[Basilissa]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

Dear Basilissa

rather than whining about my thoughtful answers which show real knowledge and understanding of the word of God,

My dear, personal attacks do not count as "thoughtful answers," and I am still waiting for you to show a "real knowledge and understanding of the word of God."

and complain about me, just because they do not please you and are fit for your taste and gusto,i urge you to educate yourself. Even a quick google search, and you will find the relevant answers. As here for example.

http://redeeminggod.com/women-to-preach-in-church-or-pastor/

I looked it up. This article is a mental exercise on how to twist the Word of God into something that it doesn't say.

Please note that this article cites two out of several Biblical passages which prohibit women from being pastors, and they cite exactly zero (out of zero) Biblical passages that would support a contrary position.

Therefore, I conclude that this article is unchristian because it rejects the teaching of the Bible.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

Dear Mary Ethelda

from a true bride of the lord, and sister in Christ, i expect a little-bit more respect with brothers in Christ, guests as my humble me.

You're not my brother in Christ, and you are anything but humble. I find you to be aggressive, vexatious, and lacking anything resembling humility. You deny the Holy Word of God due honor, and argue that it must mean something that suits your own preconceived moral code. Your rude demeanor I can can overlook, as you are naught more than a product of your breeding, but your attack on Holy Scripture is utterly unjustifiable and completely without excuse. You will find out on the day of Judgement just how far you have strayed from the straight and narrow. It is my one and only desire to see you have access to the Real Holy Gospel, and not one of Brazilian Invention.

[Angelo]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

Please explain, how have I attacked you.

Well, at first, I thought I was talking to a mature Christian, but now I'm beginning to think I'm taking to a drama queen.

All we ask is that you show that YOU know the Bible. Why is that offensive?

If by "controversial" you mean "Bible says one thing and the secular laws/ethics say another thing," then I agree. In my opinion, there is no controversy - just follow the Bible and screw ethics!

And this is the problem. You seem to think that the Bible needs to be interpreted. Do you really think God is so cruel, that He would give as a Life Instruction Manual so complex that it needed to be "interpreted"? We believe that the Bible is not to be interpreted, but read as is. I mean, it is written in plain language, and if you really, really read it, you'll realize that there is not much room for interpretation -- unless by "interpretation" you mean "discarding the parts of the Bible that do not agree with own worldview."

You really should look up "ad hominem attack."

OK, let's follow your line of thinking, as a thought experiment. If the Bible is something that needs to be interpreted, and there are a 100 people reading it who have 100 interpretations (you can see how many interpretations of the Bible there are by looking up the total number of Christian denominations, be it Protestant, Orthodox, Eastern, or Catholic-derived), then how do we know which - if any - interpretation is correct? Do you really think God would screw with our minds so much? Isn't accepting the literal understanding of the Holy Bible the most logical one?

Again ad hominem instead of actual arguments.

Feel free to provide evidence for this claim. I assume you're reading a Portuguese translation of the Bible, but you know what? The book chapter:verse notation is the same in all languages, so you can look up any verse you want to share here: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/

and copy+paste it into your reply.

I am still waiting for you to address -- using Biblical support -- the issues of women teaching in church, discarding parts of the Bible that are not "convenient," and also the questions raised by Brother Zechariah, the "nobody is perfect" and "God loves the sinner" things.

I really would love to have an actual Bible-based discussion with you. In your next reply, I hope to see more Scripture and less personal attacks!

Dear Basilissa

rather than whining about my thoughtful answers which show real knowledge and understanding of the word of God, and complain about me, just because they do not please you and are fit for your taste and gusto,i urge you to educate yourself. Even a quick google search, and you will find the relevant answers. As here for example.

http://redeeminggod.com/women-to-preach-in-church-or-pastor/

in Christ, for the glory of the lord

Angelo

[Angelo]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

You need not dare me, dear. I'm a civilized woman from a civilized nation. All you need do is ask, and I am happy to help. In answer to your questions, I am a daughter of the King of Kings (2 Corinthians 6:18), charged with the responsibility to judge with righteous judgement (John 7:24) for the purpose of wisdom, to know the wolf from the sheep (Matthew 10:16), so that I may identify the wicked and be free from his influence, as commanded by my Heavenly Father (1 Corinthians 5:13). It is not I who am superior, but Christ Jesus, my Lord and Master, who lives in me and animates my every behavior. I am but a vessel of the Spirit of God, and all I do, I do because I am allowing His Will to be manifest through my flesh, and you would do well to show reverence to God's Temple (1 Corinthians 6:19).

