[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Further Evidence That Video Games Are SATANIC!

you are completely retarded lol
btw I didnt mean a 10 year old
the primary game market is people in their 30's
I honestly can be someone can be this ignorant
btw sex is natural and it would be how we continue our existence if god did want it to be

Yes the game market PURCHASERS are the parents in their 30's and up. They also usually purchase them so they don't have to interact with their children.

Yes you have proven you are ignorant. At least you finally admit it.

I never said anywhere on that thread that sex was not natural. Again, if you can site scripture showing that anything I posted on that thread is incorrect, then do so. Basically, put up or shut up.

One last thing, I have not called you names, alluded that you are retarded just because your views differ to mine. It is more than apparent you cannot keep a discussion on an adult level. Why do you have to be so rude to me?

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[terryanderson]

Re: Further Evidence That Video Games Are SATANIC!

Obviously you don't have children nor have worked with children. You expect a child to know its own psyche at the age of 10 or even 15?



Did you read it or are you just presuming the worst? There is scripture to back up each and every one of my points. If you have issue with it, please feel free to respond to that thread, pointing out contrary scripture.

Oh and no... 30 years of Bible study, coupled with several years at Theology College makes me a dolt when it comes to the Bible.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

you are completely retarded lol
btw I didnt mean a 10 year old
the primary game market is people in their 30's
I honestly can be someone can be this ignorant
btw sex is natural and it would be how we continue our existence if god did want it to be

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Further Evidence That Video Games Are SATANIC!

I agree that all of those things are bad but there shouldnt be a risk
people should know how their own psyches work
if not your just being ignorent
and I read it
I just think its ridiculous

Obviously you don't have children nor have worked with children. You expect a child to know its own psyche at the age of 10 or even 15?

btw that "jacking off for jesus" thing...wow
you dont understand anything about the bible do you?

Did you read it or are you just presuming the worst? There is scripture to back up each and every one of my points. If you have issue with it, please feel free to respond to that thread, pointing out contrary scripture.

Oh and no... 30 years of Bible study, coupled with several years at Theology College makes me a dolt when it comes to the Bible.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[terryanderson]

Re: Further Evidence That Video Games Are SATANIC!

The fact of the matter is it is not known if someone will become addicted to them unless they play them. Why put ANYONE at that risk?

For the record too, I also think things like cigarettes, alcohol and other assorted drugs should also be eradicated, so my judgement call on this is not just a bias against these games.

Addictions are evil and a form of sin as the verses below quite clearly show.
It's the weakness. People become slaves to their desires. It is self abuse.

"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey,
his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death,
or of obedience unto righteousness?"
Romans 6:16


"Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him,
that the body of sin might be destroyed,
that henceforth we should not serve sin."
Romans 6:6-7


"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him,
If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
They answered him, we be Abraham's seed,
and were never in bondage to any man:
how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."
John 8:31-34


"And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee:
for my strength is made perfect in weakness.
Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities,
that the power of Christ may rest upon me."
2 Corinthians 12:9


"If the Son therefore shall make you free,
ye shall be free indeed."
John 8:36


"For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not;
but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not,
I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it,
but sin that dwelleth in me.For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,)
dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me;
but how to perform that which is good I find not.
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me."
Romans 7:14-21


"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters,
nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners,
shall inherit the kingdom of God."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10


"Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats:
but God shall destroy both it and them.
Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord;
and the Lord for the body. And God hath both raised up the Lord,
and will also raise up us by his own power.
Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ?
shall I then take the members of Christ,
and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid."
1 Corinthians 6:13-15


"Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit
do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."
Romans 8:12-13


"Stand fast therefore in the liberty
wherewith Christ hath made us free,
and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage."
Galatians 5:1


"Therefore if any man be in Christ,
he is a new creature: old things are passed away;
behold, all things are become new."
2 Corinthians 5:17



Did you actually read and absorb what Grace Shin's paper stated? Did nothing of that sink in?

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

I agree that all of those things are bad but there shouldnt be a risk
people should know how their own psyches work
if not your just being ignorent
and I read it
I just think its ridiculous

btw that "jacking off for jesus" thing...wow
you dont understand anything about the bible do you?

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Further Evidence That Video Games Are SATANIC!

