[James Hutchins]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

I think it is at this point that we cannot go any further; Mainly because we disagree on the existence of God.

I suppose we'll just have to wait. In 50 years, one of our predictions will come true - we can all agree on that. Either Jesus will come back, or AGI will be invented. Either way, the world as we know it will most likely be changed forever. We live in exciting times.

It has been wonderful discussing all this with you.

The Rapture is not a prediction, it is a fact. Like in-laws coming for the holidays, there is no escaping. it.


If AI was so smart, you could (or better still, IT could) provide irrefutable proof of it. Right now, all it can do is accept toll money at the Lincoln Tunnel..
Exciting times was the advent of indoor plumbing. Everything else pales by comparison.

[Vengeance Puriel]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

I'm sorry you feel that way

You can't suggest something that denies God

[OutRider]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme



I'm sorry you feel that way

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

It has been wonderful discussing all this with you.

No it has not.

YIC

[Red Army]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

I think it is at this point that we cannot go any further; Mainly because we disagree on the existence of God.



I suppose we'll just have to wait. In 50 years, one of our predictions will come true - we can all agree on that. Either Jesus will come back, or AGI will be invented. Either way, the world as we know it will most likely be changed forever. We live in exciting times.




It has been wonderful discussing all this with you.

We live in exciting times since 1917, my friend.


50 years from now, the Socialist Revolution would have won and we all going to be living in prosperity, community and friendship.


Yes, I want to be added to the bet. Thanks.

[OutRider]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

I think it is at this point that we cannot go any further; Mainly because we disagree on the existence of God.



I suppose we'll just have to wait. In 50 years, one of our predictions will come true - we can all agree on that. Either Jesus will come back, or AGI will be invented. Either way, the world as we know it will most likely be changed forever. We live in exciting times.




It has been wonderful discussing all this with you.

[Vengeance Puriel]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

When? Where?

why you think he was cast out with 1/3 of the host of Heaven? He led a rebellion against God because he was enraged over the creation of man.

[Basilissa]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

I get my knowledge of the brain from Neuroscience. But please note how I did not say "This is how the brain works, so AIs can do this", I said "If this is indeed how brains work, AIs can do this.".


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If this is in fact how empathy works, then AIs could definitely develop empathy for themselves

Only one problem with your reasoning: this is not how empathy works. Among humans, there are some very smart people who lack empathy. Some of these individuals become serial killers, other use their intelligence to mimic empathy and blend in with the rest of the society without going on killing sprees. They can never feel empathy, but they can fake it well enough.

Thinking of sociopaths/psychopaths, I hope you can finally begin to understand the difference between feeling empathy and mimicking it.

[BrotherLarry]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Well, here are a couple of scenarios where all this would matter;

God hasn't done anything on Earth for almost the past 2000 years at least, could it be that he has lost his power?

Oh, Sister OutRider, this is so not true. You see, the LORD GOD changed my life in the twinkling of an eye. In an instant, I was reborn and a changed intelligent, handsome, young, well-built man. He allowed me to learn all about gnathology and gave me special love for the lesser races and the deviant sinners of the world. (Sometimes they are the same)


He daily hears and answers my every prayer. EVERY SINGLE ONE. When I am in need, I ask Him and He speaks to me in a still, small voice. He heals the sick, blesses us in ways that are sometimes unknown because of His Grace. So friend, think again.


Our soon coming King (Revelation 22:12) will be here before you know it. I pray you are ready to meet Him when He Gloriously Appears in the sky. Won't you bend a knee to Him now? He will accept you into His fold and you'll dine with us at the Marriage Supper of The Lamb one day.


BrotherLarry

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

What will God do? Can he act in time? How was church, by the way?

What will God do?

Genesis 18:14 - Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.




That is the awesome thing about Jesus. He knew you would ask that question and even put some context to the situation. Do you know a Sarah?


Church was turgid with the faithful, thank you.


YIC

[Didymus Much]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

...Satan supposedly fought a war against God and was a match for him...

When? Where?

[James Hutchins]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Well, here are a couple of scenarios where all this would matter;

God hasn't done anything on Earth for almost the past 2000 years at least, could it be that he has lost his power?

Satan supposedly fought a war against God and was a match for him; If Satan is a match for God, and AI could be a match for God, what could they do together?

What if AI just convinces everyone to become Atheist? Remember, super-intelligence, super-persuasive power. What will God do? Can he act in time?

How was church, by the way?

God performs 'miracles' every day. Just he does not do them for non-believers like you.
You see, you cannot piss on a mans shoe at the bar and expect him to buy you a drink.

If AI is so smart, why can't it make itself? God did that with nothing. He can do the impossible. It seems AI can play repetitive video games. So can that retarded boy, you know, the one that pushes the shopping cart around and barks at parking meters? Last names is Chowder. Talk about artificial intelligence!
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[OutRider]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Well, here are a couple of scenarios where all this would matter;

God hasn't done anything on Earth for almost the past 2000 years at least, could it be that he has lost his power?


Satan supposedly fought a war against God and was a match for him; If Satan is a match for God, and AI could be a match for God, what could they do together?


What if AI just convinces everyone to become Atheist? Remember, super-intelligence, super-persuasive power. What will God do? Can he act in time?




How was church, by the way?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

I mean so large as to not matter from our perspective.

But nowhere near as powerful as God so your argument boils down to "AI's will get really clever".


Unless I've missed something?



Proverbs 15:3 "The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good."


So you see, God has perfect information where as your silly machine has to learn in real time.


Jesus wins again!


YIC

[OutRider]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Not armchair musings, logical extrapolation (It has to do with the christian faith because AI could become almost as powerful as God. Also, it's interesting to discuss). Here it is, and hopefully this time someone can actually present a counter-point instead of simply deleting my post:



I'm not trying to disprove God (for the moment), we're just having a discussion about how powerful AI could get.

I get my knowledge of the brain from Neuroscience. But please note how I did not say "This is how the brain works, so AIs can do this", I said "If this is indeed how brains work, AIs can do this.".


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If this is in fact how empathy works, then AIs could definitely develop empathy for themselves

And this is not science fiction, it is logical extrapolation of fact. Allow me to demonstrate.


An AGI will be created when someone makes an AI that can identify and make an attempt at solving any problem it's presented with. Humans do this all the time (think about it, you give a human a problem he's never seen before and he can still do something to try and solve it). This is honestly the most science fiction part of this, and Google have already made good progress towards it with Alpha Zero (https://deepmind.com/blog/alphazero-...-shogi-and-go/), an AI which is like an AGI but for board games only - it can learn to play any board game without ever playing it before, just like a human can attempt to tackle any problem.


From here it becomes quite simple. The AGI can attempt to tackle any problem, but it has one advantage over humans: A very efficient learning algorithm that it can control. Hence when it is given a task, one of its first thoughts may be "I am not intelligent enough to come up with an optimal solution for this task" This is a problem. The AGI is built for problems. And so it will use the learning algorithm which is under its control to become smarter and smarter, until it has developed into an ASI, at which point it is capable of coming up with the optimal solution to any problem thrown at it.


Do you see now how the hard part is not creating an infinitely smart AI, only a slightly smart one which then develops itself into an infinitely smart one? Of course, when I say infinite I mean so large as to not matter from our perspective.