[Didymus Much]

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...you'll also do well to remember that the first person to get baptised was a black person...

If you want to make headway with the True Christians™, stop claiming made-up bullshit that has no basis in Scripture.

...as Jesus - whether you like it or not - was not racist...

Gee, His Dad sure is (according to the Bible), always going around in the Old Testament condemning people to oblivion based solely on their race. Go look up what happened to the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, etc.

Oh, and Jesus is God (according to the Bible). See John 10:30.

So what's your position now? Is Jesus racist? Or is the Bible horseshit?

If you can't trust the Bible, how do you know Jesus even existed?

[agnesaliencat]

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Why so aggressive, dear? We only have your best interests at heart, you know. Philippians 2:4 is clear on that. Is there some way we should have known what year you started school? Do excuse me if I have missed a post containing this vital piece of information.

Most people go to school for either 11 years (the thickos who have trouble with GCSE mathematics spring to mind) or 13 years (those who have some hope of getting into further education). Here is a helpful So 12 years is not really like everybody else, is it? But September birthdays are such a problem.

If you are now too old to go back to school, have you considered some sort of remedial evening class to address your problems with scientific method? The anger management is a separate issue, and one that perhaps your GP could help you with.

YiC
JL-V

I don't have anger issues. Also, I went into college after school and did a 2 year biology course. As for my birthday, it's actually in October, but because I had to deal with the small issue of moving out of Liverpool a year into my secondary education, I found myself effectively losing a year in education because the system in Scotland is slightly different, and I will never step foot into a classroom again after finding out that they are nothing but places where people are brainwashed (which was also why I never did my homework either, as that was just another way of submitting into a system that I really didn't want to be a part of).

And I also know you didn't either, as we were all taught one curriculum or another, and none of us signed up for it. You also didn't sign up for the fact that the US was not "promised" to you (your ancestors just took it), so please remember when you next say that only white people are Americans that the real Americans are the ones whose land your ancestors took without permission, and you'll also do well to remember that the first person to get baptised was a black person (as Jesus - whether you like it or not - was not racist, nor was he caucasian as people would have you believe).

[Dolores de Barriga]

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I respect the opinions of others, and I will expect others to respect mine too.

And here's where we differ because, as I already said, I do not care about opinions, I just want to know what evidence do you have to support your opinions. The Genesis counts as evidence for the Christian creationist side, because it is believed to be the Word of God. Genetics counts as evidence for the scientific side, because it's backed up by scientific data.

So far, you have failed to provide any sort of evidence for the alien hypothesis. BTW, good job on ignoring my previous post on the subject. Not very scientific of you, but the religious side of the debate often finds that ignoring offered evidence is the best way to contradict it.

Doesn't matter if I get ridiculed, as at the end of the day, all sides have "evidence" claiming that they are correct

Except for you. So far you have presented nothing that could count as evidence, neither from the religious nor scientific point of view.

Therefore, I cannot respect your opinion as it is a baseless claim which is not supported by any evidence at all.

How would I be in my teenage years if I started school in 1998? Answer is simple, as I went to school for 12 full years like everybody else, and I left school 2 months shy of my 17th birthday.

And no, I'm not going back.

That means you had really bad teachers who pushed you from one grade to another. If you were my student I wouldn't let you slip from grade to grade without proving to me that you are actually learning something.

[handmaiden]

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And I mentioned the whole thing about science because it's obvious that some people here think that I'm a science professor who can just pull information out from thin air (something that I wish I could do but can't).

I admire your frank admission. Only Jesus could pull information out of thin air. Like that time he told the Samaritan women that she didn't have a husband but was actually shacking up with a guy who wasn't her husband. John 4:17-18. That was so cool how he read her mind like that!


However, while you are not omniscient like Jesus, you probably do have access to books and whatnot. Now, I still must insist that you actually read the Bible if you wish to participate in any serious discussion thereof; all the same, if you want to bring science to the table, citing your sources might shore up your position.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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How would I be in my teenage years if I started school in 1998? Answer is simple, as I went to school for 12 full years like everybody else, and I left school 2 months shy of my 17th birthday.

And no, I'm not going back.

Why so aggressive, dear? We only have your best interests at heart, you know. Philippians 2:4 is clear on that. Is there some way we should have known what year you started school? Do excuse me if I have missed a post containing this vital piece of information.

Most people go to school for either 11 years (the thickos who have trouble with GCSE mathematics spring to mind) or 13 years (those who have some hope of getting into further education). Here is a helpful So 12 years is not really like everybody else, is it? But September birthdays are such a problem.

If you are now too old to go back to school, have you considered some sort of remedial evening class to address your problems with scientific method? The anger management is a separate issue, and one that perhaps your GP could help you with.