Furthermore, I praise God Almighty you are not my pastor. Not only are the pastors from Brazil perverts and charlatans [Pastor Tells Female Church Members: My Sperm Is Divine Milk Of Holy Spirit, Demands Oral Sex With Them] but if they are as egocentric and hot headed as you, they have surely missed the Good News. I think your church must be among those that attract psychopaths, as you are a gullible, foolish people who are easily led with the verbal smoke and mirrors false Christians continually offer [clergy in top ten careers that attract psychopaths].

Still, I pray there is hope for you yet. If you will but calm down and read the posts as they are intended - for your edification - you just may learn a thing or two.

Dear Mary Ethelda

from a true bride of the lord, and sister in Christ, i expect a little-bit more respect with brothers in Christ, guests as my humble me. The fact that some perverts trans-vest them-self as pastors, and abuse the sheep of their church, is not restricted to the country were i live. Rather than search for mutual edification in knowledge and growth in the word of God, you come up with abusive language, and examples, that are a big exception, not the norm, and try to degenerate my countries image. Not a nice behavior. Most or our pastors in Brazil are genuine servants, and take their ministry seriously, with true devotion.

But i can come down to your low level of grotesque accusations, and remember you that some perverts calling them-self pastors exist not only outside of Brazil, but also in your blessed nation. Examples ?

Tony Alamo, Christian Ministries Pervert Preacher, Gets 175 Years for Molesting Child Brides

Crazy Perverted Pastor Sex Sermon Claimed Jesus Wanted Him To Have Sex With Teenage Girl
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c1c_1...AgWpmsTD390.99

i could go on and on.......

take care.

[Basilissa]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

Dear Basilissa, dear

In no way did i attack our brother in Christ. It is not in the DNA of my new born again nature to do so. Its actually YOU that is attacking me.

Please explain, how have I attacked you.

Behave properly with me, who the h#### do you think are you talking with ? Some respect, please !!

Well, at first, I thought I was talking to a mature Christian, but now I'm beginning to think I'm taking to a drama queen.

All we ask is that you show that YOU know the Bible. Why is that offensive?

Excuse me ? Do you think a book like the bible has no controversial issues ?

If by "controversial" you mean "Bible says one thing and the secular laws/ethics say another thing," then I agree. In my opinion, there is no controversy - just follow the Bible and screw ethics!

Sorry to tell you, but you seem to be a little naive. The bible has some pretty complex issues, where the interpretations diverge.

And this is the problem. You seem to think that the Bible needs to be interpreted. Do you really think God is so cruel, that He would give as a Life Instruction Manual so complex that it needed to be "interpreted"? We believe that the Bible is not to be interpreted, but read as is. I mean, it is written in plain language, and if you really, really read it, you'll realize that there is not much room for interpretation -- unless by "interpretation" you mean "discarding the parts of the Bible that do not agree with own worldview."

That is totally normal. But know what ? I think, if you wish to read non - controversial lecture, you should return to Disney cartoons, like Micky Maus and Donald Duck. Fortunately, there is literature out there for all level of IQ and understanding. Don't take it as a offense imho.

You really should look up "ad hominem attack."

Sorry to tell you, but it seems you have no knowledge of what the scriptures say. I am surprised actually to encounter a bunch of illiterates of the sacred scriptures here, and that do have no idea how to interpret them.

OK, let's follow your line of thinking, as a thought experiment. If the Bible is something that needs to be interpreted, and there are a 100 people reading it who have 100 interpretations (you can see how many interpretations of the Bible there are by looking up the total number of Christian denominations, be it Protestant, Orthodox, Eastern, or Catholic-derived), then how do we know which - if any - interpretation is correct? Do you really think God would screw with our minds so much? Isn't accepting the literal understanding of the Holy Bible the most logical one?

And on top of that, try to teach and question me and my knowledge with a air of superiority, as if arrogance would be a virtue of a christian. Vipers and hypocrites !!

Again ad hominem instead of actual arguments.

I bet i know my bible far better than you do !!

Feel free to provide evidence for this claim. I assume you're reading a Portuguese translation of the Bible, but you know what? The book chapter:verse notation is the same in all languages, so you can look up any verse you want to share here: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/

and copy+paste it into your reply.

I am still waiting for you to address -- using Biblical support -- the issues of women teaching in church, discarding parts of the Bible that are not "convenient," and also the questions raised by Brother Zechariah, the "nobody is perfect" and "God loves the sinner" things.

I really would love to have an actual Bible-based discussion with you. In your next reply, I hope to see more Scripture and less personal attacks!

