[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: RAPE, Gods holy punishment for wickedness.

Rape is a weapon of Satan not God. If their are any people posting on this website who truly believe Jesus of Nazareth died for their sins, you should leave immediately as I am about to. Don't let these false prophets who wear the clothing of sheep but are really wolves brainwash you into believing their sick, twisted Word of God. They know what they are doing and don't let them drag you to Hell with them.

• 1Th:2:4: But as we were allowed of God to be put in trust with the gospel, even so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, which trieth our hearts

[YahwehtheTrueGod]

Re: RAPE, Gods holy punishment for wickedness.

Rape is a weapon of Satan not God. If their are any people posting on this website who truly believe Jesus of Nazareth died for their sins, you should leave immediately as I am about to. Don't let these false prophets who wear the clothing of sheep but are really wolves brainwash you into believing their sick, twisted Word of God. They know what they are doing and don't let them drag you to Hell with them.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: RAPE, Gods holy punishment for wickedness.

I understand that I cannot know God's plan, but can you?

I look at it this way – it happens; God has a Plan; it must be in His Plan.

How can you state that God uses rape exclusively to punish the wicked?

Because, my friend the Bible says He does! Are you so ignorant that you do not know
Nu:31:17: Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
Nu:31:18: But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
And we all know what soldier so to young ladies!

What of children?

Yes, Indeed, what of the children? (Note the verse above refers to "women children") Let me see what the Bible has to say on the question of children: It’s rather long, but you would do well to look it up yourself. J'g:11:31 to 40. God was quite happy for a child sacrifice.

I've heard too many times of the rape of children these days. The bible reads:
"And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

You conflate 2 things here, first, the rape of children and second that an innocent accepting mind is required to accept Salvation – which is true. Neither you nor I can see a connection.

If you wish to see how God destroys His enemies and children, then look to the above referenced Numbers 31. My mind is that death is a worse punishment than rape.

But look upon it this way: can you imagine the anguish of the parents of a raped child? Think about it… Is God saying that by the horrors of rape inflicted on a child that this also punishment upon the parents? Why else would this happen? Why else would God do it?

"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea."

Yet it happens and it happens in God’s sight. God is responsible also for evil. Thus it must be His Plan – the rapist might (or might not) be punished in the hereafter.

Rapists are not guided by the hand of God, but by Satan.

Just remind me, Who is more Powerful God or Satan? Just remind me, who created Satan? Why should God do that? He does that to punish the wicked!

Furthermore, the bible (which I may remind you is the word of God) states that rape is a crime punishable by death:

"But if the man finds the damsel that is betrothed in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her, and they be found; then the man only that lay with her shall die: but unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing."

This is the punishment regarding betrothed females outside city bounds. It is worth recording what happens inside city bounds:
De:22:23: If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
De:22:24: Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
I think I referred to this earlier.

There is, of course, the other option where the rapist pays 50 shekels and takes her as a wife:
De:22:28: If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
De:22:29: Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

The essence is that women should scream and shout, that the single woman is the property of her father and that a betrothed woman has already been paid for, or at least, payment is expected.

And this seems fair and just and Godly.

[The_Liar]

Re: RAPE, Gods holy punishment for wickedness.

I think you’re missing a point here. Who is The Author of our fate? God.

From whom does the disease, crime, tsunamis, earthquakes, tornados, forest fires, emanate? God.

Does all evil stem from God as punishment for the wicked?

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Yes.

Is rape evil? He who causes it thinks not, it is part of His plan.

Is rape therefore a punishment from God? Yes.

Why would God do such a thing? Who are we to question His Ways?

So, having read the Christian belief in an Almighty and All-Powerful God, are you for or against God?

Son, trust in The Lord, He knows best, you are but a feeble mortal.

I understand that I cannot know God's plan, but can you? How can you state that God uses rape exclusively to punish the wicked? What of children? I've heard too many times of the rape of children these days. The bible reads:
"And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."

"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea."

There are many passages about the innocence of children in King James' Bible. Jesus even says that in order to get into heaven, one must be as a child, without sin. Now if only the wicked are raped, how is it that small children can suffer that fate as well? It happens every day.
Rapists are not guided by the hand of God, but by Satan.

Furthermore, the bible (which I may remind you is the word of God) states that rape is a crime punishable by death:

"But if the man finds the damsel that is betrothed in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her, and they be found; then the man only that lay with her shall die: but unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing."

