[Redeemed Papist]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

Let me be clear: All I'm writing here are MY beliefs. I don't pretend to know God in all it's senses. All you see here written by me is MY point of view.

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

Proverbs 28:25,26
25He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat.

26He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.

And you're going to burn in Hell for doing that.

[Jim Farmer]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

Let me be clear: All I'm writing here are MY beliefs. I don't pretend to know God in all it's senses. All you see here written by me is MY point of view. As you may have a view of God, I may have mine. But it there's something I'm sure of, is that the Bible is full of lies. Maybe at some point it has a bit of the truth, but the rest of it is just a lie made up because back then there was not so many sources of knowledge.

So if you don't believe the word of the Bible, how can you justify your belief in God - any version of God?

I don't think the God I know is the cruelest of all. A God who accepts all His children, no matter what religion / orientation / color etc etc is not cruel. A God who tells you you're gonna burn in Hell for not 'killing' the other people that aren't like you is a cruel God.

You clearly don't know God at all. The Bible is the word of God. Any other version of God is purely a figment of your imagination. Wake up girl! You either believe in God and His word, or you are an atheist bound to spend eternity in Hell. There is no half way. God doesn't accept half way. Which way are you going to turn?

[Basilissa]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

I don't think the God I know is the cruelest of all. A God who accepts all His children, no matter what religion / orientation / color etc etc is not cruel. A God who tells you you're gonna burn in Hell for not 'killing' the other people that aren't like you is a cruel God.

If your God is tolerant towards all religions, why aren't you tolerant towards our beliefs?

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

Let me be clear: All I'm writing here are MY beliefs. I don't pretend to know God in all it's senses. All you see here written by me is MY point of view.

Unfortunately, your point of view has no evidence to support it. The God you believe in is not the God of the Bible; he is not the God of any sacred text of any religion that I'm aware of. Therefore, your God is merely a product of your imagination. Like an imaginary friend that you make up when you feel bullied by other kids in school.

As you may have a view of God, I may have mine.

I have read enough about different religions to respect different views; unfortunately, these same studies have weakened my own faith, but that is something I hope to repair. However, the difference between you and, let's say, the !Kung people of the Kalahari desert, is that they have an oral tradition which reasserts them that their view of the supernatural is correct. You, on the other side, have nothing: no written text, no oral tradition.

But it there's something I'm sure of, is that the Bible is full of lies.

Your intuition may or may not be correct, but I would need you to provide some actual evidence to support that claim. I mean, you wouldn't want me to follow what you say just because you say it is correct, right?

Maybe at some point it has a bit of the truth, but the rest of it is just a lie made up because back then there was not so many sources of knowledge.

I think you underestimate ancient peoples. They had the same sources of knowledge as we have today: empirical experimentation. The scientific method was known basically since people first started using herbs for medicines.

I find your analogy pretty interesting, but I feel something is missing. Father A is not a witness of torturing and killing only. He is also a witness to the good little things people do to help the others by THEMSELVES. No one told them to be kind, there are people who never read the Bible, but are ready to sacrifice their time to help the others.

The key word here is "little." I guess it must be easy to believe in a benevolent God as you do, when you spend your life in your happy gated community, where police doesn't shoot every black man because there are no black people, and where homeless people are not allowed to enter, and where you benefit from slavery and not suffer from it. Unfortunately, only a tiny percentage of humanity lives that luxurious life. Most people suffer in life, and see the world as it is: an ugly, unjust, cruel place. In this world - the cruel, unjust world in which 99% of humanity live - God of the Bible makes much more sense than the nice God that you imagine.

He is a witness of people learning to accept the other people, no matter if they're black, white, jewish, because sinners or not, we are ALL his creation and we are ALL related as siblings in His eyes.

Well, maybe in your circles having "a black friend" is a great accomplishment for humanity, but actually, the world as a whole is not more just than it was during the Second World War. It is not more just than it was during the slave trade to the Americas. It is not more just than it was during the Black Plague. It is definitely less just than it was before the emergence of sedentary stratified societies.

Father A also watches animals getting saved by people everyday,

And countless others being tortured by people everyday. Have you ever seen an ASPCA commercial?

and animals saving people also.

He also created sharks, grizzly bears, and countless other predators that see humans as lunch.

He is not standing there, entertaining the torture and kill some of us have to endure.