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

Dear Mary, sister in Christ

i am not a catholic, but a protestant , and fundamentalist believer and fervent follower of Christ, my lord. As a prolific adherent of Luther, i believe in the sola escritura, and i do not believe that the right interpretation of the bible belongs to the clerics. Rather has each and every child of God the holy spirit in order interpret and understand the bible. I dare you, who do you think you are to criticize and judge my interpretation of the holy word of God ? Do you think you are superior to others ? What petty arrogance. Are you behaving in that same manner also in the church. With the superiority " i know it better " attitude ? What does your husband think about this ? And, what does your pastor say about this behavior ? If i'd be your pastor, i would think about some sever discipline in order for you to return to the place you deserve. To be silent, and learn as a precious vase, fully of the holy spirit of the lord.

Peace.

Angelo

You need not dare me, dear. I'm a civilized woman from a civilized nation. All you need do is ask, and I am happy to help. In answer to your questions, I am a daughter of the King of Kings (2 Corinthians 6:18), charged with the responsibility to judge with righteous judgement (John 7:24) for the purpose of wisdom, to know the wolf from the sheep (Matthew 10:16), so that I may identify the wicked and be free from his influence, as commanded by my Heavenly Father (1 Corinthians 5:13). It is not I who am superior, but Christ Jesus, my Lord and Master, who lives in me and animates my every behavior. I am but a vessel of the Spirit of God, and all I do, I do because I am allowing His Will to be manifest through my flesh, and you would do well to show reverence to God's Temple (1 Corinthians 6:19).

Furthermore, I praise God Almighty you are not my pastor. Not only are the pastors from Brazil perverts and charlatans [Pastor Tells Female Church Members: My Sperm Is Divine Milk Of Holy Spirit, Demands Oral Sex With Them] but if they are as egocentric and hot headed as you, they have surely missed the Good News. I think your church must be among those that attract psychopaths, as you are a gullible, foolish people who are easily led with the verbal smoke and mirrors false Christians continually offer [clergy in top ten careers that attract psychopaths].

Still, I pray there is hope for you yet. If you will but calm down and read the posts as they are intended - for your edification - you just may learn a thing or two.

[Angelo]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

Tell me, what is a 'congretation'? No one here speaks spic. Is that some place you sleep or defecate?

Suspected it. Now its official. You are a follower of the devil, and come in the robe of a sheep. i have took off your mask, you are a devil worshiper. Look at your beard !! Its horrible !!. My advice. Cut it, and start using some decent cloths. That would be a good start to become a worthy member of the sacred Landover Baptist church. !!

[Angelo]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

Hello, dear. This is what I'd call a "non-answer answer" - instead of giving an actual Bible-based answer, you're just doing an ad hominem attack. Think of Brother Zechariah's questions as a test: we are gauging your level of the knowledge of the Bible, not the other way around.

Dear Basilissa, dear

In no way did i attack our brother in Christ. It is not in the DNA of my new born again nature to do so. Its actually YOU that is attacking me. Behave properly with me, who the h#### do you think are you talking with ? Some respect, please !!

Why do you call the Word of God as recorded in the Holy Bible a "controversial issue"? What can be controversial about the Bible for a person who claims to be a Christian?

Excuse me ? Do you think a book like the bible has no controversial issues ? Sorry to tell you, but you seem to be a little naive. The bible has some pretty complex issues, where the interpretations diverge. That is totally normal. But know what ? I think, if you wish to read non - controversial lecture, you should return to Disney cartoons, like Micky Maus and Donald Duck. Fortunately, there is literature out there for all level of IQ and understanding. Don't take it as a offense imho.

How can something that contradicts the Holy Bible be a blessing?

So yeah, you can believe what you want, but if you don't believe what the Bible says then you're going to Hell.

Your choice.

Sorry to tell you, but it seems you have no knowledge of what the scriptures say. I am surprised actually to encounter a bunch of illiterates of the sacred scriptures here, and that do have no idea how to interpret them. And on top of that, try to teach and question me and my knowledge with a air of superiority, as if arrogance would be a virtue of a christian. Vipers and hypocrites !!

You don't seem like an expert, buddy.

Aside from John 3:16 (which is the most widely cited verse of them all), I haven't seen your expertise on the Bible yet.

Excuse me, but who the sake has entitled you to be my judge of my expertise and knowledge of the bible ? I dare you....... behave !!

Next, while I cannot order you to do it, I'd suggest that you sit down with your Bible and really, really read it.

