[Basilissa]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

And you should let grow some hair , otherwise you risk skin cancer.

Do you know what God does to those who mock bold people?

2 Kings 2:23-24
23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

[Angelo]

Re: Hello from brazil, the smelliest country in Lower Mexico

Can I ask about you view on so called natural selection? It may be plausible to a point but it hasn't been proven to be a driving force that can create new complex organisms or creatures. Tests and studies done indicate a fittest loss and deterioration overall over time so there is no real benefit in the long run. It is not just about natural selection but also beneficial mutations and they are very rare. Most mutations are neutral and there may be many that are harmful. Studies may indicate more slightly deleterious mutations that they thought. Certainly to so that all the amazing complexity and variety came from something that is mostly harmful/neutral and a copying mistake of something that was already good is yet to be proved and hard to believe.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...22283604007624

http://bio-complexity.org/ojs/index.php/main/article/view/BIO-C.2010.4

http://bio-complexity.org/ojs/index.php/main/article/view/BIO-C.2014.4

http://bio-complexity.org/ojs/index.php/main/article/view/BIO-C.2012.4

ThinksDeign

The development of new functions is the only thing important for evolution. We are not talking about small functional changes, but radical ones. Some organism had to learn how to convert sugars to energy. Another had to learn how to take sunlight and turn it into sugars. Another had to learn how to take light and turn it into an interpretable image in the brain. These are not simple things, but amazing processes that involve multiple steps, and functions that involve circular and/or ultra-complex pathways will be selected away before they have a chance to develop into a working system. For example, DNA with no function is ripe for deletion, and making proteins/enzymes that have no use until a complete pathway or nano-machine is available is a waste of precious cellular resources.

For evolution to work, they have to come up from scratch, they have to be carefully balanced and regulated with respect to other processes, and they have to work before they will be kept. Saying a gene can be copied and then used to prototype a new function is not what evolution requires, for this cannot account for radically new functionality. Thus, gene duplication cannot answer the most fundamental questions about evolutionary history. Likewise, none of the common modes of mutation (random letter changes, inversions, deletions, etc.) have the ability to do what evolution requires.

When discussing whether or not mutations can create new information, evolutionists routinely bring up an overly-simplistic view of mutation and then claim to have solved the problem while waving their hand over the real issue: the antagonism between ultra-complexity and random mutation.

If a four-dimensional genome is hard enough to grasp, there is also a huge amount of ‘meta-information’ in the genome. This is information about the information! This is the information that tells the cell how to maintain the information, how to fix it if it breaks, how to copy it, how to interpret what is there, how to use it, when to use it, and how to pass it on to the next generation. This is all coded in that linear string of letters and life could not exist without it. In fact, life was designed from a top-down perspective, apparently with the meta-information coming first.

protein folds in general are multi-mutation features, requiring many amino acids to be fixed before the assembly provides any functional advantage.

Another study by Axe and Ann Gauger found that merely converting one enzyme into a closely related enzyme -- the kind of conversion that evolutionists claim can easily happen -- would require a minimum of seven simultaneous changes,6exceeding the probabilistic resources available for evolution over the Earth's history. This data implies that many biochemical features are so complex that they would require many mutations before providing any advantage to an organism, and would thus be beyond the "edge" of what Darwinian evolution can do.

[Thinks Design]

Re: Hello from brazil, the smelliest country in Lower Mexico

hi ThinkDesign

i am certainly not unversed in regard of the evidence that points to our powerful creator as the best explanation for our existence. Specially when i look into molecular biology, i see DESIGN...

have you ever studied DNA replication, and the proteins and enzymes required to make it go ?

A bit, but only what I have learnt from the internet. What makes me laugh is how evolutionists used to say that most of our genomes was junk DNA. This was to highlight that design was mostly simple and therefore can be explained through a chance and random process that comes mostly from an error in the copying of what is already working to make better and more complex life. But now scientists are finding a lot more function in the so called junk DNA and many evolutionists have resisted the evidence along the way. This is the same more many aspects of life and slowly but surely we are beginning to see the great complexity yet orchestrated design in things from even simple organisms to the finely tuned universe that is designed for life.

