is omnipresent in hidden ways, not only in His eternal, universal nature as Truth, Goodness, and Beauty, but even in His particular historical manifestation, His Incarnation. For instance, Frodo's journey up Mount Doom is strikingly similar to Christ's Way of the Cross. Sam is his Simon of Cyrene, but he carries the cross bearer as well as the cross. There is no one complete, concrete, visible Christ figure in The Lord of the Rings, like Aslan in Narnia. But Christ is really, though invisibly, present in the whole of The Lord of the Rings. The Lord of the Rings is like the Eucharist. Under its appearances we find Christ, who under these (pagan, universal) figures (symbols, not allegories), is truly hidden: quae sub hisfiguris vere latitat. He is more clearly present in Gandalf, Frodo, and Aragorn, the three Christ figures. First of all, all three undergo different forms of death and resurrection (see section 5.1 of The Philosophy of Tolkien: The Worldview Behind The Lord of the Rings). Second, all three are saviors: through their self-sacrifice they help save all of Middle-earth from the demonic sway of Sauron. Third, they exemplify the Old Testament threefold Messianic symbolism of prophet (Gandalf), priest (Frodo), and king (Aragorn). These three "job descriptions" correspond to the three distinctively human powers of the soul, as discovered by nearly every psychologist from Plato to Freud: head, heart, and hands, or mind, emotions, and will. For this reason many great tales have three protagonists: Gandalf, Frodo, and Aragorn; Mr. Spock, Bones McCoy, and Captain Kirk; Ivan, Alyosha, and Dmitri Karamazov; St. John the philosophical mystic, St. James the practical moralist, and St. Peter the courageous leader and Rock. A fourth hidden presence of Christ in The Lord of the Rings is in the theme of divine providence (see section 2.2); for from the New Testament point of view Christ is the supreme example in history of divine providence–in fact, the single point of all other examples, of all history. A fifth presence of Christ in The Lord of the Rings is in the creative power of its language (see sections 9. 1 and 9-3). Christ is the Logos, the Word of God. He is mentioned in the Bible as early as Genesis 1:3 (cf. Jn 1:3), but as a verb, not a noun. A sixth presence is ecclesial. Tolkien was a Catholic and called The Lord of the Rings "a Catholic book" (see section 2.4). He removed "churches" from The Lord of the Rings not only to avoid anachronism but also to show the presence, in the depths of his plot, of the universal ("catholic") Church. For the Church is not only an organization but also an organism, an invisible, "mystical" Body, a "fellowship". The word "church", from the Greek ek-klesia, means "the called out". A good description of the Fellowship of the Ring. For the Church, too, is a "fellowship of a ring", but her ring is exactly the opposite of Sauron's. It is the Eucharist: a little wafer that is equally round, but full rather than empty; the humble extension of the Incarnation of God into man rather than the proud self-exaltation of man in order to make himself God. The Ring takes your life, your blood, like Dracula, a perfect opposite to Christ, Who comes to give His blood, to give us a blood transfusion. The two symbols are perfect opposites: the Ring of Power and the Bread of Weakness, the Lord of the Rings and the Lamb of God. The whole of history, as revealed in the Bible, is the cosmic jihad between Christ and Antichrist, martyr and vampire, humility of God versus pride of man. Throughout the Bible there is vertical symbolism exemplifying this contrast. Paradise is made in Eden by God's self-giving descent and lost through man's self-taking, man's succumbing to the devil's temptation to become "like God". The apparent rise is really the "fall". After Paradise is lost, the City of Man tries to rise up to Heaven again by its own power, in the Tower of Babel, and falls. And when Paradise is finally regained, the New Jerusalem of the City of God descends from Heaven as a grace. The most fundamental Christian symbol is the Cross. This also is perfectly opposite to the Ring. The Cross gives life; the Ring takes it. The Cross gives you death, not power; the Ring gives you power even over death. The Ring squeezes everything into its inner emptiness; the Cross expands in all four directions, gives itself to the emptiness, filling it with its blood, its life. The Ring is Dracula's tooth. The Cross is God's sword, held at the hilt by the hand of Heaven and plunged into the world not to take our blood but to give us His. The Cross is Christ's hypodermic; the Ring is Dracula's bite. The Cross saves other wills; the Ring dominates other wills. The Cross liberates; the Ring enslaves. The Cross works only freely, by the vulnerability of love. Love is vulnerable to rejection, and thus apparent failure. Frodo offers Gollum free kindness, but he fails to win Gollum's trust and fails himself, at the Crack of Doom, to complete his task. But his philosophy does not fail. He could have used the philosophy of Sauron, of the Ring. He could have used force and compelled Gollum, or even justly killed him. But no one can make another person good by controlling his will, not even God. Frodo nearly won Gollum by his kindness, but Gollum chose not to trust and lost both his body and his soul. Frodo failed. There is no room for failure in the philosophy of Sauron. There is room for failure in the philosophy of Tolkien, for the philosophy of Tolkien is simply Christianity. And according to Christianity, the most revealing thing that ever happened in history happened at another Crack of Doom, when Christ "failed", lost, died. That was how the meek little Lamb defeated the great dragon beast (see Rev 17, especially verse 14): by His blood. Frodo did what Christ did, and it "worked" because Christ did it, because it was real, not fantasy, and it was real because the real world is a "Christian" world. Only in a Christian world can this "failure" have such power."

http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features2005/pkreeft_christlotr_nov05.asp

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[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Lord of the Rings... ok?

Yes, LOTR is one of the best novel/film series' out there. Anyone who says otherwise has no idea of what they are talking about. All you super-right-wing-nuts are just as bad as the liberals you criticize. As a fellow conservative Christian, please stop making us more reasonable folk look bad! If LOTR is so bad, why is it that all of the sorcery and witchcraft you talk about is done by the Dark Lord Suaron/Saruman/other foes in the series? You people are truly inane,
And furthermore, you can all go piffle yourselves.

Gandalf didn't use magic?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Lord of the Rings... ok?

Yes, LOTR is one of the best novel/film series' out there. Anyone who says otherwise has no idea of what they are talking about. All you super-right-wing-nuts are just as bad as the liberals you criticize. As a fellow conservative Christian, please stop making us more reasonable folk look bad! If LOTR is so bad, why is it that all of the sorcery and witchcraft you talk about is done by the Dark Lord Suaron/Saruman/other foes in the series? You people are truly inane,
And furthermore, you can all go piffle yourselves.

Hi and welcome to our friendly forums!

You seem to have forgotten to support your opinion with the Holy Word of God. Can you please share the scriptures in which you found your rather... unusual ideas?

Thanks!