[alex_phoebe]

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If God loved everybody there would be no evil, at least not in His eyes. Your God would love us; how come you don't?

maybe because of free will, God gave people free will to do as they chose, so i do believe that people in a way will chose to go to hell, but people have time to ask for forgiveness, i'm really playing devils advocate by the way here, because there are many things i'm skeptical about and this bit on evil in the world is one of them. I can't remember who said this, but a man years ago said that even if there was a true good god, he still doesn't want to worship or believe in him because no amount of explanation can justify the amount of evil that occurs in the world, and in a way i can certainly see where he's coming from.

But then again belief in God can be a very special thing, its a support network and its a very personal thing, that people hold dear to their hearts.

[RavingAndDull]

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So you believe something just because it's in a book; because Mr. Milgram the quack said it?

There are examples of this everywhere - you provided one, in fact. Nazism was an example on the grand scale.

And it seems that many people here believe things just because they are "in a book..."

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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In the beginning Adam and Eve were immortal;
Following The Fall, Adam and Eve were mortal and subject to the vicissitudes of the Earth and the punishments that God had in store for them.
Eve was told that her sorrows would multiply.
God entreats women not to dress strangely.
A Goth is dead.

Of those put forward their objections here by claiming they are Christians, are not Christians, they are of the Devil.
All things are done to God’s Plan.
We may not understand God’s Plan but that cannot make it wrong.
If we think we understand God’s Plan and we question it, we are criticizing God, and no Christian would do that; Christians believe the Bible unquestioningly.
Christians rejoice at Death, “In the sure and certain belief of the Resurrection to the Life hereafter.”
If you are not Christian, you will not see Heaven.

The above are tenets of Christianity as laid down in the Bible (KJV1611) and should be understood by all Christians.

Christianity is not a religion that can be taken up and laid aside according to the weather or the times. Christianity is not an “easy option” like being a non-conformist Goth, like all the other non-conformist Goths. Christianity makes demands, demands that may go against your own weak opinion but which, nevertheless, must be followed.

If there is one amongst the Goths out there who can truly say he or she is a Christian, let them post; I will be surprised if any poster could withstand an interview on his or her so called Christian beliefs.

[Ayrigo]

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I've made it clear that I'm done debating here. You criticize typos, but make them yourself - and I wish I could say that was the only contradiction you were guilty of.

And for being such a devout follower of the Lord, you have not convinced me of anything. Come on, you say I'm an idiot. That means I'd be perfect for joining your religion.

Amen to that!!!!

[Deaner]

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Look up the Milgram Experiment if this topic interests you further.

So you believe something just because it's in a book; because Mr. Milgram the quack said it?

[RavingAndDull]

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You just removed all doubt dear.

You are an idiot.

I've made it clear that I'm done debating here. You criticize typos, but make them yourself - and I wish I could say that was the only contradiction you were guilty of.

And for being such a devout follower of the Lord, you have not convinced me of anything. Come on, you say I'm an idiot. That means I'd be perfect for joining your religion.

[alex_phoebe]

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Care to support your affirmation that God loves everybody with scripture? Do you think Nancy would apologise for being a sinner and spitting on Baby Jesus' face with her lifestyle? It's nice to see how you get so upset about a single girl, but fail to see anything beyond that, or the purpose of what we write. I find you pathetic, actually. If you think we are being so unfair, you should be asking God to punish the killers. Your call for justice is extremely selfish, I reckon. Also, just show me exactly how are we departing from the Bible's teachings by what was posted here?

"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him" (John 4:7).

"You yourselves have been taught by God to love each other" (Thessalonians 4:9)

"These three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love. Follow the way of love" (Corinthians 3: 13-14)

Nancy was NOT a sinner, she was an innocent citizen that got violently murdered for absolutely NO valid reason! actually there is no reason to kill anyone, unless your talking about war, but thats different and complicated.

Right, i accept that you people may have your own views, but you have gone too far, when you start hurting thousands of other peoples feelings and start becoming offensive it goes too far.