I completely agree that they can be addictive
I never said they werent
but the fact that they can be addictive to some does not make them evil
I also feel that someone with an addictive personality shouldnt play them because they dont have the will power to stop
which I personally think is very sad

The fact of the matter is it is not known if someone will become addicted to them unless they play them. Why put ANYONE at that risk?

For the record too, I also think things like cigarettes, alcohol and other assorted drugs should also be eradicated, so my judgement call on this is not just a bias against these games.

Addictions are evil and a form of sin as the verses below quite clearly show.
It's the weakness. People become slaves to their desires. It is self abuse.

"Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey,
his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death,
or of obedience unto righteousness?"
Romans 6:16


"Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him,
that the body of sin might be destroyed,
that henceforth we should not serve sin."
Romans 6:6-7


"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him,
If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
They answered him, we be Abraham's seed,
and were never in bondage to any man:
how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin."
John 8:31-34


"And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee:
for my strength is made perfect in weakness.
Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities,
that the power of Christ may rest upon me."
2 Corinthians 12:9


"If the Son therefore shall make you free,
ye shall be free indeed."
John 8:36


"For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not;
but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not,
I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it,
but sin that dwelleth in me.For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,)
dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me;
but how to perform that which is good I find not.
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me."
Romans 7:14-21


"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters,
nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners,
shall inherit the kingdom of God."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10


"Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats:
but God shall destroy both it and them.
Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord;
and the Lord for the body. And God hath both raised up the Lord,
and will also raise up us by his own power.
Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ?
shall I then take the members of Christ,
and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid."
1 Corinthians 6:13-15


"Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit
do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live."
Romans 8:12-13


"Stand fast therefore in the liberty
wherewith Christ hath made us free,
and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage."
Galatians 5:1


"Therefore if any man be in Christ,
he is a new creature: old things are passed away;
behold, all things are become new."
2 Corinthians 5:17



Did you actually read and absorb what Grace Shin's paper stated? Did nothing of that sink in?

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt.

[terryanderson]

Re: Further Evidence That Video Games Are SATANIC!

I notice Mr Anderson that you completely ignored the very real danger of addiction I mentioned.

As to violent behaviour induced by video gaming, I will quote from an article I will provide the link to below.



Video Games responsible for aggressive behaviour

Here too are the references for the paper itself.

References
1) BBC News Web site in UK.

2) Game Research Website, covering the art, the business, and the science of computer games.

3) American Psychological Association, Article on the main study discussed in this paper.

4) Mental Help Net, Psychological Self-Help. This site has a lot of interesting links to mental illnesses and just understanding personalities.

5) Calvert, Sandra L., & Tan, Siu-Lan. (1994). Impact of virtual reality on young adults' physiological arousal and aggressive thoughts: Interaction versus observation. Journal of Applied Developmental Psychology, 15(1), 125-139. PS 527 971.

6) Irwin, A. Roland, & Gross, Alan M. (1995). Cognitive tempo, violent video games, and aggressive behavior in young boys. Journal of Family Violence, 10(3), 337-350.

7) Kirsh, Steven J. (1997, April). Seeing the world through "Mortal Kombat" colored glasses: Violent video games and hostile attribution bias. Poster presented at the biennial meeting of the Society for Research in Child Development, Washington, DC.

8) SelfhelpMagazine. Article under teen help. It is a great library of various mental disorders and personal growth topics!

9) American Psychological Association.

10) Internet Impact This paper is a collaborative essay consisting of research and policy recommendations on the impact of the Internet in society.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt

I completely agree that they can be addictive
I never said they werent
but the fact that they can be addictive to some does not make them evil
I also feel that someone with an addictive personality shouldnt play them because they dont have the will power to stop
which I personally think is very sad

[terryanderson]

Re: Further Evidence That Video Games Are SATANIC!

There is a difference between performing a violent act because it is necessary and God has commanded it, and simulating violence in a game because it thrills you to the bone. The former is being a good Christian; the latter is being a lover of violence and evil!

there is not a difference
violence is violence
you go agaisnt the lord for beating them
you are an unsaved soul and are going to burn for what youve done

[Phebe Carlyle]

Re: Further Evidence That Video Games Are SATANIC!

I notice Mr Anderson that you completely ignored the very real danger of addiction I mentioned.

As to violent behaviour induced by video gaming, I will quote from an article I will provide the link to below.

