[Ezekiel Bathfire]

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"Christians do not discriminate."
Well, the Christians on this forum certainly do.

I take it that you have read the Parable of the Good Samaritan.

The remarkable fact here was that Jesus spoke in terms that clearly showed that all Samaritans were bastards.

Paul carried on this fine tradition with Ti:1:12: One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. i.e. very similar to Samaritans.

PS,
Have you noticed that "Samaritans" is an anagram of "As Martians" - there may be some significance here.

[MitzaLizalor]

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"Christians do not discriminate."
Well, the Christians on this forum certainly do.

The Bible is very clear than discrimination is essential in some very specific examples.

II Corinthians 6:14-18 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

How can a Christian comply with God's requirement without discriminating?

Discriminating between what is clean and unclean.
Discriminating in matters of idolatry.
Discriminating between Christ and Belial.
Discriminating where fellowship with unbelievers may otherwise eventuate.
Discriminating between light and darkness.

There is a reason why. The Bible explains that Christians are a peculiar people, unique in God's eyes.

I Peter 2:9-11 Ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy. Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul.

Elsewhere we can read about Jesus, the words He spoke, what He taught. There are people who made something else up, something contradicting Jesus, then called themselves "Christians" but what they say is not the same as what Jesus said. That such people exist is a fact.

It would be factual to report what they said, too. But if they contradict Jesus then the fact of their contradiction needs to be addressed as such.

[Scoutman03]

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I can assure you as can all decent Christians, I am no robot. I am a virle man chosen by God Himself to spread his Loving Words. Even to despicable scum of the Earth like you. You see camel jockey, Christians do not discriminate. We treat everyone the same, no matter how depraved people like you are.

Consider this:
You're riding your baby bomber vest, all proud because your dad took off the safety. A Good Humor truck comes and runs over your gut, causing your body to burst and spray entrails all over the street.

You're dead
Whether due to your own disgusting sinning or the Lords divine will, you are dead. Instantly your soul begins falling towards the black abyss above Hell. The falling seems eternal as you gather speed and the heat begins to grow. Then you notice a red dot below you growing larger by the second, this is the Lake in the center of Hell. It is the brightest point in Hell therefore it is visible for a great distance. Keep in mind that the farther you fall, the further from Christ you are.
As you gain speed and the flames become apparent you may wonder how you can stop this from happening. The answer is simple. It's too late and you can't, you're doomed. Your soul is damned and it WILL happen. The temperature is now approaching the unbearable limit as your flesh begins to smoulder and ignite and you continue to build speed as you plummet toward the now visible boiling Lake of Fire. You can almost make out individual souls thrashing in the magma with your flaming eyesockets. Soon you will join them, your terror mounts as your screams become gargled with the stench of Hells evil smell. The heat becomes excruciating as you notice your skin peeling away and your bones becoming visible and black. Flaming and screaming in anguish, you splashdown into the acidic brimstone of Satans Lake at around 250 MPH. You are instantly vaporized and reformed as a tormented soul writhing in absolute terror in the deafening depths of the Lake that Burns Eternal. The pain is beyond comprehension as you gnash your teeth so hard they shatter in your mouth. Satan periodically plucks you from the flames to savagely rape repeatedly and casually tosses you to his infernal minions to rip apart and rape at will, only to be reformed and have this scenario repeated...over and over and over, forever.
Is it still funny mocking our mission to Save© your soul? We want you to enjoy Heaven and eternal praise and worship at the feet of our Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ.

Unless you are Saved™ by Jesus Christ and His Holy website and favorite church, Landover Baptist, there is no other way to avoid this.

"Christians do not discriminate."
Well, the Christians on this forum certainly do.

[MitzaLizalor]

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Regarding your post above there is not much to address. Scripture should be analized in its original language regardless if its dead or alive.

A number of Scripture references have been provided for you in the original languages. In particular, since you claim The Bible has been corrupted, I've selected texts less likely to be divergent (as you might see things) from periods relevant to your claims.

