[Yelisa Camargo]

Re: Christian Domestic Discipline

The Corporal Discipline not always is the best solution for correct the foul of a boy or a guirl , i send you the following report that i had read in a Christian website ,but it is into Spanish , take note of it :

Maria Isabel dijo: enero 30, 2012 en 5:17 am
Hay una gran verdad en el articulo que nos envia Pastor Daniel sobre la necesidad de disciplinar a nuestros hijos , los padres de hoy en dia somos muy indolentes y abandonados en este tema si bien en mi hogar eso no sucede pues es mi marido quien aplica la vara de correcciòn cuando es preciso aplicarla lo que gracias a Dios sucede en muy pocas y contadas ocasiones .
Como el pasor Daniel sabe muy bien y contrariamente a lo que la gente se cree , somos precisamente los padres y madres de familia Cristianos los que menos veces recurrimos al castigo con la vara , y eso sucede por la sencilla razòn de que nosotors solo usamos la vara para corregir a nuestros hijos cuando nos cometen MALDADES GRAVES ¡¡¡ jamàs la aplicamos para castigar una simple travesura infantil !!!.
Una maldad no es una travesura , una travesura es una falta injustificada al colegio mientras que una maldad grave es por ejemplo cometer un robo en ese colegio ya sea a un compañero o a una profesora .
Nosotros nos vimos en esa situacion en una ocasion en que una de nuestras hijas , de 13 años de edad, le abrio el bolso a una de sus profesoras y le hurtò dinero y obejtos de su interior , pero la descubrieron en el colegio y nos lo informaron desde la direccion del mismo .
Esa tarde cuando nuestra hija llegò a casa mi marido agarrò la vara flexible de madera con la que aplica la disciplina corporal a nuestras hijas , y le zurrò las nalgas tan duro con ella a nuestra hija mayor que desde esa tarde nunca màs volviò a cometer nungun otro robo màs .
Sin embargo es rara , muy rara la vez en que mi marido se ve obligado a usar la vara , eso si , cuando tiene que usarla lo hace y sin temblarle la mano consciente de que està cumpliendo una orden directa de Dios pues en la Biblia eso està muy pero muy claro .
Sin embargo no todas las faltas que nuestros hijos cometen se deben castigar corporalmente .
Conocemos un caso concreto de un miembro de nuestra Iglesia que vive en Kuala Lumpur , en Indonesia , pais Islàmico , en este caso se trataba de un matrimonio con hijas de edades algo mayores que las nuestras , por lo que parece estas muchachas eran muy aficionadas a ver revistas inmorales y obscenas y esto en un pais musulman es muy peligroso tanto para los hijos como para los padres pues las sanciones del gobierno son muy severas , lo son tanto que alli pueden ser los padres los que sean castigados a ser azotados por la policia si un juez islàmico los condena a la pena de azotes .
Pues bien el Señor Nicolas (que asi se llama el padre de las muchachas a las que me refiero , para erradicar la tenencia y visionado de estas publicaciones obscenas e inmorales las cuales sus hijas las usaban como material para excitarse y autocomplacerse sexualmente ) logrò resolver este problema sin necesidad de recurrir a la vara .
¿ Como lo consiguiò ?
En INDONESIA las mujeres que trabajan en los gimnasios deportivos dando masajes a los deportistas desde hace un tiempo usan CINTURONES DE CASTIDAD para evitar ser atacadas y violadas por algun deportista al que dan el servicio de masaje terapeùtico , pues bien el señor Nicolas sabedor del uso de este recurso por parte de estas masajistas deportivas decidiò recurrir a el para solucionarl el problema que sus hijas le estaban causando .
De modo que despues de preguntar a una de ellas por el fabricante del aparato protector contra la violacion que usaba esta le dio la direccion del fabricante del suyo y el señor Nicolas se fuie a verlo y le encargò dos cinturones de castidad de acero para sus hijas , una vez estuvieron terminados le puso un cinturon a una de sus hijas y el otro a la otra , y desde entonces solucionò el problema de forma definitiva , pues ya a las muchachas de nada les servia tener publicaciones obscenas ni revistas de contenido sexual pues con los cinturones de castidad puestos no podian acceder a sus partes y cometer el pecado de Onan pero en version femenina , por lo que pude saber las hijas del señor Nicolas llevan tres años ferreamente encinturadas y en todo ese tiempo su padre nunca les quitò los cinturones..¡¡¡ ni siquiera para bañarse !!!! pues lo pueden hacer con los cinturones puestos ,no es necesario quitarlos para ducharse o bañarse y nadar en una piscina o playa .
Como podemos ver este ejemplo nos enseña que la vara no es efectiva en todos los casos en que es necesario corregir a un hijo o hija y que hay ocasiones en que es mejor optar por otro tipo de correctivos mas apropiados para corregir el mal que se produce , este caso nos ilustra de forma muy clara que a veces la vara puede incluso ser perjudicial para corregir alguna faltas y hay que recurrir a otras soluciones mas creativas para lograr alcanzar el mismo objetivo.
MARIA ISABEL


