[James Hutchins]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Do you remember the promise that we'd all be zooming around with jetpacks on our backs, Brother Hutchins? One of my earliest memories is of my dear father telling us about that nonsense, promulgated in his younger days. How we all laughed!

Oh yes, I remember the "jet packs". Stories of being able to fly like an Angel when in reality all they did was toss you in the air and burn off your legs. Add to that the hokum about colonies on Mars!

If God wanted us to fly, He would of given us wings. If He wanted us to live on Mars, he would of made little green Martians (like we would need them on top of the messican menace!).

AI is learning to walk and drive, which are simple functions. Playing an instrument or making art, also simple functions.


When AI learns the higher level functions, like worshipping a God (neither AI nor animals can do that, it's exclusive to the human kind) THERE we can talk about IA being independent.

AI is very capable when vending a pop or a bag of beef jerky. It is not however able to do what God can, that is make a can of pop or a bag of Beef Jerky.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Yes, but do you remember the promise that Jesus would come back only a few years after his death? Flying cars and jetpacks are science-fiction, not science, and those "predictions" are speculations by science-fiction authors. AIs are science.

AI is learning to walk and drive, which are simple functions. Playing an instrument or making art, also simple functions.


When AI learns the higher level functions, like worshipping a God (neither AI nor animals can do that, it's exclusive to the human kind) THERE we can talk about IA being independent.

[OutRider]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Yes, but do you remember the promise that Jesus would come back only a few years after his death? Flying cars and jetpacks are science-fiction, not science, and those "predictions" are speculations by science-fiction authors. AIs are science.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

I recall in the 1960's, we were all told we'd have flying cars by 1975.

Do you remember the promise that we'd all be zooming around with jetpacks on our backs, Brother Hutchins? One of my earliest memories is of my dear father telling us about that nonsense, promulgated in his younger days. How we all laughed!

[James Hutchins]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

That's actually a pretty good attempt at code. True Christians never fail to surprise me.

I think that's a false premise. What is there to sya that there must be a purpose?

All True Christians are very well educated. To be able to know God is real requires a keen analytical mind. For example, I have a double masters from Princeton. One is in Business/Finance (so I could earn money to give to God) and the other was in Organic Chemistry, to be able to prove that only God can create life. I have acquired numerous certifications and certificates throughout my life. The most important being secure in the knowledge that God has me on the short list for a spot in Heaven.


If there was no purpose, then people would not strive for self awareness.

I take that as a challenge. First off, as I said, give it a few decades and you'll probably be able to see it with your own eyes.

Friend, the rapture will happen way before 30 years and therefore AI will never come to be, based on that alone, forgeting the premise of AI is absurd.
I recall in the 1960's, we were all told we'd have flying cars by 1975. Al Gore told us the world was going to burst into flames by 2010. Ron Regan promised we'd be bombing in five minutes. None came to be. Neither will AI. AI will never be anything more than Root beer or sarsaparilla. Only the prediction that 'The Donald' would be president came true.

[OutRider]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Sorry I vanished. Caught up in work, you know how it is. Or maybe you don't.


Anyway, to anyone who's still here;

If God = True then End
Loop God = False until True
Purpose = 0
God =True
Purpose = 1
God = False
Loop

That's actually a pretty good attempt at code. True Christians never fail to surprise me.

There must be a purpose so therefore God must be.

I think that's a false premise. What is there to sya that there must be a purpose?

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Show us how AI is better than Jesus and we might consider it.

I take that as a challenge. First off, as I said, give it a few decades and you'll probably be able to see it with your own eyes.

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when I was a child, science magazines said we would be living on the moon by the year 2000. Do not believe all the hype.

True, but it looks like we are going to be living on Mars in 30 years or so, looking at what people like Elon Musk are doing, so the predictions were just 50 years early. Whereas Jesus's return has been predicted repeatedly ever since his death.


Secondly, Zuckerburg isn't even at the front of AI research. Google is. Here are some of their AIs who have learnt to walk;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn4nRCC9TwQ

and I assume you will have heard about how AIs beat the best human players in the world at Chess and Go.


The important thing here is that the AI isn't told how to walk or play chess - it's just given inputs (what it can "see") and possible outputs (what it can do to affect the situation) and told to figure it out by itself.