All of it.

No skipping the "boring" parts.

I bet i know my bible far better than you do !!

[Angelo]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

By referring you to the Holy Word of God?



Friend, it seems your defensiveness stems from protecting your own personal theology, at the expense of the Divine Message from the Holy Bible. By declaring your own interpretation as more relevant than the actual words of the Bible, you have declared yourself the pope of your own little religious sect. Do you wear a funny hat, too?

Dear Mary, sister in Christ

i am not a catholic, but a protestant , and fundamentalist believer and fervent follower of Christ, my lord. As a prolific adherent of Luther, i believe in the sola escritura, and i do not believe that the right interpretation of the bible belongs to the clerics. Rather has each and every child of God the holy spirit in order interpret and understand the bible. I dare you, who do you think you are to criticize and judge my interpretation of the holy word of God ? Do you think you are superior to others ? What petty arrogance. Are you behaving in that same manner also in the church. With the superiority " i know it better " attitude ? What does your husband think about this ? And, what does your pastor say about this behavior ? If i'd be your pastor, i would think about some sever discipline in order for you to return to the place you deserve. To be silent, and learn as a precious vase, fully of the holy spirit of the lord.

Peace.

Angelo

[James Hutchins]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

hi James

you seem to have hijacked my nickname, and the moderator has exchanged it with my name. He has done that without my consent and permition. I don't think that is in the spirit of the lord. Thats abuse of the moderator's authority. I urge the moderator immediately to give my my nickname back.

Well, the lord was gracious to me, gave me over average intelligence, which has permitted me to learn english rather fast and easy....

Permit me brother, but your looking with beard remembers me rather of a hard rocker the bike gang leader of Lucifer's diciples, rathers than a precious church member of a baptist church. Dear, let me ask you, what congretation are you member of, and what is your pastors name. And how does he permit you being member of his church with this rather, lets say, rude outfit and appearance ? I dare you to cloth yourself like a child of God should , with all modesty and decency.

In Christ

Angelo

??? I called you Angelo. Isn't that you name? You never said it was Pedro or Jose or Maria. I have no need to 'hijack' anything. The Good Lord has provided. You see Pedro, decent True Christians(tm) do not steal. I know that is what you people do and as barbaric as you are, it is expected.

I'd of simply pointed at you and motioned over as so often is the case when dealing with those that have a limited ability to understand words. Did you know a good hunting dog can learn close to 1,000 words. Something to aspire to.

Tell me, what is a 'congretation'? No one here speaks spic. Is that some place you sleep or defecate?

[Nobar King]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

I can speak a little bit of Mexican, and someday I hope to meet a nice Christian Brazilian woman. Maybe one who is part German.

[Basilissa]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

Dear brother Z.Smyth

you are making very heretical questions, and doubt about things that are very clearly stated in the bible. How long are you a Christian ? If not so long, i can understand your ignorance about basic things. If a long time, i see some evidence that you do not know your bible so well. You know, not knowing Gods word properly is a sin of considerable severeness. If you were member of my church, i would talk to my pastor, and he would urge you to make a intensive bible course, in order to not remain ignorant of Gods word.

take care ( of your ignorance ).

Hello, dear. This is what I'd call a "non-answer answer" - instead of giving an actual Bible-based answer, you're just doing an ad hominem attack. Think of Brother Zechariah's questions as a test: we are gauging your level of the knowledge of the Bible, not the other way around.

Elmer

you are trying to bring discordance and disturbance to my topic with controversial issues, which is flowing rather peacefully and fluidly.

Why do you call the Word of God as recorded in the Holy Bible a "controversial issue"? What can be controversial about the Bible for a person who claims to be a Christian?

The sister of my wifes mother is a pastor of a home church,

How often does she preach this verse:

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

As a woman myself, I'd never try to teach a man or usurp an authority over a man (1 Timothy 2:12), because I am a humble servant of God who knows her place:

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

and her minstry is undoubtly a blessing to many church members,

How can something that contradicts the Holy Bible be a blessing?

and she has the gift of preaching the word , speaking in tongs, dance to the lords music etc. A very gifted women, which expresses the gifts of the holy spirit in a gracious manner. WHO ARE YOU to question my feelings, convictions and beliefs ?

My dear, God has given you the free will to believe whatever you want.

Just bear in mind, that the Holy Bible is not something that you can choose whatever you want and discard the rest. Jesus is very clear about that:

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

So yeah, you can believe what you want, but if you don't believe what the Bible says then you're going to Hell.

Your choice.