I also referred you to Daniel 4 which I'd hoped you'd read for a very specific reason. Obviously I had assumed you'd not be bothering with any translations. What did you discover?

[Basilissa]

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Regarding your post above there is not much to address. Scripture should be analized in its original language regardless if its dead or alive.

The Quran is in Classical Arabic. A language that nobody speaks anymore. Still Muslims learn to recite the Quran in Classical Arabic since they are little, while also using a translation for meaning, they havent lost touch with the original language of revelation.

By your own admission, Muslims learn to mindlessly recite something they do not understand. They only understand the commentaries. How does that make you better from Catholics doing the Mass in Latin, or Orthodoxes doing the Mass in Old Church Slavonic?


If you only understand the translation, that means you are relying on the people who made the translation. So you are disobeying your God by not really understanding what your holy book says.

Also im sorry by i cant imagine God as a hand with fingers or as a creature with parts. Creatures have parts, God has no parts.

Do all Muslims lack the understanding of the concept of a metaphor?

[Esther B.]

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Also if my father straps bombs on me (why would cranky old man do that?) and i die, then it isnt my fault so i become a Martyr and its my father the one who goes to hell

How many times do we have to tell you that Cranky Old Man is NOT your father? First of all, you don't look anything like him. Second of all, if he was your father, you wouldn't be a heathen and you'd have a lot more respect for True Christians(TM) like Pastor Ezekiel.

[MustBeOnDrugs]

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I can assure you as can all decent Christians, I am no robot. I am a virle man chosen by God Himself to spread his Loving Words. Even to despicable scum of the Earth like you. You see camel jockey, Christians do not discriminate. We treat everyone the same, no matter how depraved people like you are.

Consider this:
You're riding your baby bomber vest, all proud because your dad took off the safety. A Good Humor truck comes and runs over your gut, causing your body to burst and spray entrails all over the street.

You're dead
Whether due to your own disgusting sinning or the Lords divine will, you are dead. Instantly your soul begins falling towards the black abyss above Hell. The falling seems eternal as you gather speed and the heat begins to grow. Then you notice a red dot below you growing larger by the second, this is the Lake in the center of Hell. It is the brightest point in Hell therefore it is visible for a great distance. Keep in mind that the farther you fall, the further from Christ you are.
As you gain speed and the flames become apparent you may wonder how you can stop this from happening. The answer is simple. It's too late and you can't, you're doomed. Your soul is damned and it WILL happen. The temperature is now approaching the unbearable limit as your flesh begins to smoulder and ignite and you continue to build speed as you plummet toward the now visible boiling Lake of Fire. You can almost make out individual souls thrashing in the magma with your flaming eyesockets. Soon you will join them, your terror mounts as your screams become gargled with the stench of Hells evil smell. The heat becomes excruciating as you notice your skin peeling away and your bones becoming visible and black. Flaming and screaming in anguish, you splashdown into the acidic brimstone of Satans Lake at around 250 MPH. You are instantly vaporized and reformed as a tormented soul writhing in absolute terror in the deafening depths of the Lake that Burns Eternal. The pain is beyond comprehension as you gnash your teeth so hard they shatter in your mouth. Satan periodically plucks you from the flames to savagely rape repeatedly and casually tosses you to his infernal minions to rip apart and rape at will, only to be reformed and have this scenario repeated...over and over and over, forever.
Is it still funny mocking our mission to Save© your soul? We want you to enjoy Heaven and eternal praise and worship at the feet of our Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ.

Unless you are Saved™ by Jesus Christ and His Holy website and favorite church, Landover Baptist, there is no other way to avoid this.

Wait, what? Christians believe you go to heaven or hell right after death??? Without day of Judgement first? Doesnt your soul stay on Earth after you die until the day of judgement?

Alhamdulillah for being Muslim. Even if I end up in hell its not straight away. I get to float around the world for some time until Israfil blows the trumpet.