If He doesn't like it, then why does He allow it? And correction: it is not "some of us" but "a big chunk of humanity." Again, please try to understand that not all people on this earth were born with a silver spoon. Most of us actually have to work in order to survive. If you are unfamiliar with the verb "to work," you can check in a dictionary.

Now, talking about Father B... I have to say that I'd rather have a father who gives me no directions than giving me the cruelest ones. And much more, if I don't respect His cruel rules, I'm gong to burn in Hell for eternity. At least, someone who is murdered in the case of Father A will have his or her soul into God's arms and will never have to suffer again.

Oh, come on, are you actually trying to shovel that crap into my mouth, thinking that you will convince me that it is caviar?

Please try to be logical: since your God doesn't give any rules to play the game of life, that means that there is no hell or heaven. No reward, no punishment. Otherwise, your God would be really unjust: I mean, can you imagine being eternally punished for loosing in a game which rules you don't know?

In the case of Father B though, if you don't respect things like letting your daughter be raped & impregnating her by yourself, you're not a respectable human being and do not deserve a place in Heaven. Really, Father B is a really gruesome guy in my opinion.

Well, He is less unjust than a God who allows people to play a game of life without giving us the rules, and then punishing those who fail to follow these rules.

I think I answered some of your questions while discussing the analogy, if you read carefully you'll find them.

Thank you for your kindness. I hope, though, that my answers will allow you to look beyond your sheltered, priviledged life, and see the world as it really is.

I don't think the God I know is the cruelest of all. A God who accepts all His children,

Including serial killers?

no matter what religion /

Even though most religions say that all the others are wrong?

orientation /

Even though most of the world's dominant religions see only one normal orientation, and define all others as deviant?

color

Even though most of the religions of the world have been used to justify discrimination and exploitation?

etc etc is not cruel. A God who tells you you're gonna burn in Hell for not 'killing' the other people that aren't like you is a cruel God.

And God who allows people to burn other people alive isn't a cruel God?

You see evolution as a cold and damned thing. I see evolution as a way of God to relate us to His other creations, to make connections between us and the outside world.

Please learn what evolution means before you make statements about evolution. Major mechanisms of evolution include natural selection and mutation. The first is commonly known as "survival of the fittest," and while it is an oversimplification, it does include the notion that the weak ones die off early. Mutation, on the other hand, is a completely random process, in which most mutations are useless, a small percentage is actually useful for something, and an equally small percentage causes the individual to get very sick and die early. The worst mutants die off in the first week after conception - yes, women miscarry much more often than they realize.

Why God would use such a slow, cruel and inefficient - from an all-powerful being's point of view - way of creating life, is beyond the scope of my understanding.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

But it there's something I'm sure of, is that the Bible is full of lies.

If this is true, then why do you think God allows this?

Father A is not a witness of torturing and killing only. He is also a witness to the good little things people do to help the others by THEMSELVES. No one told them to be kind, there are people who never read the Bible, but are ready to sacrifice their time to help the others.

What you are saying here is that a father who does nothing (which is father A) might get lucky and have a decent child after all. That doesn't make him a good parent. Even you must be capable of figuring that out. Parenting is something that requires effort. Doing nothing is not proper parenting.

[Christie]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

Hello Christie. I find your confidence in your view of God fascinating. Have you ever thought about creating your own religion? Because thousands of people before you have thought that they had the exclusivity on the correct view of God. Have you ever though what makes you so special, that your view of God would be the correct one, in contrast to all other prophets/founders of religions?



May I use an analogy? If you see a father (let's call him "Father A"), who doesn't give his children any directions to what is right and what is wrong, just sits back and relaxes watching as one of his children enslaves, tortures, and kills a sibling, would you call this father "caring?"

Now if we compare Father A with another father (let's call him "Father B"), who gives his children a specific set of directions of what is right and what is wrong, and who punishes the children who do not follow these directions, and rewards the children who do, would call this father "caring?"

News flash: the God you believe in is the first father. Personally, I would call him sadistic, not caring. The members of the Landover Baptist Church believe in God who is like the second father. You might think that some of His rules are harsh, but that's what caring fathers do - give their children clear rules to follow.



How do you know this, if you don't have a Scripture to follow? What makes you so special, how come you know what God wants, when millions of millions of people living since the beginning of humankind had millions of different ideas about the true nature of God?