Are you eventually my pastor, my consultant, or did i eventually ask you to be any of it. So i dare you , to get back to where you belong, to your chair of a common brother in Christ, and leave the hard questions to the experts.

You don't seem like an expert, buddy.

Aside from John 3:16 (which is the most widely cited verse of them all), I haven't seen your expertise on the Bible yet.

The bible also says, we shall not contempt in issues that are not relevant to be discussed. They do not edificate the body of the lord.

Next !! .......

Next, while I cannot order you to do it, I'd suggest that you sit down with your Bible and really, really read it.

All of it.

No skipping the "boring" parts.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

Elmer

you are trying to bring discordance and disturbance to my topic with controversial issues

By referring you to the Holy Word of God?



Friend, it seems your defensiveness stems from protecting your own personal theology, at the expense of the Divine Message from the Holy Bible. By declaring your own interpretation as more relevant than the actual words of the Bible, you have declared yourself the pope of your own little religious sect. Do you wear a funny hat, too?

[Angelo]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

Based on these two answers ('yes' and 'no') please explain the following verse based on your doctrine:

1 Timothy 2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

And no, I am not interested in the standard exegetics that conjure up a picture of a service with the women gossiping behind a veil and disturbing the proceedings, as that is nothing else but an ad hoc attempt to save female ordination from the clear and unambiguous Biblical commandment.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Elmer

you are trying to bring discordance and disturbance to my topic with controversial issues, which is flowing rather peacefully and fluidly. The sister of my wifes mother is a pastor of a home church, and her minstry is undoubtly a blessing to many church members, and she has the gift of preaching the word , speaking in tongs, dance to the lords music etc. A very gifted women, which expresses the gifts of the holy spirit in a gracious manner. WHO ARE YOU to question my feelings, convictions and beliefs ? Are you eventually my pastor, my consultant, or did i eventually ask you to be any of it. So i dare you , to get back to where you belong, to your chair of a common brother in Christ, and leave the hard questions to the experts. The bible also says, we shall not contempt in issues that are not relevant to be discussed. They do not edificate the body of the lord.

Next !! .......

[Angelo]

Re: Hello from brazil, greetings in the name of Christ

Greetings some more Angelo. You are mistaken about the fate of Jah Ras Tafari. That is propaganda put out by the white man. There is a popular song about this confusion in Jamaica- "Said I to Jah you're ten years dead, I never died said he".

Ras Tafari left the throne of Ethipoia of his own accord to become the Bahetawi monk Abba Keddus. You can go there and see him today if you wish. He is everliving. He is the Black savior foretold by the Honorable Marcus Garvey. He is the same Yeshua who came before.

Dear friend

i will not call you brother in the time being, since you show some kind of severe heresy and deviation from the true doctrin of the bible, and as it seems you are possessed by the deceitful spirit of the anti-christ. The bible is clear that Jesus and Jah and the holy spirit are God alone. There is no tolerance in regard of this fundamental doctrine. So i urge you to come back today to the right path and faith, before its too late. I suspect strongly, that if you die today, with such a erroneous and sectarian belief, you will end up straight in hell like the poor souls which were singing following at the bataclan in Paris, moments before the devil came and took their souls :

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/paris-concert-crowd-was-singing-kiss-the-devil-the-moment-terror-attacks-began/

“KISS THE DEVIL” – BY EAGLES OF DEATH METAL

WHO’LL LOVE THE DEVIL?
WHO’LL SONG HIS SONG?
WHO WILL LOVE THE DEVIL AND HIS SONG?

I’LL LOVE THE DEVIL
I’LL SING HIS SONG
I WILL LOVE THE DEVIL AND HIS SONG

WHO’LL LOVE THE DEVIL?
WHO’LL KISS HIS TONGUE?
WHO WILL KISS THE DEVIL ON HIS TONGUE?

I’LL LOVE THE DEVIL
I’LL KISS HIS TONGUE
I WILL KISS THE DEVIL ON HIS TONGUE

these young folks are kissing now indeed the Devils tongue, straight down there in hell, and suffering the eternal consequences of their brainless idiotic behavior.

Are you sure you want to keep your life on the same path ? Come back to Jesus before its too late.

The ganja opens the mind to the spiritual force of Jah and helps to better commune with him. I and I smoke the ganja if you are looking or not.

Jah Guide
Trevor

Here we have it explicitly. You are a apostate, a drug junky, a pot smoker, you are destroying your lungs, your health, your body. You are in serious danger, my friend. Change the direction and path you are on, before its too late.

Your brother in Christ

Angelo