YiC
JL-V

[agnesaliencat]

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Dolores, dear, I know you are not entirely familiar with the British "education" system or the mores of the Liverpudlian, so perhaps I can help? When a young person of that class says that they "left school 7 years ago", there is no suggestion that they completed their education then. It is often just an evasive way of saying that, after multiple warnings, that is when they were excluded from school on a permanent basis. There can be many reasons for exclusion: the list is too long to bore you with, but includes persistent bad behavior, causing actual bodily harm to others, extreme mental deficiency and even morbid obesity such that they can no longer get through the doors.

So, someone who left school** 7 years ago may be anywhere between the ages of 12 and 25. My gut feeling is that we are looking at the 13-14 age range here. So you might want to use shorter words.

All the best, dear,
Joanna

** School means education between the ages of 5 and 18, by the way. The British don't call college or university "school". Don't ask why - perversity, presumably.

How would I be in my teenage years if I started school in 1998? Answer is simple, as I went to school for 12 full years like everybody else, and I left school 2 months shy of my 17th birthday.

And no, I'm not going back.

[agnesaliencat]

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Just who the heck filled your head with that crap?

The only thing that is "equal" is your right to hold an opinion. Whether that opinion is deserving of any respect at all depends on what it is based on. Evidence would be a very good place to start.

An opinion (like yours with the alien DNA ) based on nothing aside from, "oh, this makes sense to me, because I'm too stupid/lazy to actually investigate and find out just how wrong it is on so many levels", deserves nothing but ridicule, no matter who holds it.

I respect the opinions of others, and I will expect others to respect mine too. Doesn't matter if I get ridiculed, as at the end of the day, all sides have "evidence" claiming that they are correct, and yet nobody can prove anything (not even the best scientists).

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

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If I could make a friendly suggestion: you might consider going back, and using it for learning purposes this time. It may not make you a scientific genius, but at least it might give you some knowledge of actual scientific evidence which could be used to have actually informed views about the world.

Dolores, dear, I know you are not entirely familiar with the British "education" system or the mores of the Liverpudlian, so perhaps I can help? When a young person of that class says that they "left school 7 years ago", there is no suggestion that they completed their education then. It is often just an evasive way of saying that, after multiple warnings, that is when they were excluded from school on a permanent basis. There can be many reasons for exclusion: the list is too long to bore you with, but includes persistent bad behavior, causing actual bodily harm to others, extreme mental deficiency and even morbid obesity such that they can no longer get through the doors.

So, someone who left school** 7 years ago may be anywhere between the ages of 12 and 25. My gut feeling is that we are looking at the 13-14 age range here. So you might want to use shorter words.

All the best, dear,
Joanna

** School means education between the ages of 5 and 18, by the way. The British don't call college or university "school". Don't ask why - perversity, presumably.

[Didymus Much]

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My opinion is equal to yours no matter what you say...

Just who the heck filled your head with that crap?

The only thing that is "equal" is your right to hold an opinion. Whether that opinion is deserving of any respect at all depends on what it is based on. Evidence would be a very good place to start.

An opinion (like yours with the alien DNA ) based on nothing aside from, "oh, this makes sense to me, because I'm too stupid/lazy to actually investigate and find out just how wrong it is on so many levels", deserves nothing but ridicule, no matter who holds it.

[Dolores de Barriga]

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I left school 7 years ago.

If I could make a friendly suggestion: you might consider going back, and using it for learning purposes this time. It may not make you a scientific genius, but at least it might give you some knowledge of actual scientific evidence which could be used to have actually informed views about the world.

My opinion is equal to yours no matter what you say. Just like you're entitled to yours, I'm entitled to mine. Don't like that? Well that's (sadly for you) tough.

I don't care about opinions. If you want to have an opinion that the color of the sky is neon green, I don't care.


The only thing I'm interested in is the evidence which leads you to having an opinion.

Also, nobody knows what other life is out there, and nobody knows how they would evolve. I personally believe that apes etc were already here, but then aliens came and mixed their DNA with the DNA of apes in order to create us.

So why we don't have the evidence of that in the genes?


Also, why we don't have evidence of apes existing in the past? I'll give you this one: because they are our cousins, not ancestors.


Also, when did that would have happened? Before or after Ardipitecus? How about the Australopithecines? Were they still the products of local evolution or the effect of alien work? How about Homo erectus?


Did you look up Occam's Razor? Local evolution is a much simpler solution than having aliens, created by God-knows-whom, come in and manipulate the DNA in a way which is absolutely impossible to determine, as the DNA they inject is totally indistinguishable from the locally developed DNA shared with eukaryotes, cherry trees, porcini mushrooms, amoebas, lemurs, and us.

