[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

I believe in evolution. I also believe in the theories of the Universe being created by an explosion.

I don't think all these happened by themselves, though. I believe there is a spiritual force strong enough to do all these, and this is named 'God'. I believe that nothing happened against His will. He created everything as an explosion. He created people by evolution, through time, so we will be related with all this world has to offer.

Have you ever thought this through, dear? This would make your 'God' a cruel, psychopathic tyrant. Think about it. The process of evolution, a process by which minute genetic mutations randomly occur, sometimes aids, sometimes hinders, sometimes makes no discernible difference at all for an individual, much less an entire species. Because one species evolves in relation to its environment, predators have evolved to be good predators, killing their prey in brutal scenes of bloody triumph, the rewards of a good hunt to be the live evisceration and consumption of an otherwise peaceful animal. Because one species evolves in relation to its environment, prey have evolved to escape, if not completely avoid detection, of the beast that must eat lest it die that day or the next. An unsuccessful hunt weakens the animal, rendering it more vulnerable to other prey, inside or outside its own community. If you've ever felt low blood sugar, imagine having to hunt like that, knowing that if the sun sets the next day without success, you will be killed like the prey whose scent makes your salivary glands quiver in anticipation.

This doesn't take into account the kind of suffering that comes from infection, a simple sliver causing a staff infection that would swiftly wipe out the life of a child. It doesn't take into account the kind of suffering that comes from childbirth, the loss of blood and oxygen that naturally kills both mother and child because the birth canal is not naturally designed to reliably accommodate the size of the fetus' skull. It doesn't take into account the suffering that comes from imprisonment from humans, who are prone to paranoia and tribal thinking, the kind of thinking that identifies an enemy in seemingly irrational cues like race, religion, economic or social policy.

The overwhelmingly majority of conscious, sentient beings do not die peacefully in their beds, surrounded by loved ones, pampered and soothed in loving compassion. And this, according to you, is how your 'God' would intend it. This is the 'God' you worship. This is the 'God' you love and honor and hold in highest regard. This 'God' is disgusting. This 'God' is horrifying. This 'God' is capricious and sociopathic and would be judged to be villainous and unworthy of the tiniest piece of affection if he were any other character, one allowed to be judged fairly and intelligently. This is a 'God' who could have designed a morally positive creation, but instead opted for one that is inherently filled with fear and pain, and watches from afar without concern. Your 'God' is a character I would spit on if he were real and I had to the opportunity to do so.

The Real God, the God revealed in the Holy Bible however, is a loving, merciful God (1 John 4:8). The Real God created a world in Perfect Glory to reveal His Glory (Philippians 2:9-11). The Real God allows freedom of will so that people can choose to Glorify Him or not (Mark 8:34). The Real God sent His Only Begotten Son to pay the price of Sin so that after this world of suffering, the world poisoned by Sin, the genuine lover of the Real God will be rewarded for ever and ever (Romans 4:25). Amen.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

if some sort of drunk people want to write such thing as a "holy bible" then He won't do anything about it

Why not? Do you think God prefers us to be misled by drunk people over knowing the truth?

[Basilissa]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

In human time, yes, but God isn't human. God has no time to relate to.
We have our own morals to follow, He put them into us for a reason.

The problem with your reasoning is, that there is not such a thing like a single/universal morals set. Each culture is different. Even things that we think to be deeply ingrained in our human nature, actually aren't - even things like incest (especially between siblings) have been common at one point in time or another in different parts of the world.

When you think about morals that "God put in us to follow," you actually think about your own cultural values which you were socialized to treat as "natural.*" Newsflash, honey - they aren't, which is exactly why we need the Holy Bible to guide us.

You don't need a book to tell you what to do, especially when it says raping your daughter is perfectly fine (impregnating her or not, RAPE means you have sex with someone who doesn't want to, so you're raping her anyway).

Google "cultural relativism" when you have some time, honey.

Everything depends on context. For example: one group of Muslims beheads a single guy, and all Americans want to go and bomb the whole region. Another group of Muslims beheads eight people every month, and we think they are our best of friends and would never ever consider any type of military action against them.

Do you see the difference?
Do you see your own hypocrisy?

Following your morals, you know that it's wrong to kill people, it's wrong to rape someone and so many other things. You need no other rules but your good feelings to follow. I don't think it's cruel.