So... are you admitting, that you have no idea what is God's true nature and what He really wants of us either?



So you really need millions of people to be tortured, enslaved, raped, burnt at the stake, starved to death, etc, etc, for the sole reason of "some people" learning their lessons?

Interesting. I don't think I like your view of God. He seems like a psychopath. He definitely isn't a person I would like to meet walking alone through a dark alley. He might want me to learn a lesson, to never walk alone through a dark alley again.



Wait, I'm confused. When do you think there will be "truth and justice?" Because there hasn't been justice on earth since the advent of agriculture, and there hasn't been truth on earth, well, since the people first started talking. I mean, even if you are the poster child of white privilege, I hope that you can see that not everybody was born with a silver spoon.



But the God you have imagined is the most cruel of them all!



Some scholars argue that this was the reason why religions were invented in the first place.



This is interesting. So you follow Plato's idealist view - somewhere out there there is an ideal religion, and all real religions are imperfect reflections of it. Based on what you said previously, somehow you have the exclusive access to the true religion, which allows you to see the true nature of God.

I'm not a psychologist, but I think you need to see one, urgently. I'm sure there are some pills which will be able to bring you back to reality.



Whether you believe the entire account of Jesus' life or not, the three synoptic Gospels - Matthew, Luke, and Mark - agree pretty closely in relation to what Jesus said. Therefore, there is little doubt that there was a historical Jesus, even if the events of his actual biography might be a bit sketchy.



No. If you reject the Bible and other sacred texts of other religions, the earth you walk on and the life you see is evidence of cold, cruel laws of evolution.

Let me be clear: All I'm writing here are MY beliefs. I don't pretend to know God in all it's senses. All you see here written by me is MY point of view. As you may have a view of God, I may have mine. But it there's something I'm sure of, is that the Bible is full of lies. Maybe at some point it has a bit of the truth, but the rest of it is just a lie made up because back then there was not so many sources of knowledge.

I find your analogy pretty interesting, but I feel something is missing. Father A is not a witness of torturing and killing only. He is also a witness to the good little things people do to help the others by THEMSELVES. No one told them to be kind, there are people who never read the Bible, but are ready to sacrifice their time to help the others. He is a witness of people learning to accept the other people, no matter if they're black, white, jewish, because sinners or not, we are ALL his creation and we are ALL related as siblings in His eyes. Father A also watches animals getting saved by people everyday, and animals saving people also. He is not standing there, entertaining the torture and kill some of us have to endure.

Now, talking about Father B... I have to say that I'd rather have a father who gives me no directions than giving me the cruelest ones. And much more, if I don't respect His cruel rules, I'm gong to burn in Hell for eternity. At least, someone who is murdered in the case of Father A will have his or her soul into God's arms and will never have to suffer again. In the case of Father B though, if you don't respect things like letting your daughter be raped & impregnating her by yourself, you're not a respectable human being and do not deserve a place in Heaven. Really, Father B is a really gruesome guy in my opinion.

I think I answered some of your questions while discussing the analogy, if you read carefully you'll find them.

I don't think the God I know is the cruelest of all. A God who accepts all His children, no matter what religion / orientation / color etc etc is not cruel. A God who tells you you're gonna burn in Hell for not 'killing' the other people that aren't like you is a cruel God.

You see evolution as a cold and damned thing. I see evolution as a way of God to relate us to His other creations, to make connections between us and the outside world.

[Jim C. Lombardo]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

While I can cosy up to the thought of squirting one into my daughter's baby-maker. I have difficulty reconciling the notion of marrying her after and committing polygamy.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

1. There are so many questions, if we think a bit: Why does God allow atheist people to exist? Why does God allow other religions to exist, if they are "misleading" the people? The truth is that it's you very own fault if you let yourself misled by a book.

Hello Christie. I find your confidence in your view of God fascinating. Have you ever thought about creating your own religion? Because thousands of people before you have thought that they had the exclusivity on the correct view of God. Have you ever though what makes you so special, that your view of God would be the correct one, in contrast to all other prophets/founders of religions?

God gave the world free will, and look what they did with it. Of course He didn't stop caring.

May I use an analogy? If you see a father (let's call him "Father A"), who doesn't give his children any directions to what is right and what is wrong, just sits back and relaxes watching as one of his children enslaves, tortures, and kills a sibling, would you call this father "caring?"

