A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

[OutRider]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

1) There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding where it comes to AI - I don't blame you. The whole thing about modern AI, James, is that it can write its own code, it can improve, and most importantly, it now can come up with original thought in the same way humans do. Take all this from someone who writes these things.
So, Didymus, AIs and our brains are kind of like functions to return answers from a database, as long as the database is everything we know about the world. Unfortunately, these functions are never perfect, and often return false results. Hence, Religion.

2) Isn't saying that AI can give us Godly Powers blasphemy?


3) I just looked it up in an online bible, and apparently I have to speak against the holy spirit directly to "never be forgiven". So; The holy spirit that you believe in/describe is stupid, evil and despotic.

[James Hutchins]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Fine then - I hate god.

Though to me these words have about as much meaning as "I hate the tooth fairy". It's hard to hate something you don't believe exists, but I can hate every bit of god that does, such as this cult.


Also I went ahead and replied to the original post for you. And doesn't all the other stuff I said, like the stuff about AI, count as blasphemy?


Also, James, you can call AIs "nothing more than If statements, DB queries" but then so are our brains.

I am happy you know there is a God. I am glad you know He gave you Free Will and your choice what you do with it. It is a shame you refuse to choose wisely.


The difference from Man and AI is simple. Man can constantly reprogram his thinking. Not just learn from mistakes but conceptualize brand new thought. AI is incapable of original thought. It is not possible for AI to self program. It is also impossible for it to be 'self aware'. AI is little more than a photocell that turns a light on and off.


BTW, 'all the other stuff you said' just is a display of ignorance.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Fine then - I hate god.

Though to me these words have about as much meaning as "I hate the tooth fairy". It's hard to hate something you don't believe exists, but I can hate every bit of god that does, such as this cult.


Also I went ahead and replied to the original post for you. And doesn't all the other stuff I said, like the stuff about AI, count as blasphemy?


Also, James, you can call AIs "nothing more than If statements, DB queries" but then so are our brains.

No, we have souls. AI is not Blasphemy, is a label for some linear regressions working with IF statements, as it was told to you.


You keep repeating you hate God, admitting His existence, and trying to deny it next line. Do you know how lame it sounds?


Come on, you have nothing to lose. Open your heart to God and Jesus! There is a reason why you haven't still committed blasphemy against the Holy Ghost! Jesus is preventing you to do so! I don't think you are as stupid as to do not know how to do so.

[Didymus Much]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

...Also, James, you can call AIs "nothing more than If statements, DB queries" but then so are our brains.

A database inquiry can only return results contained in that database. If the concept of "God" was not included, where did it come from? Are you claiming that we're "hard-wired" to believe in God? Then why don't you?

[OutRider]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Fine then - I hate god.

Though to me these words have about as much meaning as "I hate the tooth fairy". It's hard to hate something you don't believe exists, but I can hate every bit of god that does, such as this cult.


Also I went ahead and replied to the original post for you. And doesn't all the other stuff I said, like the stuff about AI, count as blasphemy?


Also, James, you can call AIs "nothing more than If statements, DB queries" but then so are our brains.

[Brother Gonzalez]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

I haven't actually read beyond the first line of your post, but just wanted to ask: is there a reason why you decided to start a new thread for it, rather than reply on the original thread?

All the best, dear,
JL-V

As it appears, our newly acquired friend does.not know how to follow a simple guide. In this case, he just states he does not hate the Holy Ghost, and then goes on saying he would hate... God, if He exists.
So he has not committed blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. He did not dare.


And btw, the challenge was to go to the original thread and do the thing there.


It remains unchallenged.

[James Hutchins]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

Garden Gnomes are real, you can buy them on the Amazon. There is this thing on the interwebs called Yahoo!, you can find anything with it.


Artificial Intelligence is nothing more than If statements, DB queries. The 'Cloud' is nothing more than a data warehouse. Giving something a fancy name or hiding it behind a big series of convoluted paragraphs does not make it special. A Latte is just a coffee with too much cream.

God created everything. There is a difference. Smart people know.
Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

Deuteronomy 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Proverbs 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

2nd Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Habakkuk 2:2 And the LORD answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.

Jeremiah 36:2 Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee against Israel, and against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spake unto thee, from the days of Josiah, even unto this day.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
2nd Kings 10:10 Know now that there shall fall unto the earth nothing of the word of the LORD

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psalm 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Psalm 33:11 The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.

Psalm 100:5 For the LORD is good, his mercy is everlasting; and his truth endureth to all generations

Psalm 117:2 For his merciful kindness is great toward us: and the truth of the LORD endureth for ever. Praise ye the LORD.

Psalm 119:152 Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever.

Psalm 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Isaiah 40:8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

1st Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God which liveth and abideth forever.
1st Peter 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1st Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you

So God has promised to preserve His word - and we know He delivers the goods:

Romans 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

Isaiah 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.

John 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
John 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

John 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

1st Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1st Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1st Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
1st Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1st Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1st Corinthians 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1st Corinthians 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
1st Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1st Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

1st Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1st Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

1st Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1st Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1st Corinthians 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jude 1:17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jude 1:18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should w

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Re: A responce to a challenge to Blaspheme

I haven't actually read beyond the first line of your post, but just wanted to ask: is there a reason why you decided to start a new thread for it, rather than reply on the original thread?

All the best, dear,
JL-V

[OutRider]

Hey!

I'm here, again, in response to this (https://www.landoverbaptist.net/show...heme+challenge) challenge. In case the link gets automatically moderated, it is a challenge issued by Brother Gonzalez to Atheists. He asserts that we still kind of believe in God, and so wouldn't dare to blaspheme against him just in case he exists.


So here I am. First off, I believe in god to the extent you believe in garden gnomes - as such it is hard for me to say that I hate the holy spirit. But if god did exist, especially as you portray him, I would. If by some miracle he does exist, and I for some reason die and appear at the gates of heaven, I will look god in the face and walk backwards into hell unless he can give me some really good explanations for why the hell he exists, and all the atrocities he's committed. As you see I don't even believe him to be worthy of a capital letter at the start of anything referring to "Him" - I use it most of the time out of common courtesy.


If all this isn't blasphemy against the holy spirit, please tell me what is and I will gladly indulge you.


Also, while I'm here, what are your thoughts on Artificial Intelligence, or AI? I work on AI in my spare time and all current research shows that an AGI (Artificial General Intelligence), if created, would grant humans what would, from our current point of view, be Onmipotence, Omniscience, and potentially all the other Omnis too; and if that's not Blasphemy, I don't know what is.


Finally, I would like to suggest that the reason there aren't many Atheists here to answer your challenge is that very few delve deep enough to see it, and fewer still care enough to write a response as I have.


Best wishes to you all.