Also if my father straps bombs on me (why would cranky old man do that?) and i die, then it isnt my fault so i become a Martyr and its my father the one who goes to hell

[MustBeOnDrugs]

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Also im sorry by i cant imagine God as a hand with fingers or as a creature with parts. Creatures have parts, God has no parts.

The Quran says clearly “And there is nothing comparable to Him”. So anything you can compare God with, it cannot be God. If you can imagine it with your human brain, then it cannot be God.

Why would God need sons or ghosts if he is all powerful? God cannot have parts, it doesnt make sense, you cannot divide God

[MustBeOnDrugs]

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Sweetie, instead of being mean towards our Pastor, why don't you engage in a civilized discussion - you could start by addressing my post above.

He is a rather strange pastor. He posts the same thing over and over regardless of whos he talking to... are you sure he is not a robot?

Regarding your post above there is not much to address. Scripture should be analized in its original language regardless if its dead or alive.

The Quran is in Classical Arabic. A language that nobody speaks anymore. Still Muslims learn to recite the Quran in Classical Arabic since they are little, while also using a translation for meaning, they havent lost touch with the original language of revelation.

This is something rather sad for Christians that most of them lost touch with the original language. Even the jus read the Torah in Ancient Hebrew, which is vastly different from modern Hebrew.

[Basilissa]

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If you took your time to learn about the other Abrahamic teligions, like most pastors actually do, youd see we all believe in Moses, and Noah and the flood, creation, etc so your claims that i dont believe in the flood are false. These are common beliefs between the 3 religions. All pastors know this

Even scientists believe in the flood as it is a proven historical fact

Sweetie, instead of being mean towards our Pastor, why don't you engage in a civilized discussion - you could start by addressing my post above.

[MustBeOnDrugs]

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About your private message

If you took your time to learn about the other Abrahamic teligions, like most pastors actually do, youd see we all believe in Moses, and Noah and the flood, creation, etc so your claims that i dont believe in the flood are false. These are common beliefs between the 3 religions. All pastors know this

Even scientists believe in the flood as it is a proven historical fact

[Dr Laurence Niles]

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The Breath of God moves the dendrites of our minds as the wind moves the branches of the trees.

This probably comes out better in one of the original languages of The Bible. How would it read in Arabic? I've thought of learning classical Arabic. Is it very different from what's spoken in Arabia? When visiting I've only ever needed English but I've only been to 3 or 4 countries there. I found the roads quite good and the drivers polite.

Do you think that Jesus, the creator of all things could not make sure the Bible is in the correct language for the audience to understand?

The KJV1611 was obviously written for white people to understand and written normally. In the Bible times when everyone spoke Jewish the Bible was written in a language couched in financial terms where property and ownership and strictly following rules were most important.

English being the language of white people is has fewer formal rules and you can see that the KJV1611 only has one rule: do exactly what Jesus demands every time, forever without fail.

Despite all of the chances Jesus gave the Jews they couldn’t help themselves but kill Him for money so there was no reason to keep writing the BibleKJV in Jewish.

Turns out white people (or at least all non/Jews) are more trustworthy so the most up to date Bible in the language of a trust worthy people is by definition the most accurate: and if you don’t believe me Incan cite the highest authority!

That’s right: the BIBLE(KJV1611) 🙌🏻

Do you see now?

YIC

[Basilissa]

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I speak Arabic, Russian and English so i know what a translation is. You guys only speak English (except the ones obsessed with navajo).

Gavaritie pa russkiy, tavarishch? Excellent! I do need to brush up on my Cyrillic, I haven't used it for a while, so I read Russian painfully slowly (but I understand Russian OK when listening to spoken language). And actually, you speak less languages than I do. (Nonetheless, we both pale in comparison with Dr. Elmer White, who is fluent in something 15 or 20 or more languages - I lost count long time ago).