Natural selection does and can work with intelligent design. Its the capacity that its given that is in dispute. Creatures have the ability to adapt and change to conditions they encounter in their environments. But those changes come mostly if not completely from a genetic ability that is already there. This is where the so called junk DNA may come in. Maybe there is a lot more capacity for creatures to draw on their existing genetics to change and switch on and off genes or recombine their existing genetics to bring about those changes. But those creature primarily remain as they are but have a great capacity for variation. They dont turn into other creatures and all living things didn't come from a common ancestor.

In fact evidence shows that there were many lines for where all creatures come from and that the genetic capacity was there from a very early point in the scheme of things. Too early for that complexity to have evolved from a gradual process that has very rare beneficial mutation for the amount that would be needed to just make small changes where several mutational changes are needed at the same time.

ThinksDesign

[Angelo]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

Friend, I would appreciate it if you would stop with your PMs requesting perverted liaisons. I do not perform the 'cybersex' as you said.
I only sleep with my wife, Mrs. Hutchins (once every ten months to enable her to carry a child for God) and with the Love of Jesus every night.
I am not surprised you know the Devil so intimately. But buddies, I imagine.

James

i dare you , please post the p.m. i supposedly sent to you, in order for anyone to see.
As your <<<potty mouth>>> prove, you are <<<potty mouth>>>, you are a <<<potty mouth>>> and learned from you father. Convert, before its too late. God loves you.
But only without your aweful beard. And you should let grow some hair , otherwise you risk skin cancer.

[Basilissa]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

Mary

since you are so keen that the bible must be interpreted literally. Mind to answer my question ? Do you use a towel on your head when you go to church ? Or a hut ?

Dear, this is what a hut looks like:


I took this picture at 4000 m.a.s.l. in South America.

I don't think that this is something that Sister Mary would like to or even could wear on her head.

The word you were looking for is a "hat."

[Thinks Design]

Re: Hello from brazil, the smelliest country in Lower Mexico

hello ThinkDesign

i like your nickname. Nice to meet u. I am a expert in intelligent design, and have a virtual library, that goes from cosmology, origin of life, theory of evolution, to intelligent design, and molecular biology.

Can I ask about you view on so called natural selection? It may be plausible to a point but it hasn't been proven to be a driving force that can create new complex organisms or creatures. Tests and studies done indicate a fittest loss and deterioration overall over time so there is no real benefit in the long run. It is not just about natural selection but also beneficial mutations and they are very rare. Most mutations are neutral and there may be many that are harmful. Studies may indicate more slightly deleterious mutations that they thought. Certainly to so that all the amazing complexity and variety came from something that is mostly harmful/neutral and a copying mistake of something that was already good is yet to be proved and hard to believe.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...22283604007624

http://bio-complexity.org/ojs/index.php/main/article/view/BIO-C.2010.4

http://bio-complexity.org/ojs/index.php/main/article/view/BIO-C.2014.4

http://bio-complexity.org/ojs/index.php/main/article/view/BIO-C.2012.4

ThinksDeign

[Angelo]

Re: Hello from brazil, the smelliest country in Lower Mexico

That's great that you have another child!

I'm not so much as a scholar, more of an interested amature. When I look at the intricate nature of existance I simply cannot in good faith say that it does not look designed.

I feel the design inference has been sidelined by a policitcal movement (methodological naturalism) and the scientific method has too many a priori assumptions that rule out a designer.

That's very poor logic in my opinion.

What about you, you sound as if you know more than you are letting on!

ThinkDesign.

hi ThinkDesign

i am certainly not unversed in regard of the evidence that points to our powerful creator as the best explanation for our existence. Specially when i look into molecular biology, i see DESIGN...

have you ever studied DNA replication, and the proteins and enzymes required to make it go ?

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

Friend, cut your beard. You look aweful with it. Almost like Lucifer in person. Then i might listen to your councils.

Friend, I would appreciate it if you would stop with your PMs requesting perverted liaisons. I do not perform the 'cybersex' as you said.
I only sleep with my wife, Mrs. Hutchins (once every ten months to enable her to carry a child for God) and with the Love of Jesus every night.
I am not surprised you know the Devil so intimately. But buddies, I imagine.

[FreeFromBrains]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

You are badly informed. I love my brothers in Christ of Landover church. This is a wonderful place to be and to learn theology from the fellow members. They are so well versed and educated of issues of the bible. Its truly amazing.

Yeah, right. Pull the other one mate, it's got bells on.

You been arguing with the usual crowd of deluded fundies since your second or third post.

One was even nice to you and you shot him down.

Yeah, good old fashioned xian love and tolerance. Not.

[Angelo]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

Those who are reading carefully will find True Christians™ never argue with each other over the interpretation of the Holy Bible, as we trust it to say what it means, and to mean what it says. Only those who fear putting their trust in the Holy Word of God will spend time bickering over details, great and small. It's a testament to their cowardice and unwillingness to put their faith in action.

Mary

since you are so keen that the bible must be interpreted literally. Mind to answer my question ? Do you use a towel on your head when you go to church ? Or a hut ? You have such a cute smile on your profile picture. I think you would like so modish if you would wear a Carmen Miranda hut when going to praise the lord at church ??

[Zechariah Smyth]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

If i move away from the lord because of your un-delicateness and rudeness, i will blame you directly

Ahhh, we FINALLY get to the meat of the matter...this bozo is already contemplating thumbing his nose at Our Lord Jesus Christ and he's looking for a scapegoat.

God sees right through your lies!!!

[Thinks Design]

Re: Hello from brazil, the smelliest country in Lower Mexico

hello ThinkDesign

i like your nickname. Nice to meet u. I am a expert in intelligent design, and have a virtual library, that goes from cosmology, origin of life, theory of evolution, to intelligent design, and molecular biology.

btw. i like London. Been there a few times. Last time in 2012, in december. When i was at the metro, i saw a pic of prince william become father for the second time. My wife said to me: i wish i were pregnant as well. As it came out one moth later, she was pregnant of Larissa, our daughter....

What is your expertise in the field of ID?

That's great that you have another child!

I'm not so much as a scholar, more of an interested amature. When I look at the intricate nature of existance I simply cannot in good faith say that it does not look designed.

I feel the design inference has been sidelined by a policitcal movement (methodological naturalism) and the scientific method has too many a priori assumptions that rule out a designer.

That's very poor logic in my opinion.

What about you, you sound as if you know more than you are letting on!

ThinkDesign.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Re: Hello from brazil, the smelliest country in Lower Mexico

Hello, Mr. Angelo!

I have been reading this thread with much interest. While some of the members of this Baptist community may seem a bit rough on the edges, they are all decent God-fearing people. I am an anthropologist conducting fieldwork in their church, and at the same time trying to solve my own crisis of faith, trying to regain the innocent faith in God that I had when I was a child.

You seem like somebody whose faith in God is firm, even if the details of your belief diverge somewhat from what the Bible says. I admire that. May I ask, what is the secret of your faith? How can you believe in a benevolent God in a world where favelas exist? If God exists, why does He allow Christians to kill, torture, rape, and enslave other people, including other Christians, in His name? How do you explain the fact that the last 1700 years of the existence of Christianity is marked by a trail of tears and blood shed in God's name?

If there is a God, is He even a God worthy of our worship?... Or does He just enjoy seeing our suffering, like it is described in the Book of Job?...

*** Your answers will not be used for my research, only to help me with my own faith. In accordance with academic requirements, I only conduct research on people who agreed to participate, and only within the Landover Baptist community.***

[Angelo]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

Friend, read the Bible.

Friend, cut your beard. You look aweful with it. Almost like Lucifer in person. Then i might listen to your councils.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

So much fun to see to Christer's arguing over their own take on their religion.

You guys can never agree on anything (apart from hating people you disagree with (which seems to be everyone).

Too funny.

Those who are reading carefully will find True Christians™ never argue with each other over the interpretation of the Holy Bible, as we trust it to say what it means, and to mean what it says. Only those who fear putting their trust in the Holy Word of God will spend time bickering over details, great and small. It's a testament to their cowardice and unwillingness to put their faith in action.