What about psychopaths/sociopaths? Why don't you ask one of them about their God-given morals, and what is a "good feeling to follow" for them!

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* This type of assumption is what ethographers call being extremely ethnocentric.

[Christie]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

Oh, so in your belief God is omnipotent, just kinda... slow: ca. 10 billions of years to create earth, another 4 billions of years to make Earth habitable for a human being, and another 5 millions of years to make the actual human being through series of trials, errors, and evolutionary dead ends.

In human time, yes, but God isn't human. God has no time to relate to.
We have our own morals to follow, He put them into us for a reason. You don't need a book to tell you what to do, especially when it says raping your daughter is perfectly fine (impregnating her or not, RAPE means you have sex with someone who doesn't want to, so you're raping her anyway).

Following your morals, you know that it's wrong to kill people, it's wrong to rape someone and so many other things. You need no other rules but your good feelings to follow. I don't think it's cruel.

[Witch Hammer]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

I believe in evolution. I also believe in the theories of the Universe being created by an explosion.

I don't think all these happened by themselves, though. I believe there is a spiritual force strong enough to do all these, and this is named 'God'. I believe that nothing happened against His will. He created everything as an explosion. He created people by evolution, through time, so we will be related with all this world has to offer.

You are a puppet dancing at the end of satan's string, witch! You only think that "common sense" or so-called "rational thought" is your motivational factor in rejecting the Infant Christ, when really it is the devil himself goading you away from The Light™ with his pitchfork! Stop living in ignorance and come join the worship!

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

I believe in evolution. I also believe in the theories of the Universe being created by an explosion.

I don't think all these happened by themselves, though. I believe there is a spiritual force strong enough to do all these, and this is named 'God'. I believe that nothing happened against His will. He created everything as an explosion. He created people by evolution, through time, so we will be related with all this world has to offer.

Have I got this right? You believe in some crazy heathen god who had the power to do anything, but instead of going down the smart, efficient route - like the one True God - instead actually CHOSE to take millions or billions or squillions or however many years your crazy sect thinks?

Think about it. Either your beliefs are not rational or your deity is insane.

Yours in Faith,
Joanna

[Basilissa]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

I believe in evolution. I also believe in the theories of the Universe being created by an explosion.

I don't think all these happened by themselves, though. I believe there is a spiritual force strong enough to do all these, and this is named 'God'. I believe that nothing happened against His will. He created everything as an explosion. He created people by evolution, through time, so we will be related with all this world has to offer.

Oh, so in your belief God is omnipotent, just kinda... slow: ca. 10 billions of years to create earth, another 4 billions of years to make Earth habitable for a human being, and another 5 millions of years to make the actual human being through series of trials, errors, and evolutionary dead ends.

Then, once the people are finally around, God doesn't care about them, doesn't give them any rules to be followed, just lets them kill and rape and exploit each other as they please.

Remind me again, why do you want to believe in and worship such a cruel God?

Repent before it's too late, sweetie!

[Christie]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

I believe in evolution. I also believe in the theories of the Universe being created by an explosion.

I don't think all these happened by themselves, though. I believe there is a spiritual force strong enough to do all these, and this is named 'God'. I believe that nothing happened against His will. He created everything as an explosion. He created people by evolution, through time, so we will be related with all this world has to offer.

[Basilissa]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

The thing you name "source of our knowledge about God" was written by ordinary people who thought their will is also God's. The only material evidence that proves God's existence is the universe He created. I don't need any book written by sick people with too much imagination.

So, how do you know that the world was created? Scientists (people who, like you, reject the Holy Bible) claim to have evidence that the world was born in an explosion, and that it has been expanding and changing (on its own, without Divibe intervention) ever since. (Something about helium burning up into other elements, I don't really pay much attention to that crap. Every time something doesn't add up in their calculations, they just add or substract some undetectable cold dark matter). The same scientists will tell you that they have evidence for evolution of species which occurred over millions of years, again without any Divine intervention.

What I'm trying to say is: if you reject the only source of our knowledge about God (the Holy Bible); and you also reject the only other alternative (science, evolution), then where the heck do you get your ideas from? Has it ever crossed your mind, that maybe you are wrong, and people who have actual evidence (that is, the Holy Bible) might be right?

I will keep praying for you. You do believe in God, and that is a good start.