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Re: RAPE, Gods holy punishment for wickedness.

[…]I submit that rape (forced sexual acts on an unwilling person) is an act of violence and brutality, and that it is one of the most heinous acts a man can do, and as such only evil men do it. There are no lies in this. Rape is a disgusting thing. Disgusting men perform it.

I think you’re missing a point here. Who is The Author of our fate? God.

From whom does the disease, crime, tsunamis, earthquakes, tornados, forest fires, emanate? God.

Does all evil stem from God as punishment for the wicked?

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Yes.

Is rape evil? He who causes it thinks not, it is part of His plan.

Is rape therefore a punishment from God? Yes.

Why would God do such a thing? Who are we to question His Ways?

So, having read the Christian belief in an Almighty and All-Powerful God, are you for or against God?

Son, trust in The Lord, He knows best, you are but a feeble mortal.

[The_Liar]

Re: RAPE, Gods holy punishment for wickedness.

Son, you aren't even old enough to know what rape means, much less be a member of the U.S. Military. Don't come in here spouting off these lies just to make your point.

In fact it is a federal offense to claim to be in the Military when you aren't. I believe I'll be forwarding your post along to the DOF. Expect a knock on your door when you least expect it.

Pastor, I enlisted and attended boot camp between my junior and senior years. This is allowed with parental consent, as any quick internet search will prove. I am a member of the U.S. military. As for changing my name from "The_People," to "The_Liar?" Silliness.
I'm offering valid arguments in the interest of providing a counter-point for you people to consider. I've told no lies here, I speak nothing but facts and my interpretation of them.
I submit that rape (forced sexual acts on an unwilling person) is an act of violence and brutality, and that it is one of the most heinous acts a man can do, and as such only evil men do it. There are no lies in this. Rape is a disgusting thing. Disgusting men perform it.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: RAPE, Gods holy punishment for wickedness.

I am a Christian man living in the heart of America. I do not steal, I do not kill, I honor my father, I generally live a good life. I am an American Soldier, and I'm proud to say that. I will follow the orders of my Commander-in-Chief until the day I die, and I hope strongly that that man is a strong-minded Republican. In many ways, I'm your average American citizen. I uphold the law, and I thank God before each meal.

And what you're saying makes me sick with rage. Rape is an act performed by sick, degenerate people. Lawless hooligans, evil people. These are not men guided by the Lord God, and he will shun them for their disgusting sins until the day they repent and change their ways.
Rape is not an act of desire, it is a brutal act of control and violence. I know of a girl who suffered rape at the hands of her father before she had even lost all her baby teeth. Who is more without sin than a young child? She was an innocent girl who suffered at the hands of a twisted, disgusting man. No good came of what happened to her.

Rape is not targeted towards the wicked. For every example you can find of a wicked person suffering rape, I can find two examples of an innocent suffering it.

Son, you aren't even old enough to know what rape means, much less be a member of the U.S. Military. Don't come in here spouting off these lies just to make your point.

In fact it is a federal offense to claim to be in the Military when you aren't. I believe I'll be forwarding your post along to the DOF. Expect a knock on your door when you least expect it.

[The_Liar]

Re: RAPE, Gods holy punishment for wickedness.

I am a Christian man living in the heart of America. I do not steal, I do not kill, I honor my father, I generally live a good life. I am an American Soldier, and I'm proud to say that. I will follow the orders of my Commander-in-Chief until the day I die, and I hope strongly that that man is a strong-minded Republican. In many ways, I'm your average American citizen. I uphold the law, and I thank God before each meal.

And what you're saying makes me sick with rage. Rape is an act performed by sick, degenerate people. Lawless hooligans, evil people. These are not men guided by the Lord God, and he will shun them for their disgusting sins until the day they repent and change their ways.
Rape is not an act of desire, it is a brutal act of control and violence. I know of a girl who suffered rape at the hands of her father before she had even lost all her baby teeth. Who is more without sin than a young child? She was an innocent girl who suffered at the hands of a twisted, disgusting man. No good came of what happened to her.

Rape is not targeted towards the wicked. For every example you can find of a wicked person suffering rape, I can find two examples of an innocent suffering it.

[Melbran]

Re: RAPE, Gods holy punishment for wickedness.