A translation is not the word of God. It is just a translation. A translation made by a King 1600 years after Jesus alaihi salam. Why do you accept this?

Because the Bible has been written in languages which now are dead, and not every Christian is a polyglot. Would you rather deprive Christians from reading the Holy Book which is the basis of our religion? Also, your critique is rather hypocritical, as your book also has been translated into other languages very long after it was written. When I read Koran, it was actually a 20th century Polish translation, so ca. 1400 hundred years after the book was written. Does that mean I read complete garbage? (I mean, most Christians would agree that it definitely was pure garbage, but I'm asking for your opinion here).

Dont get me wrong, im not putting the KJV down. I recognized as the translation closest to the original, and vastly superior to NIV and other translations that came after it. It is the most widely read Bible in the word for a reason. But it still a translation and not the original text.

Sure, and I do enjoy looking at the original versions, parsing words and tracing meanings. Then again - not everybody is a linguist.

No Muslim on Earth would accept a Quran as the word of God if it is on any language other than Classical Arabic, the language it was revealed. Even a translation to Modern Standard Arabic would be unacceptable as a the word of God and it would be treated just as commentary/interpretation.

OK, let me get this straight. Languages change, on average, 11% in a century. That means the more time passes, the less legible the original text is. Are you sure you guys are OK with the entire population reading something you can no longer understand? Or do you understand that reading the original text is a luxury limited to specialized linguists, while the rest of the population has no choice but to read a translation?

Also please note that you do not speak for every Muslim on earth. The translation of the Koran I read was a printed book, published by the Polish Muslim Society. Here is their website, with Polish translation of the Koran, plus the original text and commentaries.

I have read and studied the Bible. And what i find is that everything related to more than one God, that Jesus is a god, that a holy ghost is a god, is always written by Paul or Timothy or non relevant people.

Here's the thing: with the Bible, is either all or nothing. Either it is the Word of God from beginning to end; or it is an unreliable collection of fables written by schizophrenics, parts of which may or may not be based on some actual events. The moment you begin to say, "oh, I only believe parts of it, and the rest is wrong," you open the path to questioning all of the Bible. If the Bible is not the Word of God, then how can you assess which parts of it are true and which parts are fables? That is a very slippery slope, dear.

Jesus alaihi salam cant do anything by himself. All the power for his miracles comes from God.
John 5:30
“I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.”

Indeed. God acts through Jesus and the Holy Ghost. Think of it like a hand with fingers. To make the metaphor more obvious, you'll have to chop off two fingers, so that you're left with just three. Three fingers, one hand.

[Phalanx]

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No unsaved trash has dared take my challenge. And I know you guys are reading this.

You, the typical unsaved trash, separates truth from falsehood by superficially glancing at a some clickbait headline, saying "well, it looks true" and then being loud and opinionated based on that.

So if a total non-expert on aircraft, physics, and in-flight snacks just scribbled together a blueprint for an airplane, and said "well, it looks like it will fly", would you volunteer to be on the maiden flight?

No, of course you wouldn't. When your skin is on the line, when your butt is likely to be the one falling from the sky in a rain of flaming jet fuel and small packets of mediocre pretzels, suddenly "it looks right" isn't good enough.

Things are complicated. Things are not only more complicated than you imagine, they are more complicated than most people CAN imagine. You need people who sweated bullets to learn the facts. You need obsessive nerds who spend sleepless blue-balled nights studying everything that can go wrong. You need people who say "it looks good enough, but WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY?"

As they say at Boeing, no nerds, no birds.

[MitzaLizalor]

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The Breath of God moves the dendrites of our minds as the wind moves the branches of the trees.

This probably comes out better in one of the original languages of The Bible. How would it read in Arabic? I've thought of learning classical Arabic. Is it very different from what's spoken in Arabia? When visiting I've only ever needed English but I've only been to 3 or 4 countries there. I found the roads quite good and the drivers polite.