[Christie]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

How do you know that, if you reject the only source of our knowledge about God?

The thing you name "source of our knowledge about God" was written by ordinary people who thought their will is also God's. The only material evidence that proves God's existence is the universe He created. I don't need any book written by sick people with too much imagination.

[Basilissa]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

Don't you get it? You need NO material evidence to feel there is a God out there. God itself isn't a material thing.

How do you know that, if you reject the only source of our knowledge about God?

I didn't say He doesn't care, I only said He gave us free will

How do you know that, if you reject the only source of our knowledge about God?

so if some sort of drunk people want to write such thing as a "holy bible" then He won't do anything about it. He is waiting for us to find a right way while respecting our MORALS.

How do you know that, if you reject the only source of our knowledge about God?

And if your morals guide you to impregnate your daughter then I'm sorry, but you have a serious mental illness.

No, we just follow the only source of God's will that exists on this earth:

[Christie]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

And how do you know what is God all about, if you have nothing to use as evidence? I mean, if you throw the Bible out of the window, what other source of knowledge do you have about God?



In other words: you think that God exists, but He doesn't care.

Following that "logic," if He doesn't care, then why do you care?



Why do you want to find your way to Him, if you think that He is some kind of a dick who doesn't give a s***t (your words, not mine) about anything?

Don't you get it? You need NO material evidence to feel there is a God out there. God itself isn't a material thing. I didn't say He doesn't care, I only said He gave us free will so if some sort of drunk people want to write such thing as a "holy bible" then He won't do anything about it. He is waiting for us to find a right way while respecting our MORALS. And if your morals guide you to impregnate your daughter then I'm sorry, but you have a serious mental illness.

[Basilissa]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

You know why I never read the Bible? 'Cause the Bible was written by HUMAN BEINGS who were selfish enough to assume that everything they do is also God's will. We have nothing left from GOD, nor from Jesus, who was a human form of God.

So... you think that all the research that was done on the synoptic gospels is just junk?

We only have the words of men who played God and thought that everything they do is a correct and is approved by God.
Religion should teach you that you have a soul to take care of, because that soul is a gift from God. Impregnating your daughter proves you have none. Stop following the "Holy book" because it's not as holy as you may think. God is not about a book some drunk people wrote hundreds of years ago.

And how do you know what is God all about, if you have nothing to use as evidence? I mean, if you throw the Bible out of the window, what other source of knowledge do you have about God?

There are SO many religions talking nonsenses about God and He did nothing to prevent this as well. I know a lot of atheists, and God did nothing to change the fact that they say shit about him.

In other words: you think that God exists, but He doesn't care.

Following that "logic," if He doesn't care, then why do you care?

I can write some scripts and create a new religion which will be one of the biggest religions of the world in a billion years and people will believe I was right, just because my scripts are so old that no one can actually know if I was right or not. And no one will prevent me from writing them. You don't have to believe in a book written by people to find your way to God, that's what I'm trying to say.

Why do you want to find your way to Him, if you think that He is some kind of a dick who doesn't give a s***t (your words, not mine) about anything?

Let me tell you: repent, sweetie, before it's too late!

I will pray for your soul!

[Christie]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

That would mean God is so powerful and so mighty that He can create an entire universe but at the same time He cannot prevent nonsense about Him

There are SO many religions talking nonsenses about God and He did nothing to prevent this as well. I know a lot of atheists, and God did nothing to change the fact that they say *** potty language *** about him.

I can write some scripts and create a new religion which will be one of the biggest religions of the world in a billion years and people will believe I was right, just because my scripts are so old that no one can actually know if I was right or not. And no one will prevent me from writing them. You don't have to believe in a book written by people to find your way to God, that's what I'm trying to say.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: Impregnating your own daughter is NOT rape! (Genesis 19:32-36)

God is not about a book some drunk people wrote hundreds of years ago.

I know this is going to hurt a bit, but I want you to try to switch your brain on for a second.

What you are saying is that God is real but that the Holy Bible is nonsense right?

That would mean God is so powerful and so mighty that He can create an entire universe but at the same time He cannot prevent nonsense about Him in a simple book, the Holy Bible? Does that make any sense? No it doesn't.

God exists, God created everything and God gave us clear guidelines with the most perfect book ever created: the Holy Bible. When you use your brain for a second you'll figure out this is way more logical.