No one has said that rape is a good thing, you ignorant slut. Read the thread and study the scriptures before spouting off next time.

Now go bake me a pie!

What, you don't have a wife-slave to bake you a pie? No surprise since you fancy men. And I only bake pies for my own husband, thank you.

[Lithium]

Re: RAPE, Gods holy punishment for wickedness.

Friend, as you may remember from your cathlyck lessons, the LORD works in mysterious ways. That's just how it is. Sometimes it looks like He's choosing people at random - like this woman - but He wouldn't be the Lord if He didn't know what He's doing. Clearly, this woman thought she was saved, but she surely was no member of our congregation, and thus, attending the Wrong Church™. What's also a possibility is that He was having a little tug war with Satan again, and was testing her faith. You do remember what happened to Job right?

Maybe there is a better aftercare for raped harlots because of this incident, but, they still get raped, no? He didn't stop that - although He has the power to do that. Which brings us back to the first post of this thread. He condones rape, it's all in the Bible. If you don't agree with that, you'll have to take it up with Him.

And what are you doing posting in the Men's Only section?

Finaly an answer I can agree with, that He does act in mysterious ways.

I can't recal the story of Job I would have to read that one.

And I'm posting here because I have an opinion about some things and I like to tell how I think about it then
Since I don't share your way of life and I'm not a woman who will hold herself back just because a man tells me to I have lack to "men's only"
When you don't want woman to read/post here than make sure we don't get in this part of the forum
Since a forum is a discussionboard I do what it's meant for, discuss things written in it

[Wide-Open]

Re: RAPE, Gods holy punishment for wickedness.

and all I want to know is why let it happen to her when she is a good christian, when rape is supposed to be a "holy punishment"
when it was meant to let her do the things she did it would not be correct to make sure rape victims are helped a lot better because it is Gods plan to punish woman ?

Friend, as you may remember from your cathlyck lessons, the LORD works in mysterious ways. That's just how it is. Sometimes it looks like He's choosing people at random - like this woman - but He wouldn't be the Lord if He didn't know what He's doing. Clearly, this woman thought she was saved, but she surely was no member of our congregation, and thus, attending the Wrong Church™. What's also a possibility is that He was having a little tug war with Satan again, and was testing her faith. You do remember what happened to Job right?

Maybe there is a better aftercare for raped harlots because of this incident, but, they still get raped, no? He didn't stop that - although He has the power to do that. Which brings us back to the first post of this thread. He condones rape, it's all in the Bible. If you don't agree with that, you'll have to take it up with Him.

And what are you doing posting in the Men's Only section?

[Lithium]

Re: RAPE, Gods holy punishment for wickedness.

The woman was very shy and not comfortable in presence of other people so I don't think she asked for it
I did not see the whole movie, because of bad quality all I know is that she was listening to gospels in the kitchen, and doing houshold and the guy comes in and dragges her out
She improved the follow up for rape-victims or something like that

and all I want to know is why let it happen to her when she is a good christian, when rape is supposed to be a "holy punishment"
when it was meant to let her do the things she did it would not be correct to make sure rape victims are helped a lot better because it is Gods plan to punish woman ?

[Ebenezer Wright]

Re: RAPE, Gods holy punishment for wickedness.

the woman dresses properly, and comforts her husband like she should in your opinion
But she gets dragged out of her house and gets raped
When she is a good woman why would God want to punish her ? So your statement isn't quiet correct then right ?

From what the housemaid tells me, her rape was the Lord's plan to get her to go do something with her life. Didn't she end up going to Congress or something?

Dumb film.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: RAPE, Gods holy punishment for wickedness.

I'm going to ask something
The other day I watched a movie called "A life interrupted" a true story that happend several years ago
Maybe you know this one or not but anyway
The couple are Baptists go to church every sunday, the woman dresses properly, and comforts her husband like she should in your opinion
But she gets dragged out of her house and gets raped
When she is a good woman why would God want to punish her ? So your statement isn't quiet correct then right ?

Who are you to question God's ways?

[Bill Poole]

Re: RAPE, Gods holy punishment for wickedness.

The unGodly whore was obviously asking for it, or God would have intervened. The tempting strumpet was probably fluttering her eyelashes between the pages of her Satanic NIV, brazenly singing her hymns in a coquettish fashion. Who is she to blame a man for acting on her whims?