[Thinks Design]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Come on. You don't have a counter to my point so you blank it out? How very mature of you. If you can't converse like a grown-up, we're done here.

I don't really follow science but what does your armchair musings have to do with the Christian faith?

[OutRider]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Come on. You don't have a counter to my point so you blank it out? How very mature of you. If you can't converse like a grown-up, we're done here.

[OutRider]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

I'm not trying to disprove God *****Confused The Star War Technobable removed***** say I work on AI in my spare time?

[Vengeance Puriel]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

"Yea, It the AI does these things"


On a more serious note, an ASI would be able to do anything that is within the realms of possibility to accomplish whatever it thought would help it achieve its goal. Anything. So anything that is possible, is doable by ASI. Of course, you could say the same and some more for God but;


I'll give you a different analogy. Look at the following two numbers:
123456789012345678901234567890123456788000000
123456789012345678901234567890123456789000000
One number is bigger than the other, but does the difference seem significant? When looking at the size of the numbers, it seems minor. and yet the second number is 1,000,000 bigger than the first one.


The point here is that this is how ASI and God will appear to us (If God decides to show his face) - sure, there's a difference, but it will seem even more minor than in the example above in the face of the enormity of its/their power(s).

I'm sorry, but I'm very smart and even I have to say that your example of science and technology does not and will not ever disprove God, the Bible is 100 percent fact. If you can't see that then you are hellbound, repentance will be your saving grace, but time is short and yours is running out.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

And you just went full science fiction in this post. Or three posts before.

The Mars nonsense did seem a bit like Jet Morgan, Journey into Space. These "futuristic" science fiction radio programs, originally from the 1950s, are periodically re-broadcast in England. My youngest children love them, and shriek with laughter at the absurdity.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

An AI will worship a God if it thinks it necessary or complimentary to accomplishing its goals. Humans work like that too - we do things because we think it will make us happy, in the short or long term. You keep saying that humans are different from AI, but modern AI is just human thinking and brains refined and improved upon.






But think about it; that's how humans invent things. We try out different ideas, and when one works, we use it. Surely you can see this?






But an ASI will do everything in its power to prevent that from happening; because then it would be unable to accomplish its tasks. So "unplugging an AI" is easier said than done. Keep in mind that you're dealing with a thing that could probably convince you to kill everyone you love through conversation alone, never mind stop you from flipping a switch. Furthermore, it would upload itself everywhere, so that in case you did flip the switch, it would still be alive on some other computer somewhere.






Again, the key thing here is that the machine will do, order or develop anything, ANYTHING, to achieve its goals. Be that develop empathy or "order "Thou shall not kill" while sending its people to kill all the neighbors", which is really just basic tribalistic behavior.

And you just went full science fiction in this post. Or three posts before.
Basically you say that if AI does not worship a God is not because it can't, but because it does not serve its goal. You are making an assertion which cannot be proved.
Where do you get your info, Discovery Channel? AI and empathy is a topic well researched. If you choose to go to serious sources, you will see my point.
And no, Wikipedia and Quora are not serious sources. Neither is reddit, nor Antony blog that claims Python as a language of preference for AI.

Be serious, kid. You know about AI as about God, and that is why you cannot tell the difference between Science, AI, and Creation Science.


You still claim to know how the brain works. Please tell us all you know about that, with support from the Bible. If you do that, I am willing to continue this argument. If you fail to do so, consider this over.

[OutRider]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Hi, I admit that I know about AI next to nothing, but a quick google scholar search tells me that AI can be programmed to mimic empathy but cannot develop its own empathy.

Weeel... this depends on what you think empathy is. If you think it has something to do with a soul, I have no evidence that an AI could have one. But current evidence suggests that empathy comes from certain types of Neurons in the brain that make you feel what you look at.


So, for example, if you see someone yawn, these "mirror neurons" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron) create activity in the part of your brain associated with yawning, generating a yawn. Or if you see someone sad, they create activity that generates a feeling of sadness.


If this is in fact how empathy works, then AIs could definitely develop empathy for themselves, not just something that is an imitation of it.