Please look this other new ,it is into English :


Jakarta- In an attempt to stop prostitution at massage parlours, a city administration in Indonesia's East Java province has issued an order obliging masseuses to wear locked chastity belts, local media reports said Thursday.
But the new requirement has sparked controversy with Indonesia's State Minister for Women's Empowerment, Meutia Hatta, who opposed the policy on grounds that it insults women.
East Java's Batu mayoralty administration issued the order obliging masseuses to wear sturdy black pants with a padlock on the left side preventing them from being opened or lowered. The keys are kept by the massager parlor supervisor, according to the detik. com online news portal.
Batu's local security agency warned the massage parlours may lose their permits if they were found to be violating the controversial regulation.
"Massage parlours have been identified with prostitution. That's why we decided to impose a tight regulation," Imam Suryono, head of the Batu's district police service, was quoted as saying.
"We hope that with this policy the massage parlours here will be free from hidden prostitution practices."
While the Jakarta tourism agency was considering a similar regulation, Hatta said she was firmly opposed to extending the policy.
"It is not the right way to prevent promiscuity. It insults women as if they were the ones in the wrong," the Jakarta Post quoted Hatta as saying. "It is not that we oppose the administration's effort to uphold morality, but the problem is in their way of treating masseuses as if they're all committing prostitution."
"In fact, many people go to the parlours purely for health reasons, not for sex," she said.

Now also in Indonesia several Muslim parents and also several Christian parents are put in the bodies of their daughters those chastity belst for prevent rape and also pornography sexual tentaptions , i don`t know what think about it but in this cases the rod of correction almost is not necessary because those modern chastity belts are very effectives for prevent sex relations before marriage !!

Yelisa Camargo

[Yelisa Camargo]

Re: Christian Domestic Discipline

As you should. Women are supposed to be submissive.

yes , of course , that i am a submissive family mother , i am only a housewive ,i only work at home .
But i am not sure if my husband must follow the Bible in all that it tell about of the ROD OF CORRECTION and my husband must use exactly a ROD OF CORRECTION or he can use a small whip as the whip that you can see in the images that i sent just a minutes ago !!??.

I would speak with a person of your website that understand Spanish langguage , because for me the English is a not very confortable langguage for writte to you and even less for send consults over a so difficult theme as the application of the CORPORAL DISCIPLINE at home , this is a very serious theme for to be toke without common sense !!.

For other way , the rod of correction or the small whip sometimes is not the best way for correct other very different fouls as for example the way of dress inmoral and obscenity dressing .

In our home the mini-skirts are banned for my husband , the skirts that our daughters use must have more lenght that the knee level , our skirts always are down of our knees .

We always use modest dressing and without jewels because it is VANITY and it is not gratefull to the eyes of GOD .

GOD BLESS YOUR CHRISTIAN COMUNITY !!

YELISA CAMARGO


Jesus used a whip. John 2:15


The item of discipline that your husband uses is his choice, not yours. He is the head of the household and you cannot tell him what to do.[/QUOTE]

[Yelisa Camargo]

Re: Christian Domestic Discipline

Excusse me because i have a email server that i don`t understand very well , because i sent two images and those images did not arrive to your group forum .