Now if we compare Father A with another father (let's call him "Father B"), who gives his children a specific set of directions of what is right and what is wrong, and who punishes the children who do not follow these directions, and rewards the children who do, would call this father "caring?"

News flash: the God you believe in is the first father. Personally, I would call him sadistic, not caring. The members of the Landover Baptist Church believe in God who is like the second father. You might think that some of His rules are harsh, but that's what caring fathers do - give their children clear rules to follow.

He is just waiting for each one of us to see His true nature,

How do you know this, if you don't have a Scripture to follow? What makes you so special, how come you know what God wants, when millions of millions of people living since the beginning of humankind had millions of different ideas about the true nature of God?

not the one that other people put down on a paper because they magically thought they know all the meanings of God and everything God represents.

So... are you admitting, that you have no idea what is God's true nature and what He really wants of us either?

2. He didn't lost control, He has control of everything. There is a reason why sometimes God leaves mistakes to be done in this world: Without them, some people would never learn their lessons.

So you really need millions of people to be tortured, enslaved, raped, burnt at the stake, starved to death, etc, etc, for the sole reason of "some people" learning their lessons?

Interesting. I don't think I like your view of God. He seems like a psychopath. He definitely isn't a person I would like to meet walking alone through a dark alley. He might want me to learn a lesson, to never walk alone through a dark alley again.

Without mistakes, there wouldn't be truth and justice.

Wait, I'm confused. When do you think there will be "truth and justice?" Because there hasn't been justice on earth since the advent of agriculture, and there hasn't been truth on earth, well, since the people first started talking. I mean, even if you are the poster child of white privilege, I hope that you can see that not everybody was born with a silver spoon.

A God who allows acts of cruelty is obviously a cruel God. I honestly don't believe there is such thing as a cruel God.

But the God you have imagined is the most cruel of them all!

Look, I'm so sick of religion, as you see it. Religion is supposed to guide you to the best qualities, to the best in life, but instead of doing that, all the religions are trying to manipulate people and make them do whatever they are told.

Some scholars argue that this was the reason why religions were invented in the first place.

They are teaching you that females are miserable and useless human beings, that there's no problem if you're daughter gets raped by an uninvited guest. Where is the respect? Where are the kind words? Where is the love your so called "PERFECT" God put into us? Where is the acceptance? Where is the parent - children love? No religion is completely pure, but all of them pretend to be right.

This is interesting. So you follow Plato's idealist view - somewhere out there there is an ideal religion, and all real religions are imperfect reflections of it. Based on what you said previously, somehow you have the exclusive access to the true religion, which allows you to see the true nature of God.

I'm not a psychologist, but I think you need to see one, urgently. I'm sure there are some pills which will be able to bring you back to reality.

Are you sure your beloved Jesus said that? What's your proof? OOOH I forgot. Your proof is the Bible. So in the Bible someone wrote that Jesus said you HAVE to believe every word in the Bible. Maybe Jesus has never said that. It was just wrote in the Bible so it will make it more believable.

Whether you believe the entire account of Jesus' life or not, the three synoptic Gospels - Matthew, Luke, and Mark - agree pretty closely in relation to what Jesus said. Therefore, there is little doubt that there was a historical Jesus, even if the events of his actual biography might be a bit sketchy.

God left life on Earth, not a book. A book is created by people. It has no life. As I said, the only proof you have that God exists is the Earth you're standing on and the life around you. The book that appeared after is just something people created to manipulate people back then.

No. If you reject the Bible and other sacred texts of other religions, the earth you walk on and the life you see is evidence of cold, cruel laws of evolution.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

1. There are so many questions, if we think a bit: Why does God allow atheist people to exist? Why does God allow other religions to exist, if they are "misleading" the people? The truth is that it's you very own fault if you let yourself misled by a book. God gave the world free will, and look what they did with it. Of course He didn't stop caring. He is just waiting for each one of us to see His true nature, not the one that other people put down on a paper because they magically thought they know all the meanings of God and everything God represents.

So according to you the Holy Bible is nonsense and the only way to figure out what God wants from us is to "guess" and to "feel" it!? Don't you see how weird this is? That God would allow a nonsensical Bible to exist and give us no clues whatsoever on what is the real truth!?