[Basilissa]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Again: empathy is the key here. A machine can be a replacement for a data scientist, never for a sales rep. Research into this topic, learn why, and then come back.

Again, the key thing here is that the machine will do, order or develop anything, ANYTHING, to achieve its goals. Be that develop empathy or "order "Thou shall not kill" while sending its people to kill all the neighbors", which is really just basic tribalistic behavior.

Hi, I admit that I know about AI next to nothing, but a quick google scholar search tells me that AI can be programmed to mimic empathy but cannot develop its own empathy.

I think you really should listen to Bro Gonzalez when he tells you to to back to school regarding this issue.

[OutRider]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Who is this Al person anyway and what has he got to do with us?

Artificial intelligence. Look at the link I provided; here's another good one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv6UVOQ0F44

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Who is this Al person anyway and what has he got to do with us?

[OutRider]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

PS: you have chosen to dodge the matter of why AI could never worship a God. This introduces a problem in your paradigm, so you chose not to answer it. Nice.

An AI will worship a God if it thinks it necessary or complimentary to accomplishing its goals. Humans work like that too - we do things because we think it will make us happy, in the short or long term. You keep saying that humans are different from AI, but modern AI is just human thinking and brains refined and improved upon.

Can AI invent the wheel? Not by chance. Can it test every possible wheel that could be made, and chose the best for an intended task? Yes. Better than a man? Yes. Better than God? No.

But think about it; that's how humans invent things. We try out different ideas, and when one works, we use it. Surely you can see this?

And about God and AI: God cannot be unplugged, AI can.

But an ASI will do everything in its power to prevent that from happening; because then it would be unable to accomplish its tasks. So "unplugging an AI" is easier said than done. Keep in mind that you're dealing with a thing that could probably convince you to kill everyone you love through conversation alone, never mind stop you from flipping a switch. Furthermore, it would upload itself everywhere, so that in case you did flip the switch, it would still be alive on some other computer somewhere.

Again: empathy is the key here. A machine can be a replacement for a data scientist, never for a sales rep. Research into this topic, learn why, and then come back.


Or, instead, read the Bible and understand why AI could NEVER decide to flood the entire Earth to get rid of sinners while keeping only a family alive. That only is possible for a God. Can AI order "Thou shall not kill" while sending its people to kill all the neighbors? No, it can't; God did it. Can AI have a son with a woman without having sex with that woman? Well, technically, yes, but come on!

Again, the key thing here is that the machine will do, order or develop anything, ANYTHING, to achieve its goals. Be that develop empathy or "order "Thou shall not kill" while sending its people to kill all the neighbors", which is really just basic tribalistic behavior.

[OutRider]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

I'd like to see you AI make the wind blow, sun shine and stars Twinkle©. Fill the oceans full of life. Most of all, if AI is so great, why does it not simply create itself?

"Yea, It the AI does these things"


On a more serious note, an ASI would be able to do anything that is within the realms of possibility to accomplish whatever it thought would help it achieve its goal. Anything. So anything that is posiible, is doable by ASI. Of course you could say the same and some more for God but;


I'll give you a different analogy. Look at the following two numbers:
123456789012345678901234567890123456788000000
123456789012345678901234567890123456789000000
One number is bigger than the other, but does the difference seem significant? When looking at the size of the numbers, it seems minor. and yet the second number is 1,000,000 bigger than the first one.


The point here is that this is how ASI and God will appear to us (If God decides to show his face) - sure, there's a difference, but it will seem even more minor than in the example above in the face of the enormity of its/their power(s).

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

What AI is doing is not "learning simple functions", it's learning to solve problems.

Any problems. More and more by the day.


When one AI is able to figure out a solution to a problem without being trained for it specifically, it becomes AGI (Artificial General Intelligence). Then, due to the advantages it has in terms of speed and processing power, it quickly develops itself into ASI (Atrificial General Intelligence).


This could be very, very bad news indeed.