The goal in creating AGI is to create an AI that will be able to solve any problem. So you say "AI, do this" and the AI looks at the situation, runs through some possible situations in its head, and does a thing that will achieve the desired outcome. Given the examples above, I hope you can see how this isn't so far-fetched. And of course it goes without saying that it gets better at this every time it does it, and that it very quickly becomes millions of times better at completing any task than any human ever could be.


What you might find interesting is that, unless handled very very carefully, the first decision an AI is very likely to make is to destroy all humanity. Perhaps this is the second coming of Christ you speak of? Who knows.


I would love to hear your opinions on this. I won't be able to talk again today, but I will get back to you tomorrow (unless you really don't want me to). Also, if you read this far, thank you.

[James Hutchins]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

As a True Christian™, it breaks my heart when one of these lost souls comes here with their chest all puffed out declaring they 'just know it all' and when provided simple proofs, they slither away back down the rabbit from from where they came. Not clutching the firm, uplifting Bosoms of Christ©, being nourished with His Everlasting Love©.
As just a regular person, I imagine life would be simpler with no God. But with no God, there would be no purpose. There must be a purpose so therefore God must be.


If God = True then End
Loop God = False until True
Purpose = 0
God =True
Purpose = 1
God = False
Loop


It is not rocket science.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Nice one


Anyway, I'll make you a bet. I give AI a maximum of 50 years (Though it's probably more like 25) before it become AGI, and then ASI (Artificial Super Intelligence). A while before then, I intend to take part in the creation of an AI that will be able to convince you, and any other religious person to become atheist. If I do, you owe me 10 bucks. how 'bout it?

Had that insufferable college dropout twit Mark Zuckerberg ever finished college he might have learned a few things - like Gödel's incompleteness theorems, Tarski's undefinability theorem, Hilbert's Entscheidungsproblem, or in your case Turing's theorem about when to stop.

These days Mark Zuckerberg continues to make a pest of himself, faces numerous scandals, and is instructing his army of drones to write AI "algorithms" to protect us all from hate speech, mysogny, islamophobia, and racism.

I have no doubt at AI can produce Obama clones that can read from teleprompters, Hillary clones that can say "Russia", news anchors that can repeat "Putin" and "Impeachment", and Beto's than can skateboard (but not without accidents - just like those AI self driving cars).

We here at the Landover Baptist Church spend an inordinate amount of time banning trolls, and we've been looking at outsourcing this expensive task to India - but the dot heads have distinguished themselves as more concerned about mooselimbs, hindaloos, and sacred cows. Show us how AI is better than Jesus and we might consider it.

[Dana723]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

My opinion on AI: It was a pretty bad movie. First, the kid robot was creepy. Then there was a gay robot? I think he died though. Then the kid robot went underwater and found some aliens. It didn't make a lick of sense.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Nice one


Anyway, I'll make you a bet. I give AI a maximum of 50 years (Though it's probably more like 25) before it become AGI, and then ASI (Artificial Super Intelligence). A while before then, I intend to take part in the creation of an AI that will be able to convince you, and any other religious person to become atheist. If I do, you owe me 10 bucks. how 'bout it?

My friend, Jesus will be back long before your plans, and gambling is a sin. Your double plan to make me stumble has failed, again.


See you from Heaven!

PS: when I was a child, science magazines said we would be living on the moon by the year 2000. Do not believe all the hype.

[James Hutchins]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

1) There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding where it comes to AI - I don't blame you. The whole thing about modern AI, James, is that it can write its own code, it can improve, and most importantly, it now can come up with original thought in the same way humans do. Take all this from someone who writes these things.
So, Didymus, AIs and our brains are kind of like functions to return answers from a database, as long as the database is everything we know about the world. Unfortunately, these functions are never perfect, and often return false results. Hence, Religion.

2) Isn't saying that AI can give us Godly Powers blasphemy?


3) I just looked it up in an online bible, and apparently I have to speak against the holy spirit directly to "never be forgiven". So; The holy spirit that you believe in/describe is stupid, evil and despotic.

If AI can create, why does it need you?

[OutRider]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

If you are the AI code writer, I understand why AI might be starting to write code itself. It is its only chance!