Everyone deals with stress and frustrations differently. However when action is taken upon the frustration and stress, and the action is taken out in anger and aggression, the results may be very harmful to both the aggressor and the person being aggressed against, mentally, emotionally, and even physically. Aggression is action, i.e. attacking someone or a group with an intent to harm someone. It can be a verbal attack--insults, threats, sarcasm, or attributing nasty motives to them--or a physical punishment or restriction. Direct behavioral signs include being overly critical, fault finding, name-calling, accusing someone of having immoral or despicable traits or motives, nagging, whining, sarcasm, prejudice, and/or flashes of temper. (4) The crime and abuse rate in the United States has soared in the past decade. More and more children suffer from and are being treated for anger management than ever before. Now, one can't help but to wonder if these violent video games are even playing a slight part in the current statistics. I believe they do.

Calvert and Tan (5) compared the effects of playing versus observing violent video games on young adults' arousal levels, hostile feelings, and aggressive thoughts. Results indicated that college students who had played a violent virtual reality game had a higher heart rate, reported more dizziness and nausea, and exhibited more aggressive thoughts in a posttest than those who had played a nonviolent game do. A study by Irwin and Gross (6) sought to identify effects of playing an "aggressive" versus "nonaggressive" video game on second-grade boys identified as impulsive or reflective. Boys who had played the aggressive game, compared to those who had played the nonaggressive game, displayed more verbal and physical aggression to inanimate objects and playmates during a subsequent free play session. Moreover, these differences were not related to the boys' impulsive or reflective traits. Thirdly, Kirsh (7) also investigated the effects of playing a violent versus a nonviolent video game. After playing these games, third- and fourth-graders were asked questions about a hypothetical story. On three of six questions, the children who had played the violent game responded more negatively about the harmful actions of a story character than did the other children. These results suggest that playing violent video games may make children more likely to attribute hostile intentions to others.

In another study by Karen E. Dill, Ph.D. & Craig A. Anderson, Ph.D., violent video games were considered to be more harmful in increasing aggression than violent movies or television shows due to their interactive and engrossing nature. (8) The two studies showed that aggressive young men were especially vulnerable to violent games and that even brief exposure to violent games can temporarily increase aggressive behavior in all types of participants.
The first study was conducted with 227 college students with aggressive behavior records in the past and who completed a measure of trait aggressiveness. They were also reported to have habits of playing video games. It was found that students, who reported playing more violent video games in junior and high school, engaged in more aggressive behavior. In addition, the time spent playing video games in the past were associated with lower academic grades in college, which is a source of frustration for many students, a potential cause for anger and aggression as discussed in the previous paragraph.

In the second study, 210 college students were allowed to play Wolfenstein 3D, an extremely violent game, or Myst, a nonviolent game. After a short time, it was found that the students who played the violent game punished an opponent for a longer period of time compared to the students who played the non violent game. Dr. Anderson concluded by saying, "Violent video games provide a forum for learning and practicing aggressive solutions to conflict situations. It the short run, playing a violent video game appears to affect aggression by priming aggressive thoughts." Despite the fact that this study was for a short term effect, longer term effects are likely to be possible as the player learns and practices new aggression-related scripts that can become more and more accessible for the real-life conflict that may arise. (9)

The U.S. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop once claimed that arcade and home video games are among the top three causes of family. Although there have been studies that have found video game violence to have little negative effects on their players, there are also many studies that have found a positive correlation between negative behavior, such as aggression, and video and computer game violence. Thus, in order to totally assess the effects of game violence on its users, the limiting conditions under which there are effects must be taken into account, which include age, gender, and class/level of education. (10) However, violent games do affect children, as the studies show, especially early teens, and I feel that there needs to be a stricter regulation regarding the availability of these games to young children.

Video Games responsible for aggressive behaviour

Here too are the references for the paper itself.

References
1) BBC News Web site in UK.

2) Game Research Website, covering the art, the business, and the science of computer games.

3) American Psychological Association, Article on the main study discussed in this paper.

4) Mental Help Net, Psychological Self-Help. This site has a lot of interesting links to mental illnesses and just understanding personalities.

5) Calvert, Sandra L., & Tan, Siu-Lan. (1994). Impact of virtual reality on young adults' physiological arousal and aggressive thoughts: Interaction versus observation. Journal of Applied Developmental Psychology, 15(1), 125-139. PS 527 971.