I know my lifestyle and others that live it very well, we are good people, if we have to stand up for ourselves we will, we have ignored people that make fun of us and persecute us for ages now, and i means years and years. but now its coming to a point where people like yourselves keep pushing us too far into a corner and we need to defend ourselves, and we don't mean physically, it is just blatantly wrong that you think we can't live the lives we want to, because we are not hurting anyone, there is no reason why we can't live like this, you live your way and we live our way.

And saying things like "God doesn't love you because you are goths" is a false accusation

[Ayrigo]

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Raven while are u wasting ur time going back and forth with these closed minded idiots... Its completely evident that ur more intelligent.. Why lower urself to their standards?

[RavingAndDull]

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So the subcategory of nazis has no significance?

Your correct, it doesn't.

Nazism had nothing to do with IQ. Humans have an innate need to obey an official authority figure, regardless of what their own morality says - which is partially why religions work. Most people do not want to question authority. Look up the Milgram Experiment if this topic interests you further.

[Deaner]

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That human subcategorizing is naturally occuring and bears no significance.

So the subcategory of nazis has no significance?

[Wide-Open]

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MENCA worthy.

You just removed all doubt dear.

You are an idiot.

[RavingAndDull]

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What do the studies say about people who form obscure groups, dress alike and then act like they're victims of oppression instead of doing something about it?

That human subcategorizing is naturally occuring and bears no significance.

Also, they are doing something about it. The GLF is petitioning on this very matter right now, and the entire subculture is (surprisingly) unifying.

Oh, yes, because it takes such a big IQ to dress in black and paint your eyes, while you write sorrowful poetry about how the world doesn't care about you. Give me a break, you pathetic creature, why don't you crawl back to your hole? Or better yet, accept Jesus NOW (PayPal button at the end of the screen).

Yes, because telling people to accept Jesus on an internet forum is MENCA worthy.

Also, you make quite a few assumptions about who I am and what I do.

This satire is wearing thin. While comedy is all fun and games, you should remember the quote: "He wears a mask, and his face grows to fit it." I did not log on to have biblical debates - it is very easy to contradict religion, seeing as it does not obey logic or science. But I also know that there is a human being typing these replies, and they must know that satirizing a personal tragedy isn't admirable.

[Wide-Open]

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Don't you mean, "Have?"

Nope: had. As in: too late for you anyway.

But I see you are now into spelling wars, and just don't give a flying... thing about your little Nancy.

It's just ego, isn't it? It's about making a lot of noise on the innerwebs, and pretend to care about someone else.

I can't see compassion - read: Jesus - in your posts friend. It saddens me.

It's all about "YO DOODS LETS PRETEND WE ARE THE GOTH LIBERATION FRONT AND POUND THEIR ASSES DOOD".

Lame.

Very lame.

You are fake.

Don't ever think about lecturing us you little SHIT.

Now sue me (sew me ) for defemation.

[Deaner]

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I believe in my kind of God, although people like you and other evils in the world make it hard to believe in any god at all,

If God loved everybody there would be no evil, at least not in His eyes. Your God would love us; how come you don't?

[Dr. Santiago Solo]

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i think your the one that is idiotic, have you never heard of "omni-cent God (all knowing), omni-benevolent (all LOVING) omni-present (everywhere) omni-potent (all powerful)" I have qualifications both in Religious Studies and in Philosophy and Ethics, and i have part of a degree in Theology, so don't start saying i don't know what i'm on about because i do! And the reason you think god doesn't love everyone is because you don't worship our kind of god you worship a very evil god!

I believe in my kind of God, although people like you and other evils in the world make it hard to believe in any god at all, having said that, after reading all this on this forum, i want to show i'm a goth to people even more, because it make me even MORE PROUD of my lifestyle, and it also makes me want to pursue God again more, I shall be going to my Protestant church this sunday, and i shall also be speaking of what i have seen on these internet sites

Since you are so knowledgeable, care to give me the exact quote from the Bible (KJV) that states what you are saying? If God loves everyone, why are they Chosen® People and why did He create Hell?