I send you those images again , i expect that this time the images arrive to your website well .

The question that i sent you in the past post is .......if my husband that is the person that apply to our 13 and 15 years old daughters the Corporal Discipline over their buttocks (when is necessary apply it ) must use a flexible rod of wood ( SEHBET ) as GOD tell in the BIBLE .....or can be used those small whips that my husband have for put in order to our daughters in sustitution of the rod of wood ????

Yelisa Camargo

I don't see any images.


As you should. Women are supposed to be submissive.


Jesus used a whip. John 2:15


The item of discipline that your husband uses is his choice, not yours. He is the head of the household and you cannot tell him what to do.

[Damned Angelique]

Re: Christian Domestic Discipline

Dear Christian brothers . excuse my poor English level , i am Latinamerican .

I give thanks to God for to find this Christian Baptist site , and i want send you my opinion about the Corporal Discipline in a Christian Baptist home .

I send you two images of the kind of implements that my husband use for put in order our two 13 and 15 years old daughters , i accept the Corporal Disciple for make that our children obey us but i don`t know if is better to use a rod of wood or those small whips are legal under the point of view of the Bible , because GOD speak about ot a ROD of WOOD but HE don`t speak anything about a small whip .

Please send me a advice about if i must tell to my husband that change those kind of whips for a couple of rods of wood .

thanks a lot of !!.

GOOD BLESS TO OUR CHRISTIAN COMUNITY !!!

YELISA CAMARGO

Just a piece of friendly advice, but you might wanna make yourself an Introduction thread in the sub-forum marked "Introductions". Don't forget to mention your church name, favorite verse, and how and when you found Jesus...

[arthur frayn]

Re: Christian Domestic Discipline

A series of holes drilled in the paddles shown here would increase the efficiency of them, immensely.

Art F.

[Esther B.]

Re: Christian Domestic Discipline

I send you two images of the kind of implements that my husband use for put in order our two 13 and 15 years old daughters ,

I don't see any images.

i accept the Corporal Disciple for make that our children obey us

As you should. Women are supposed to be submissive.

but i don`t know if is better to use a rod of wood or those small whips are legal under the point of view of the Bible , because GOD speak about ot a ROD of WOOD but HE don`t speak anything about a small whip .

Jesus used a whip. John 2:15

Please send me a advice about if i must tell to my husband that change those kind of whips for a couple of rods of wood .

The item of discipline that your husband uses is his choice, not yours. He is the head of the household and you cannot tell him what to do.

[Yelisa Camargo]

Re: Christian Domestic Discipline

Dear Christian brothers . excuse my poor English level , i am Latinamerican .

I give thanks to God for to find this Christian Baptist site , and i want send you my opinion about the Corporal Discipline in a Christian Baptist home .

I send you two images of the kind of implements that my husband use for put in order our two 13 and 15 years old daughters , i accept the Corporal Disciple for make that our children obey us but i don`t know if is better to use a rod of wood or those small whips are legal under the point of view of the Bible , because GOD speak about ot a ROD of WOOD but HE don`t speak anything about a small whip .

Please send me a advice about if i must tell to my husband that change those kind of whips for a couple of rods of wood .

thanks a lot of !!.

GOOD BLESS TO OUR CHRISTIAN COMUNITY !!!

YELISA CAMARGO

[Mrs. Elizabeth Johnson]

Re: Christian Domestic Discipline

Dear non-believer,

If you hate us so much, why did you join us on these blessed forums? Anyway, I'm a happily married woman, as you can tell by my profile name. My husband treats me with respect, love and kindness. Mr. Johnson obeys Ephesians 5:25 saying "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;". If I misbehave or do not obey the Bible, he loves me enough to tell me what I did wrong and lovingly correct me. "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent." Revelation 3:19 I obey, as Ephesians 5:22 tells me too. We are a happy, content, Christian couple. Is anything wrong with that?

Also, you should know that God is greater than any mortal judge. "There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?" You might call us judgmental, but we are simply obeying the Bible as we are told to make disciples out of every nation. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:" Matthew 28:19. How can we do that if we cannot tell who is a disciple and who is not?