2. He didn't lost control, He has control of everything. There is a reason why sometimes God leaves mistakes to be done in this world: Without them, some people would never learn their lessons. Without mistakes, there wouldn't be truth and justice. A God who allows acts of cruelty is obviously a cruel God. I honestly don't believe there is such thing as a cruel God.

So God created child rapists, murderers and Obama voters so we can learn from it? What exactly is the lesson a child that gets raped and then murdered learns?

Do you really NOT see how flawed your logic is? That IF God is so mighty and all powerful that He could create absolutely everything (which we know He is) that He will also be capable of creating a simple book!?

[Christie]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

So then Harry Potter and Winnie the Pooh are just as valid and meaningful as the Holy Bible? Really?

You would have us believe that Islam is just as good as Christianity. Christianity was founded by the virgin-born son of God, Jesus Christ. Islam was founded by Muhammad, a demon-possessed pedophile who had 12 wives, the last one of which was a nine-year-old girl. BIG DIFFERENCE, heathen!

God wrote the Bible, don't you doubt it for a second. Satan wants you to believe that mankind wrote the Bible, but it's not true. God Almighty, creator of the known universe, gave us the KJV Bible so that we would know His Holy word. Jesus Himself said that we are to obey EVERY WORD of the Holy Bible!



Why are you even here? This is a Christian forum, did you know that? What part of UNSAVED NOT WELCOME did you not understand?

At least, Harry Potter and Winnie the Pooh never pretended to be true stories as the Bible did. You are talking about a pedophile like it's something bad (which it really is ) , but you forgot your religion allows pedophilia too. Fathers impregnating their young daughters isn't pedophilia as well? Look, I'm so sick of religion, as you see it. Religion is supposed to guide you to the best qualities, to the best in life, but instead of doing that, all the religions are trying to manipulate people and make them do whatever they are told. They are teaching you that females are miserable and useless human beings, that there's no problem if you're daughter gets raped by an uninvited guest. Where is the respect? Where are the kind words? Where is the love your so called "PERFECT" God put into us? Where is the acceptance? Where is the parent - children love? No religion is completely pure, but all of them pretend to be right.

Are you sure your beloved Jesus said that? What's your proof? OOOH I forgot. Your proof is the Bible. So in the Bible someone wrote that Jesus said you HAVE to believe every word in the Bible. Maybe Jesus has never said that. It was just wrote in the Bible so it will make it more believable.

God left life on Earth, not a book. A book is created by people. It has no life. As I said, the only proof you have that God exists is the Earth you're standing on and the life around you. The book that appeared after is just something people created to manipulate people back then.

[Christie]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

So why does God allow people to be misled by the Bible? Do you think God stopped caring?

So you think God lost control?

1. There are so many questions, if we think a bit: Why does God allow atheist people to exist? Why does God allow other religions to exist, if they are "misleading" the people? The truth is that it's you very own fault if you let yourself misled by a book. God gave the world free will, and look what they did with it. Of course He didn't stop caring. He is just waiting for each one of us to see His true nature, not the one that other people put down on a paper because they magically thought they know all the meanings of God and everything God represents.

2. He didn't lost control, He has control of everything. There is a reason why sometimes God leaves mistakes to be done in this world: Without them, some people would never learn their lessons. Without mistakes, there wouldn't be truth and justice. A God who allows acts of cruelty is obviously a cruel God. I honestly don't believe there is such thing as a cruel God.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

No. Of course He would like us to know the truth, but He wants us to discover our own way to Him. The Bible you believe in was wrote by people, just like there are many authors out there writing books. It's not His fault you believe more in a book than you believe in the actual God .

So then Harry Potter and Winnie the Pooh are just as valid and meaningful as the Holy Bible? Really?

You would have us believe that Islam is just as good as Christianity. Christianity was founded by the virgin-born son of God, Jesus Christ. Islam was founded by Muhammad, a demon-possessed pedophile who had 12 wives, the last one of which was a nine-year-old girl. BIG DIFFERENCE, heathen!

God wrote the Bible, don't you doubt it for a second. Satan wants you to believe that mankind wrote the Bible, but it's not true. God Almighty, creator of the known universe, gave us the KJV Bible so that we would know His Holy word. Jesus Himself said that we are to obey EVERY WORD of the Holy Bible!

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5:18

Why are you even here? This is a Christian forum, did you know that? What part of UNSAVED NOT WELCOME did you not understand?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

No. Of course He would like us to know the truth, but He wants us to discover our own way to Him.