Nice one


Anyway, I'll make you a bet. I give AI a maximum of 50 years (Though it's probably more like 25) before it become AGI, and then ASI (Artificial Super Intelligence). A while before then, I intend to take part in the creation of an AI that will be able to convince you, and any other religious person to become atheist. If I do, you owe me 10 bucks. how 'bout it?

[Basilissa]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Hey!

I'm here, again, in response to this (https://www.landoverbaptist.net/show...heme+challenge) challenge. In case the link gets automatically moderated, it is a challenge issued by Brother Gonzalez to Atheists. He asserts that we still kind of believe in God, and so wouldn't dare to blaspheme against him just in case he exists.

You really should read the challenge before attempting it - as clearly stated in the thread title and the opening post, the challenge is to commit blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.

First off, I believe in god to the extent you believe in garden gnomes

You've never seen a garden gnome? Well, I must say that means you live in a neighborhood where residents have good taste, but seriously, you never ventured out to the more questionable parts of the city where people put these ugly atrocities right where everyone can see them?

3) I just looked it up in an online bible, and apparently I have to speak against the holy spirit directly to "never be forgiven". So; The holy spirit that you believe in/describe is stupid, evil and despotic.

OK, I'll give you a "barely passing" grade on this one. It's certainly not blasphemy to say that God and the Holy Ghost are evil - otherwise, the Bible itself would be blasphemous:

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

I wouldn't call "despotic" a blasphemous statement, either. According to the dictionary, a despot is "a ruler with absolute power and authority... one exercising power tyrannically : a person exercising absolute power in a brutal or oppressive way" and these are also very fair descriptions of God.

However, calling the Holy Ghost stupid?!? OK, you crossed the line here, buddy, you crossed the single line which cannot be un-crossed. There's no point in praying for your soul anymore, you are doomed to suffer in Hell forever!

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

1) There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding where it comes to AI - I don't blame you. The whole thing about modern AI, James, is that it can write its own code, it can improve, and most importantly, it now can come up with original thought in the same way humans do. Take all this from someone who writes these things.
So, Didymus, AIs and our brains are kind of like functions to return answers from a database, as long as the database is everything we know about the world. Unfortunately, these functions are never perfect, and often return false results. Hence, Religion.

2) Isn't saying that AI can give us Godly Powers blasphemy?


3) I just looked it up in an online bible, and apparently I have to speak against the holy spirit directly to "never be forgiven". So; The holy spirit that you believe in/describe is stupid, evil and despotic.

1) No, you are not working with AI, otherwise, you would not say things like that. Where is the "empathy" on AI? And how that is important to the evolution of the human brain, and how it takes decisions? This, according to your science, not my Bible.


2) No, it is not Blasphemy. It is stupidity. Can you flood the entire word with AI because you don't like your creation? Can you make a entire Universe in 6 days? You are not even close to give human powers to a machine with AI, let alone give a human God's power.


3) So now you are using the final twist of "blaspheming" against the Holy Ghost "we believe in". And YOU KNOW that does not count. Because you are so smart, AI code writer, you cannot miss this because you are not smart enough.


If you are the AI code writer, I understand why AI might be starting to write code itself. It is its only chance!

[Isabella White]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

If by some miracle he does exist, and I for some reason die and appear at the gates of heaven, I will look god in the face and walk backwards into hell unless he can give me some really good explanations for why the hell he exists, and all the atrocities he's committed.

Dear Miss OutrageousRider: May I say right here and now, that the Almighty owes you NO explanation -- of any kind, whatsoever! Rather, you will find (like it or not) that it will be YOU who will be giving the answers during your unavoidable appointment on Judgment Day!

Hebrews 9:27 "And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment".

II Corinthians 5:10 " For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

Now, then, Dear, why don't you forget all of that other drivel you were going on about, and just give your life to the , and ask to forgive you from your disgusting, icky sins, and to accept as your and?

Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

Wouldn't you rather have a nice, mortgage-free mansion, on a gold-paved street, instead of having fire shooting out of your ears for eternity?

Revelation 21:8 "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

I shall remember you in my prayers, Dear. Remember: eternity is forever, and the fires of will be unbearably hot.

Sincerely,
Isabella W.