Yours in Christ,
Mrs. Elizabeth Johnson

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: Christian Domestic Discipline

I think that we need a little context with this. I have not seen such a thing before and I do spend a lot of time going through the pages of articles that bring one nearer to intense spiritual joy.

However, kissing is a complex matter.

The child’s father could be near to death:

Ge:27:26: And his father Isaac said unto him, Come near now, and kiss me, my son.

Or he might have a Golden Calf in his workshop
Ho:13:2: And now they sin more and more, and have made them molten images of their silver, and idols according to their own understanding, all of it the work of the craftsmen: they say of them, Let the men that sacrifice kiss the calves.

Or he could be an informer for the atheists or catholics:
M't:26:48: Now he that betrayed him gave them a sign, saying, Whomsoever I shall kiss, that same is he: hold him fast.

But it is equally possible that he simply hopes to improve his technique when it comes to greeting fellow Christians

1Pe:5:14: Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.

We have all had that handshake that feels like a dead catfish being placed in your palm from someone with a weak grim and an unhealthy complexion.

If you are going to go about following Peter’s word, then it makes sense to practice.

Oh, wait... as I look closer, I see the lips are apart… well, perhaps it’s one of those things “Made in China” they never seem to get things quite right… Perhaps Landover should be producing these things, but with closed lips.

I’m sure they’d sell well – there’s obviously a market.

[Daisy Mae Johnson]

Re: Christian Domestic Discipline

Brothers in Christ. A shy sister approached me with a very unusual problem. She said she found her child practicing kissing on this fake rubber mouth. Kissing is what whores do! I'm at a loss as to what would be an appropriate punishment. Do you have any advice?

[mgreigns]

Re: Christian Domestic Discipline

and more over try and read this crap to the deputy sheriff that comes to arrest you for domestic violence see if it sways his opinion on you

So, How, exactly, does punishing your subordinates (Wife & brat kids) equate to domestic violence?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Christian Domestic Discipline

ever stop and think the bible is just another work of fiction like many other books written???and more over try and read this crap to the deputy sheriff that comes to arrest you for domestic violence see if it sways his opinion on you or better yet cite some of it to the judge presiding over your case im sure he will say something like " Oh, Well in the name of religion then its just fine" we are the socially enlightened and you as a group are still in the dark ages if im to burn in hell at least i will burn in hell with a clear conscious.

One of the nice things about living in Freehold is that we don't have to wait for an entire state to adopt a Religious Freedom Restoration Act like they have in Georgia (link to angry liberal source to show the kind of propaganda God-mockers use against Jesus). If a True Christian™ man has a legitimate concern for his wife's physical and spiritual well-being, and if his kindly verbal prompting isn't sufficient for her sinful nature to control the impulses of her flesh, then the Good Lord has provided a stronger incentive for the rebellious mind in the physical message. There's nothing wrong with discipline when done in Love and Honor, as defined by the Holy Bible. Why do you hate love and honor? Why do you fear self-discipline and order?

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Christian Domestic Discipline

What a way to set women's rights back about 60 years.

Thank you dear! While that's still 1940 years of "progressivism" we need to address to get back to Biblical Standards of Morality, still, a thousand mile journey begins with one step.

[John Creeser]

Re: Christian Domestic Discipline

ever stop and think the bible is just another work of fiction like many other books written???

Never. Why you ask? Here is your answer;

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Habakkuk 2:2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.

Also, you make the claim that I beat my wife. I do not. I have no reason too, she's read the scriptures and she knows her place. She is a shining example of a True Christian(tm) wife.

[non_believer]

Re: Christian Domestic Discipline

ever stop and think the bible is just another work of fiction like many other books written???and more over try and read this crap to the deputy sheriff that comes to arrest you for domestic violence see if it sways his opinion on you or better yet cite some of it to the judge presiding over your case im sure he will say something like " Oh, Well in the name of religion then its just fine" we are the socially enlightened and you as a group are still in the dark ages if im to burn in hell at least i will burn in hell with a clear conscious.