So why does God allow people to be misled by the Bible? Do you think God stopped caring?

To know the child you grew in your tummy with so much care and love is now pregnant with her father? And much more, GOD ALLOWS THAT. Isn't that a cruel God?

So you think God lost control?

[Christie]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

Have you ever thought this through, dear? This would make your 'God' a cruel, psychopathic tyrant. Think about it. The process of evolution, a process by which minute genetic mutations randomly occur, sometimes aids, sometimes hinders, sometimes makes no discernible difference at all for an individual, much less an entire species. Because one species evolves in relation to its environment, predators have evolved to be good predators, killing their prey in brutal scenes of bloody triumph, the rewards of a good hunt to be the live evisceration and consumption of an otherwise peaceful animal. Because one species evolves in relation to its environment, prey have evolved to escape, if not completely avoid detection, of the beast that must eat lest it die that day or the next. An unsuccessful hunt weakens the animal, rendering it more vulnerable to other prey, inside or outside its own community. If you've ever felt low blood sugar, imagine having to hunt like that, knowing that if the sun sets the next day without success, you will be killed like the prey whose scent makes your salivary glands quiver in anticipation.

This doesn't take into account the kind of suffering that comes from infection, a simple sliver causing a staff infection that would swiftly wipe out the life of a child. It doesn't take into account the kind of suffering that comes from childbirth, the loss of blood and oxygen that naturally kills both mother and child because the birth canal is not naturally designed to reliably accommodate the size of the fetus' skull. It doesn't take into account the suffering that comes from imprisonment from humans, who are prone to paranoia and tribal thinking, the kind of thinking that identifies an enemy in seemingly irrational cues like race, religion, economic or social policy.

The overwhelmingly majority of conscious, sentient beings do not die peacefully in their beds, surrounded by loved ones, pampered and soothed in loving compassion. And this, according to you, is how your 'God' would intend it. This is the 'God' you worship. This is the 'God' you love and honor and hold in highest regard. This 'God' is disgusting. This 'God' is horrifying. This 'God' is capricious and sociopathic and would be judged to be villainous and unworthy of the tiniest piece of affection if he were any other character, one allowed to be judged fairly and intelligently. This is a 'God' who could have designed a morally positive creation, but instead opted for one that is inherently filled with fear and pain, and watches from afar without concern. Your 'God' is a character I would spit on if he were real and I had to the opportunity to do so.

The Real God, the God revealed in the Holy Bible however, is a loving, merciful God (1 John 4:8). The Real God created a world in Perfect Glory to reveal His Glory (Philippians 2:9-11). The Real God allows freedom of will so that people can choose to Glorify Him or not (Mark 8:34). The Real God sent His Only Begotten Son to pay the price of Sin so that after this world of suffering, the world poisoned by Sin, the genuine lover of the Real God will be rewarded for ever and ever (Romans 4:25). Amen.

Well, death would occur anyway. Death is painful anyway. BUT at least, I believe in a God who loves His creation. A God who doesn't think some of His creations are less useful than others. A God who forgives. A God who doesn't care if you're suicidal, homosexual, sick, "useless" to the others, 'cause He will love you anyway. He won't judge you if you mistake in life, but He will listen and forgive. Because you are His creation and because without bad, there wouldn't be good. A God who loves you, who created you through His very first creations so you'll be related to the outside world

You believe in a God who accepts "impregnating" your own daughter. Who says that it's okay to sell you wife or daughter .Who hates some of His creations just because they have mental problems they DIDN'T CHOSE TO HAVE ( I'm talking about suicidal / homosexual / sick people in general ). Maybe there is a reason why those people are this way. As I said before, without bad you wouldn't be able to see the good.

You are a woman. How come you agree to believe in a God who allows your daughter to be impregnated by her dad? You, as a mother, HOW would you feel? To know the child you grew in your tummy with so much care and love is now pregnant with her father? And much more, GOD ALLOWS THAT. Isn't that a cruel God?

[Christie]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

Why not? Do you think God prefers us to be misled by drunk people over knowing the truth?

No. Of course He would like us to know the truth, but He wants us to discover our own way to Him. The Bible you believe in was wrote by people, just like there are many authors out there writing books. It's not His fault you believe more in a book than you believe in the actual God .