6) Irwin, A. Roland, & Gross, Alan M. (1995). Cognitive tempo, violent video games, and aggressive behavior in young boys. Journal of Family Violence, 10(3), 337-350.

7) Kirsh, Steven J. (1997, April). Seeing the world through "Mortal Kombat" colored glasses: Violent video games and hostile attribution bias. Poster presented at the biennial meeting of the Society for Research in Child Development, Washington, DC.

8) SelfhelpMagazine. Article under teen help. It is a great library of various mental disorders and personal growth topics!

9) American Psychological Association.

10) Internet Impact This paper is a collaborative essay consisting of research and policy recommendations on the impact of the Internet in society.

YIC

Mrs Phebe Dewitt

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: Further Evidence That Video Games Are SATANIC!

hahaha you miss interpret the bible yet again
if the lord hate violence then why do you let your fellow Christian beat gays?
and did you not know the lord is a vengeful and violent god? dont speak unless you know what your talking about my friend.

There is a difference between performing a violent act because it is necessary and God has commanded it, and simulating violence in a game because it thrills you to the bone. The former is being a good Christian; the latter is being a lover of violence and evil!

[terryanderson]

Re: Further Evidence That Video Games Are SATANIC!

Are youi gonna keep lettin them prostate demons force you to post false info?

We know that the Lord don't like no video games because he said so!!

Psalm
11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

People that play video games love violence and are Satan's helpers.

hahaha you miss interpret the bible yet again
if the lord hate violence then why do you let your fellow Christian beat gays?
and did you not know the lord is a vengeful and violent god? dont speak unless you know what your talking about my friend.

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Further Evidence That Video Games Are SATANIC!

True-Christians do not play video games because they are evil!

You are denying the Holy Spirit with your false information and demon possessed prostate.

Psalm
101:3 I will set nothing wicked before my eyes;I hate the work of those who fall away; It shall not cling to me.

There it is! It is in the bible, and that means the Lord said it, and that settles it!

[Rev. Edward Clement]

Re: Further Evidence That Video Games Are SATANIC!

are you going to say something to prove me wrong or are you going to keep mocking me and further proving the point that you have no argument and are completely wrong?

Are youi gonna keep lettin them prostate demons force you to post false info?

We know that the Lord don't like no video games because he said so!!

Psalm
11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

People that play video games love violence and are Satan's helpers.

[terryanderson]

Re: Further Evidence That Video Games Are SATANIC!

I quoted one of the articles YOU posted. http://www.pbs.org/kcts/videogamerev...act/myths.html That's calling you names and making false statements?

Did you even READ your own articles?

If you expect us to respond to you, write intelligently. If you can't be bothered to write intelligently and ask coherent questions, we will ignore you.

You are an uninvited guest on this forum. You are not welcome. The very least you can do is behave as an adult.

You are being tolerated as long as we believe there is a possibility you can learn something about Jesus.

Somehow, I doubt you will be tolerated long.

I read the article but you see that the argument is general and doesnt apply to everyone who plays the games as being aggressive.
and dont tell me I dont know anything about jesus. its clear that none of you do because of your clear display of ignorance and hate.
learn to argue so you can prove to me that I am wrong instead of beating around the bush.
your unwillingness to listen and argue correctly shows that your faith is shaky

[terryanderson]

Re: Further Evidence That Video Games Are SATANIC!

See that?! Its them prostate demons talkin again!!!

are you going to say something to prove me wrong or are you going to keep mocking me and further proving the point that you have no argument and are completely wrong?

[Rev. M. Rodimer]

Re: Further Evidence That Video Games Are SATANIC!

hahahaha okay
fare enough I dont use punctuation when im typing to people I dont care about
but I have to acknowledge that you are ignoring my argument and saying false statements. your hiding from what ive said because your afraid you are wrong
stop being a coward and actually try to prove me wrong instead of calling me harsh names
give me real facts
I challenge you.

I quoted one of the articles YOU posted. http://www.pbs.org/kcts/videogamerev...act/myths.html That's calling you names and making false statements?

Did you even READ your own articles?

If you expect us to respond to you, write intelligently. If you can't be bothered to write intelligently and ask coherent questions, we will ignore you.

You are an uninvited guest on this forum. You are not welcome. The very least you can do is behave as an adult.

You are being tolerated as long as we believe there is a possibility you can learn something about Jesus.

Somehow, I doubt you will be tolerated long.