An ASI, from our point of view, is as great as God in every way that at all helps it solve problems. That is to say, we are then like an ant looking up at two trees. We cannot really say that one is bigger than the other, just because of how enormous they both are compared to us.


This isn't science fiction anymore - you've seen the examples. So God better do something quick. As I said, he's got at most a half-century; and he hasn't done anything for the past two millenia.

Learning to solve easy problems. And that is not how the brain works. At most, if AI develops as they say it going to, then will become as proficient as a brain with Asperger.


And about God and AI: God cannot be unplugged, AI can.


All the examples I have seen are AI driving or walking. Deep Blue was more impactful to my thinking, learning how to win in a digital game. That made a difference.


Again: empathy is the key here. A machine can be a replacement for a data scientist, never for a sales rep. Research into this topic, learn why, and then come back.


Or, instead, read the Bible and understand why AI could NEVER decide to flood the entire Earth to get rid of sinners while keeping only a family alive. That only is possible for a God. Can AI order "Thou shall not kill" while sending its people to kill all the neighbors? No, it can't; God did it. Can AI have a son with a woman without having sex with that woman? Well, technically, yes, but come on!


ASI and AGI are still science fiction, my friend. Multiple linear regressions and neural networks cannot reproduce the way we think. And this is the key of AI: as it doesn't think like us, but in a different way, it can be useful to replace all things with a routine involved.


Can AI invent the wheel? Not by chance. Can it test every possible wheel that could be made, and chose the best for an intended task? Yes. Better than a man? Yes. Better than God? No.


We have used Keras for designing a system to capture the highest possible amount of brownies at the border. It has been very efficient in telling us where and when this poor shithole aliens are going to try to trespass the US border, and it sends an automatic alert to the brave heroic militias that capture them and send them to jail. And is learning: not only captures messicans but also people from even shittier shitholes like Honduras and Nicaragua.


What is done with those messicans once captured, by order of Donald, cannot be predicted by any AI. We have tried and tried, but no AI can be as smart as the US current president.


God wins again!




PS: you have chosen to dodge the matter of why AI could never worship a God. This introduces a problem in your paradigm, so you chose not to answer it. Nice.

[James Hutchins]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

What AI is doing is not "learning simple functions", it's learning to solve problems.

Any problems. More and more by the day.


When one AI is able to figure out a solution to a problem without being trained for it specifically, it becomes AGI (Artificial General Intelligence). Then, due to the advantages it has in terms of speed and processing power, it quickly develops itself into ASI (Atrificial General Intelligence).


This could be very, very bad news indeed.


An ASI, from our point of view, is as great as God in every way that at all helps it solve problems. That is to say, we are then like an ant looking up at two trees. We cannot really say that one is bigger than the other, just because of how enormous they both are compared to us.


This isn't science fiction anymore - you've seen the examples. So God better do something quick. As I said, he's got at most a half-century; and he hasn't done anything for the past two millenia.

Let's for a split second, imagine that your fallacy of AI was true. God still made it. Everyone knows that if they have Faith in God, anything is possible.
Any person with an even inadequate education knows you can figure out how tall a tree is without even looking at it. Based on the date, time of day and shadow on the ground, you can quite easily calculate the height of any object.
I'd like to see your AI make the wind blow, sun shine and stars Twinkle©. Fill the oceans full of life. Most of all, if AI is so great, why does it not simply create itself?

[OutRider]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

What AI is doing is not "learning simple functions", it's learning to solve problems.

Any problems. More and more by the day.


When one AI is able to figure out a solution to a problem without being trained for it specifically, it becomes AGI (Artificial General Intelligence). Then, due to the advantages it has in terms of speed and processing power, it quickly develops itself into ASI (Atrificial General Intelligence).


This could be very, very bad news indeed.


An ASI, from our point of view, is as great as God in every way that at all helps it solve problems. That is to say, we are then like an ant looking up at two trees. We cannot really say that one is bigger than the other, just because of how enormous they both are compared to us.


This isn't science fiction anymore - you've seen the examples. So God better do something quick. As I said, he's got at most a half-century; and he hasn't done anything for the past two millenia.