And we still haven't found out if there are humans elsewhere in space either.

I thought we both agreed that humans are ultimately an Earth product?

[agnesaliencat]

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How can a modern book be "full of" medieval ones? Are you saying the author cut up the manuscripts in pieces? Or is he plagiarizing/summarizing/simplifying for the simpleton minds out there? Assuming the latter is true, do you always prefer to read the synopsis rather the actual text?

That would explain a lot, actually.

I still don't understand, why read a rip off when there's a perfectly understandable translation (1, 2) of the original? Do you have trouble comprehending written text and need it to be dumbed down or something?



Correct. It is, in fact, much worse.

So the question asked by Miss Lizalor remains: who did create aliens?

If God created aliens, then you believe the same thing as creationist Christians, just with an additional step in the middle: God created aliens who created people. Christians have the Bible as their evidence, you have nothing.

If aliens evolved from single cell organisms, then you believe something which is very close to what science says, except that you're adding an extra step for which there is no scientific evidence whatsoever.

Out of curiosity - at which level of evolution do you believe that the aliens interjected with their creation? You can use as a visual aid our primate family tree here, and our overall all species family tree here.

Also - how did they hide their creation so seamlessly that all living organisms on Earth seem to be related without separate creations?


I'm asking because I'm sincerely interested in understanding how does your brain work.



Sad, but true.

My opinion is equal to yours no matter what you say. Just like you're entitled to yours, I'm entitled to mine. Don't like that? Well that's (sadly for you) tough. Also, nobody knows what other life is out there, and nobody knows how they would evolve. I personally believe that apes etc were already here, but then aliens came and mixed their DNA with the DNA of apes in order to create us.

And I've also never claimed to be a scientific genius, and (fun fact) even the people that we call scientific geniuses nowadays are still learning things and trying to figure things out.

And we still haven't found out if there are humans elsewhere in space either.

[agnesaliencat]

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No it's not.

It's a term referring to ethnicity, not to dogmatic/religious difference.

Protip: when you're in class, try listening to the teacher and taking notes instead of playing with your phone all the time.

I left school 7 years ago.

[Dolores de Barriga]

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Norse Mythology may have been written by a modern author but it is full of Eddas,

How can a modern book be "full of" medieval ones? Are you saying the author cut up the manuscripts in pieces? Or is he plagiarizing/summarizing/simplifying for the simpleton minds out there? Assuming the latter is true, do you always prefer to read the synopsis rather the actual text?

That would explain a lot, actually.

as Neil did a fair bit of research, and thanks to him, I now know that Thor's hammer (amongst many other things) was made by dwarves, and that they have their own version of Adam and Eve (Ask and Embla), plus other things which I had no idea about.

I still don't understand, why read a rip off when there's a perfectly understandable translation (1, 2) of the original? Do you have trouble comprehending written text and need it to be dumbed down or something?

My explanation is not better than anybody else's.

Correct. It is, in fact, much worse.

As for complication when it comes to explanations, I'd be more inclined to say that you guys have the more complicated one, as it is physically (and medically/scientifically) impossible to create a man from dust and then a woman from his rib. Between that and aliens, aliens would be more plausible, unless they had the technology to do what you believe happened, which would make both plausible.

So the question asked by Miss Lizalor remains: who did create aliens?

If God created aliens, then you believe the same thing as creationist Christians, just with an additional step in the middle: God created aliens who created people. Christians have the Bible as their evidence, you have nothing.

If aliens evolved from single cell organisms, then you believe something which is very close to what science says, except that you're adding an extra step for which there is no scientific evidence whatsoever.

Out of curiosity - at which level of evolution do you believe that the aliens interjected with their creation? You can use as a visual aid our primate family tree here, and our overall all species family tree here.

Also - how did they hide their creation so seamlessly that all living organisms on Earth seem to be related without separate creations?


I'm asking because I'm sincerely interested in understanding how does your brain work.

And I'm not a scientific genius.

Sad, but true.

[Basilissa]

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Ashkenazi is a branch of Judaism

No it's not.

It's a term referring to ethnicity, not to dogmatic/religious difference.

Protip: when you're in class, try listening to the teacher and taking notes instead of playing with your phone all the time.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Although I know what the scientific explanations are, and there are many ranging from Pythagoras to Neil deGrasse Tyson, God explains that their explanations are false. He does so here:

I TIMOTHY 6 . KJV . look up
20 Keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith.

He reminds us again how fortunate we are to have been chosen and not abandoned to secularist mumbojumbo, changing from day to day from year to year ever changing while God does not change. He is the rock in a turbulent sea:

EPHESIANS 4 . KJV . look up
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15a But speaking the truth in love..
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart: